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Wile E · Mar 6, 2009

OzzmanFloyd120 said:
I know this, but the 940 and upcoming 945 both support DDR2 still. If he gets a board that supports DDR2 and flashes the bios down the road he'll be all set to use DDR3.

You can't use DDR3 in a DDR2 board. It's not pin compatible.

ShadowFold · Mar 6, 2009

Oh he has a 940 listed :eek:

You need to get a Phenom II 720 BE if you are gonna do DDR3 man.
The 940 only works with DDR2.

OzzmanFloyd120 · Mar 6, 2009

Bokteelo said:
Isn't flashing the bios extremely dangerous?

Only if you're using a bios that some dude made himself in his parent's basement. If you download the official bios updates from your board's manufacturer you'll be fine as long as you follow the instructions.

OzzmanFloyd120 · Mar 6, 2009

Wile E said:
You can't use DDR3 in a DDR2 board. It's not pin compatible.

Really? I thought both were 240pin?

Sorry for my ignorance in the matter [embarrased]

RevengE · Mar 6, 2009

Anyone know if they are releasing an update for an M3a79-t for DDR3? Edit: nevermind I though by ozzmans posts they were.

ShadowFold · Mar 6, 2009

The M3A79-T isn't physically capable of doing DDR3......

Bokteelo · Mar 6, 2009

ShadowFold said:
Oh he has a 940 listed You need to get a Phenom II 720 BE if you are gonna do DDR3 man.
The 940 only works with DDR2.

Okay... HUH???

So I need to downgrade my CPU to get it to work with an AM3? If that's the case, can I go AM3 w/ the Q9550? Or do I have to have a P45.

(Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just throwing out terms out of memory.)

OzzmanFloyd120 · Mar 6, 2009

Bokteelo said:
Okay... HUH???

So I need to downgrade my CPU to get it to work with an AM3?

AMD is REALLY new to the DDR3 game (like they just released the technology three weeks ago) and not all of their CPUs are capable of it.
I still think you're better off with some low-latency PC8500 and the 940BE.

Bokteelo · Mar 6, 2009

PSU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005
HD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319
Cooling - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233023&Tpk=Xigmatek HDT-S1284EE
CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471
MB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131368
RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184

So what MB and RAM do I go for now?! D:

Edit: So do you guys think to me waiting a month, maybe two, for AMD to release DDR3 compatible CPUs?

ShadowFold · Mar 6, 2009

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131368
+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184

RevengE · Mar 6, 2009

ShadowFold said:
The M3A79-T isn't physically capable of doing DDR3......

I edited and said nevermind.

Bokteelo · Mar 6, 2009

ShadowFold said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131368
+
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184

Does that board support AM2+ and AM3? If so, should I go for cheap DDR2 RAM right now and upgrade to DDR3 when they're even cheaper, or should I just go for DDR3 RAM right now?

And how does that mboard OC? Edit: Mobos don't OC... right? Don't know what I think thinking!

Drives...:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136284
Or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319

They're both just ONE piece of hardware right?

I was just looking at LCDs, are integrated speakers recommended?

RevengE · Mar 6, 2009

Just get ddr2 for now.

Bokteelo · Mar 6, 2009

Cool, so what I've got up there is fine. I just need a case and an LCD. (Speakers if the LCD doesn't have them integrated.)

What else am I missing on my rig? I just got my dad's credit card! =D

zithe · Mar 6, 2009

OzzmanFloyd120 said:
AMD is REALLY new to the DDR3 game (like they just released the technology three weeks ago) and not all of their CPUs are capable of it.
I still think you're better off with some low-latency PC8500 and the 940BE.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231211

ShadowFold · Mar 6, 2009

The Xigmatek isn't going to fit with those tall ram sinks. The corsairs I linked do 1066mhz so.

Wile E · Mar 6, 2009

I still think if you are going to go DDR2, it should be a Q9550 and a P45 board for a little extra. It will outperform the Phenom when both are OCed.

Bokteelo · Mar 6, 2009

Wile E said:
I still think if you are going to go DDR2, it should be a Q9550 and a P45 board for a little extra. It will outperform the Phenom when both are OCed.

Does the P45 support crossfire? I might add an extra HD 4870 in the near future.

ShadowFold said:
The Xigmatek isn't going to fit with those tall ram sinks. The corsairs I linked do 1066mhz so.

Okay so what exactly do I need to change? D:

I was just looking at LCDs and speakers, the speakers can be cheap as hell I don't care, but I want a 24'' wide screen LCD. I found some for 200-300, but I'm not sure which are better.

As for the case, I'll pay up to 60-70 for a good looking case with decent airflow. (Toss in some preinstalled fans if possible!)

RevengE · Mar 6, 2009

Any LCD with 1920x1200 res with a 2ms response time..examples of companys:Acer,viewsonic,asus.

zithe · Mar 6, 2009

Those sticks I suggested should be really good for OCing.

Decent monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009125

Bokteelo · Mar 6, 2009

Wile E · Mar 6, 2009

Bokteelo said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236033&Tpk=LCD 24'' Webcam

What about ^ for a monitor? It has a build in webcam!!! (The only thing bad about it is the contrast ratio, I've seen 8000:1, 5000:1, 3000:1, but this one is 1000:1 ASCR 3000:1)

What does ASCR 3000:1 mean?

That's the dynamic contrast. Manafacturers fudge contrast numbers. Most of the monitors in your price range likely have the same few panels. Manufacturers just add their own electronics and casings.

And 2ms doesn't matter either. It's also not a standardized measurement. You'd be hard pressed to see the difference between a 5ms and 2ms panel from decent manufacturers.

Both monitors you listed likely use the same panels, just get the one you prefer.

For shits and giggles, here's the one I'm thinking of buying. It has a top of the line H-IPS panel in it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824176104

And here is some info on the different types of LCD panels. (The ones you are considering are TN-Film, btw) http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/panel_technologies.htm

Bokteelo said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236033&Tpk=LCD 24'' Webcam

What about ^ for a monitor? It has a build in webcam!!! (The only thing bad about it is the contrast ratio, I've seen 8000:1, 5000:1, 3000:1, but this one is 1000:1 ASCR 3000:1)

What does ASCR 3000:1 mean?

Well I've narrowed it down to:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009125
And
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236033&Tpk=LCD 24'' Webcam

Wile E I took your advice and went with the Q9550. (As long as it supports crossfire.) What I have in the cart:

Speakers - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836113015
LCD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009125
HD - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136319
PSU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005
RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145184
MB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128358
CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115041
Fan - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233023
Case - ???

ShadowFold stated: The Xigmatek isn't going to fit with those tall ram sinks. The corsairs I linked do 1066mhz so.

Any solution?

The Xigmatek fits in my AMD rig with heatspreaders that tall, and my mobo has the ram closer to the cpu than most I've seen. You should be fine.

Bokteelo · Mar 6, 2009

Wile E said:
That's the dynamic contrast. Manafacturers fudge contrast numbers. Most of the monitors in your price range likely have the same few panels. Manufacturers just add their own electronics and casings.

And 2ms doesn't matter either. It's also not a standardized measurement. You'd be hard pressed to see the difference between a 5ms and 2ms panel from decent manufacturers.

The Xigmatek fits in my AMD rig with heatspreaders that tall, and my mobo has the ram closer to the cpu than most I've seen. You should be fine.

I'm not sure which LCD to go for... the webcam is a real seller to me, but it might not be as good since it won't be adjustable.

Do you have a cool looking case you can recommend? I've been told to buy an Antec Lansing, and I've seen some good looking Xions; but I'm not too sure. I want one that has a good airflow, preinstalled fans if possible!

Wile E · Mar 6, 2009

Bokteelo said:
I'm not sure which LCD to go for... the webcam is a real seller to me, but it might not be as good since it won't be adjustable.

Do you have a cool looking case you can recommend? I've been told to buy an Antec Lansing, and I've seen some good looking Xions; but I'm not too sure. I want one that has a good airflow, preinstalled fans if possible!

See my edit in my above post. There's a link to some good info on the different types of LCDs. Good read.

And how much do you want to spend on a case?

RevengE · Mar 6, 2009

Bokteelo said:
I'm not sure which LCD to go for... the webcam is a real seller to me, but it might not be as good since it won't be adjustable.

Do you have a cool looking case you can recommend? I've been told to buy an Antec Lansing, and I've seen some good looking Xions; but I'm not too sure. I want one that has a good airflow, preinstalled fans if possible!

Look at coolermasters.

System Name	The ClusterF**k
Processor	980X @ 4Ghz
Motherboard	Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5 BIOS F12
Cooling	MCR-320, DDC-1 pump w/Bitspower res top (1/2" fittings), Koolance CPU-360
Memory	3x2GB Mushkin Redlines 1600Mhz 6-8-6-24 1T
Video Card(s)	Evga GTX 580
Storage	Corsair Neutron GTX 240GB, 2xSeagate 320GB RAID0; 2xSeagate 3TB; 2xSamsung 2TB; Samsung 1.5TB
Display(s)	HP LP2475w 24" 1920x1200 IPS
Case	Technofront Bench Station
Audio Device(s)	Auzentech X-Fi Forte into Onkyo SR606 and Polk TSi200's + RM6750
Power Supply	ENERMAX Galaxy EVO EGX1250EWT 1250W
Software	Win7 Ultimate N x64, OSX 10.8.4

System Name	The ShadowFold Draconis (Ordering soon)
Processor	AMD Phenom II X6 1055T 2.8ghz
Motherboard	ASUS M4A87TD EVO AM3 AMD 870
Cooling	Stock
Memory	Kingston ValueRAM 4GB DDR3-1333
Video Card(s)	XFX ATi Radeon HD 5850 1gb
Storage	Western Digital 640gb
Display(s)	Acer 21.5" 5ms Full HD 1920x1080P
Case	Antec Nine-Hundred
Audio Device(s)	Onboard + Creative "Fatal1ty" Headset
Power Supply	Antec Earthwatts 650w
Software	Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
Benchmark Scores	-❶-❸-❸-❼-

System Name	The Netbook
Processor	Intel Atom n270
Memory	1GB DDR2 533mhz
Video Card(s)	Intel G945
Storage	250GB
Display(s)	10.1" LCD
Software	Microsoft Windows 7 Starter x86

System Name	The Netbook
Processor	Intel Atom n270
Memory	1GB DDR2 533mhz
Video Card(s)	Intel G945
Storage	250GB
Display(s)	10.1" LCD
Software	Microsoft Windows 7 Starter x86

System Name	JIM LAHEY
Processor	CORE I9 9900K
Motherboard	ASROCK Z390 TAICHI
Cooling	COUGAR HELOR 360 AIO
Memory	32GB TRIDENT Z RGB DDR4-3200
Video Card(s)	EVGA 3080Ti FTW3 ULTRA
Storage	SAMSUNG EVO 1TB
Display(s)	ASUS ROG STRIX 4K UG27UQR
Case	THERMALTAKE VIEW 37
Audio Device(s)	STEELSERIES ARCTIS 7 WIRELESS
Power Supply	EVGA SUPERNOVA G+ 1000
Mouse	STEELSERIES RIVAL 600
Keyboard	STEELSERIES APEX 7 TKL
Software	WINDOWS 10 ENTERPRISE
Benchmark Scores	WUT

System Name	Is rly gud
Processor	Intel Core i5 11600kf
Motherboard	Asus Prime Z590-V ATX
Memory	(48GB total) 16GB (2x8GB) Crucial Ballistix Sport 3000MHZ and G. Skill Ripjaws 32GB 3200MHZ (2x16GB)
Video Card(s)	GIGABYTE RTX 3060 12GB
Storage	1TB MSI Spatium M370 NVMe M.2 SSD
Display(s)	32" Viewsonic 4k, 34" Samsung 3440x1440, XP Pen Creative Pro 13.3
Power Supply	EVGA 600 80+ Gold
VR HMD	Meta Quest Pro, Tundra Trackers
Software	Windows 10

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