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Meh, new Fishers are only OK. My brother had a pair that were more mediocre club style speakers than audiophile quality.


I have a Image front speaker, and that was the driving force to make me get the new polks for the front channels. Image makes some amazing speakers, but you need a good clean sub system to go with them, and I still find them a bit lacking in the 300-1Khz range.
 

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It is not new. The Kenwood is from the 60's, and the fishers from the 80's.

The whole thing cost less than 20 dollars.
 
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Hmm damn, missing on mine for some reason. The other themes are there and everything, I guess it's just coz these are hacked drivers.
ROFL i used the drivers that came with the Card... And why hack your drivers?
what are you improving?
 

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Lookee what I picked up with my last paycheck :D Hooked up with Optical S/PDIF DTS Dolby. Music and my games sound sooooooooooo much better!!! Sweet!!! :)

http://img.techpowerup.org/090501/005.jpg

Sorry bout the cell phone quality pic....I guess next purchase will be a decent digital camera ;)
Nice. I was going to get a set of those, but opted for new memory/soundcard/monitor instead. I might have to pick a set of those up now though :p
 
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Nice. I was going to get a set of those, but opted for new memory/soundcard/monitor instead. I might have to pick a set of those up now though :p
Do so, you won't regret it!! :) I read in a review that when you space them out you lose the mids, so I was a little concerned but when I got them it was the first thing I did...my living room in my 1 bedroom apt. is my entertainment center hence why I bought them. I don't see any probs with the sound at all and what you lose in mids you can always "fix in the mix".

I always equalize out the mids anyway so I'm a happy camper with these babies!! :rockout:

Actually listening to some Satoshie Tomeii live@tokio right now and it's rockin'. I also listen to Metal and I don't need to adjust anything...though sometimes I need to lower the sub a bit when changing genres.

And I jump playing Crysis on Delta when they throw a grenade (no grenade warning on delta) :roll:
 
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It is not new. The Kenwood is from the 60's, and the fishers from the 80's.

The whole thing cost less than 20 dollars.
i put around $500 into re-vamping my Fishers (see post #100).. pretty much the only thing thats the ame is the cabinet, and even it had to be modified-- internal chamber for the mid and cut-out the existing 2" vent for a 3" one. re-done they are audiophile DIY quality, the original paper cone mid and tweet didn't really do much at all for the highend. funny, when i was taking out all the original stuff, i saw that the mid and tweet arent even independantly crossed over. i guess fisher just assumed their natural roll-off would suffice :laugh:
 

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ROFL i used the drivers that came with the Card... And why hack your drivers?
what are you improving?
I have an Audigy running X-Fi drivers. I didn't do it myself LOL.
 
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Well I just skimmed a bit..but I see some of you have built your own enclosures for speakers.

Well what about using car audio speakers for a home setup (custom boxes)...how you think they would stand up against mass produced items.??
 

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Well I just skimmed a bit..but I see some of you have built your own enclosures for speakers.

Well what about using car audio speakers for a home setup (custom boxes)...how you think they would stand up against mass produced items.??
could be done. the only problem is that 90% of all car speakers are optimized for open-baffle configurations. that and manufactureres rarely provide recommended box sizes for car speakers.

you could make some pretty decent dipole speakers though (which are infinite baffle), ive been wanting to try that with a set of good component car speakers...


*infinite baffle = free-air
 
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could be done. the only problem is that 90% of all car speakers are optimized for open-baffle configurations. that and manufactureres rarely provide recommended box sizes for car speakers.

you could make some pretty decent dipole speakers though (which are infinite baffle), ive been wanting to try that with a set of good component car speakers...


*infinite baffle = free-air
I understand what you are saying about the free-air config.I have a good setup that I would like to take out of my car (and dont want to sell - would not get what they are worth) and have always thought of putting them in the room somewhere.

Always thought a perspex baffle with just the speaker sitting naked would look cool...but would ruin the sound.
 

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I understand what you are saying about the free-air config.I have a good setup that I would like to take out of my car (and dont want to sell - would not get what they are worth) and have always thought of putting them in the room somewhere.

Always thought a perspex baffle with just the speaker sitting naked would look cool...but would ruin the sound.
i have seen designs on them before, but no clearcut way in designing them properly. essentially its just a baord with the speakers mounted in it. you could try and see how it works, speaker palcement will be crucial since the back-waves from the rear of the speakers will reflect around and cancel out with the front-generated sound waves.


safe solution would be a large sealed box. i.e. 1cuft for a 6" speaker lol. as the size of a sealed box increases, it appraoches the same air resistance of infinite-baffle.


infinte-baffle thread: http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/diy-speakers/1157-speaker-design.html
 

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what are you going to replace them with? Sennheisers? I would consider another 5.1 Headset yes the quality is never going to be good as high end Stereo Headphones they compromise quality because of the drivers but they are true 5.1 and offer better positioning they shine in gaming. guess I don't need to tell you this :p

Cyber Snipa Sonar 5.1, Tritton Audio Xtreme Series (AXPro, AX51, AXPro PC), eDimensional AudioFX 5.1, Saitek Cyborg 5.1, Turtle Beach (Earforce X-52, HPA2), Psyko 5.1, Zalman 5.1, Zykon H-3 5.1

think thats all the 5.1 Headsets.
Hey, thanks for that list. Yeah, I think another 5.1 set is in order, just for late night gaming.

How many of those have you listened to personally? Any recommendations?
 

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by the way does anybody here own the Zykon H-3 or any Tritton? curious.
I just bought (and going to return on Monday) the Tritton axPC pro. It is average at best. The mid and low range are great, but the sub hisses very badly. The Tritton cannot seem to produce distinctive high range, it all gets baffled. The mic quality is absolutely pathetic...to much noise it excepts, and it muffles my voice. Plus the mic boom is very fragile and the whole headset is hurts after 30mins of wearing them (too much pressure). Now the surround sound ability is very poor. I barely make out the direction of the sound. I have seen better results with Creative CMSS virtual surround sound. If you want a loud bass'y headset, the they are great, but not for the high audiophile user.

Hey, thanks for that list. Yeah, I think another 5.1 set is in order, just for late night gaming.

How many of those have you listened to personally? Any recommendations?
IMO, 5.1 and headsets don't mix well...Dolby or CMSS seems the way to go for headsets.
 
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Hey, thanks for that list. Yeah, I think another 5.1 set is in order, just for late night gaming.

How many of those have you listened to personally? Any recommendations?
Turtle Beach HPA2's FTW! :rockout:

Mine sound very good, 5.1 isn't the most accurate, but it does work very well in gaming. Has 4 drivers per cup, built in amp with level controls and master volume, comes with good quality splitters so you can run 2x 5.1 setups. The sound is pretty solid, more bass than I need, the sub is a tad muddy, but still does the job quite well. The mids and hi's are pretty damn clear, this headset sounds good and goes quite loud. The detatchable mic works very well too and is adjustable, top notch. I've had some experience with a couple 5.1 sets, the HPA2's were the best I'd ever used. I thought the Razer's you had and hated were similar to the HPA2's though...might wanna check, and if they are, you may not wanna get the same product twice, especially if you disliked em. I love my HPA2's, I'd be seriously bummed and have a tough time gaming, watching movies or listening to music w/o em.

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I just bought (and going to return on Monday) the Tritton axPC pro. It is average at best. The mid and low range are great, but the sub hisses very badly. The Tritton cannot seem to produce distinctive high range, it all gets baffled. The mic quality is absolutely pathetic...to much noise it excepts, and it muffles my voice. Plus the mic boom is very fragile and the whole headset is hurts after 30mins of wearing them (too much pressure). Now the surround sound ability is very poor. I barely make out the direction of the sound. I have seen better results with Creative CMSS virtual surround sound. If you want a loud bass'y headset, the they are great, but not for the high audiophile user.



IMO, 5.1 and headsets don't mix well...Dolby or CMSS seems the way to go for headsets.
Dolby and CMSS are ass on 2 channel headphones. The positional accuracy on a 5.1 set is infinitely better than a cheesy effect. Which is sad, because the positional accuracy of 5.1 headsets aren't all that great, especially compared to a proper 5.1 speaker setup.

Turtle Beach HPA2's FTW! :rockout:

Mine sound very good, 5.1 isn't the most accurate, but it does work very well in gaming. Has 4 drivers per cup, built in amp with level controls and master volume, comes with good quality splitters so you can run 2x 5.1 setups. The sound is pretty solid, more bass than I need, the sub is a tad muddy, but still does the job quite well. The mids and hi's are pretty damn clear, this headset sounds good and goes quite loud. The detatchable mic works very well too and is adjustable, top notch. I've had some experience with a couple 5.1 sets, the HPA2's were the best I'd ever used. I thought the Razer's you had and hated were similar to the HPA2's though...might wanna check, and if they are, you may not wanna get the same product twice, especially if you disliked em. I love my HPA2's, I'd be seriously bummed and have a tough time gaming, watching movies or listening to music w/o em.

:toast:
The big question, how is the build quality? The Razers are clearly made of chintzy and cheap plastic. You could tell right away that these headphones weren't worth $30, let alone the $80 I paid for them.
 

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Dolby and CMSS are ass on 2 channel headphones. The positional accuracy on a 5.1 set is infinitely better than a cheesy effect. Which is sad, because the positional accuracy of 5.1 headsets aren't all that great, especially compared to a proper 5.1 speaker setup.
Why bother paying the premium then...4 drivers in a single cup is no better that a single driver. My basic sennheiser's hd202 with CMSS is yielding better positional effects than a 5.1 headset. There is still going to be a cheesy virtual surround sound on both of them to compensate. Only way to get a true 5.1 sound is the have proper spaced out location for each speakers...something that a 5.1 headphone can never do on its own.

That is my 2 cents.
 
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My set has been very sturdy with a lot of use. Overall I was content with paying 55 bucks for my set and I felt like I got what I paid for. Dunno if that helps or not. :D

The headset is pretty beefy, but very comfy, thick ear cup padding, the control module is solid, the plugs are decent, the cable is lengthy and is pretty thick. Like I said I'm happy with them, especially with what I paid for them. I can't vouche vs. the Razer's cause' I've never used the razers or even seen more than a picture of a set of them.

:toast:

edit: I do gotta agree cmss on 2 channel isn't anything special, my TB's blow that emulation out of the water in the end. They might not be senn's, but they're damn good! :D
 

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Why bother paying the premium then...4 drivers in a single cup is no better that a single driver. My basic sennheiser's hd202 with CMSS is yielding better positional effects than a 5.1 headset. There is still going to be a cheesy virtual surround sound on both of them to compensate. Only way to get a true 5.1 sound is the have proper spaced out location for each speakers...something that a 5.1 headphone can never do on its own.

That is my 2 cents.
I have tried both, and the 5.1 headphones do, in fact, offer far superior positional accuracy than ANY virtual surround on a 2 channel headphone. I've tried all of the available virtual options, and even the crappy Razers outperformed them when it came to positional characteristics. (Even HRTF) Far from perfect, I agree, but better than 2 channel by leaps and bounds.
 

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I have tried both, and the 5.1 headphones do, in fact, offer far superior positional accuracy than ANY virtual surround on a 2 channel headphone. I've tried all of the available virtual options, and even the crappy Razers outperformed them when it came to positional characteristics. (Even HRTF) Far from perfect, I agree, but better than 2 channel by leaps and bounds.
I guess these Titton that I bought are just shitty 5.1 headsets...I cannot tell shit in positioning when play TF2 today. :mad:
 

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I guess these Titton that I bought are just shitty 5.1 headsets...I cannot tell shit in positioning when play TF2 today. :mad:
Well, that tells me to avoid that headset. lol. If they are worse than the Razers, it's a no-go for sure. :roll:
 
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your basically paying for the positioning in gaming I would never buy a 5.1 headset for music or movies. did you play with the drivers of the Tritton? the Cyber Snipa Sonar 5.1 has horrible presets in fact some reviews even mark this as a con it sounds like my Sonars have superior bass to the Tritton you can buy them off their website they are $76 USD try reading some reviews they are very underrated.

Psyko's 5.1 look interesting, $299 USD not out yet but you can pre-order not that any of us will be spending that much on 5.1 cans I really want to look at the Zykons and Turtle Beach.
 
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your basically paying for the positioning in gaming I would never buy a 5.1 headset for music or movies. did you play with the drivers of the Tritton? the Cyber Snipa Sonar 5.1 has horrible presets in fact some reviews even mark this as a con it sounds like my Sonars have superior bass to the Tritton only problem is I don't know any stores in America that sell them they are even hard to find in Canada and Europe.
I spent 3 hours on the Tritton control panel. Not many options, just select how many channels the input feed has (ch2,5,6,8) and select surround sound for output. Then I go to TF2, and 7.1 was enable automatically. But the positioning was minimal to non-existent. CMSS, though cheesy virtual surround effects, is still very distinctive in positioning. If your live in the west coast, Fry's Electronics started to sell Tritton.
 
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yeah I edited my post. I wasn't talking about buying the Trittons in another thread I mentioned I wanted to try them. i'm trying to get a census on whats the best they all have pros and cons to build quality and performance my Sonars seem to be favoring right now and they are USB lol.
 
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Why bother paying the premium then...4 drivers in a single cup is no better that a single driver. My basic sennheiser's hd202 with CMSS is yielding better positional effects than a 5.1 headset. There is still going to be a cheesy virtual surround sound on both of them to compensate. Only way to get a true 5.1 sound is the have proper spaced out location for each speakers...something that a 5.1 headphone can never do on its own.

That is my 2 cents.
I would like to add that while headphones might put you in the centre of the action (in your head) surround sound is incomparable.....PERIOD.

Since I set up my Z-5500s I am in awe.

Someone please tell me how you can hear someone sneaking up on you when you have headphones on.
 
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