Lung cell images show how intense a coronavirus infection can be

[mtcn77]

@pcmasterrace, Lovely snarks. Let me be your guide;

1. Masks do stop the spread, look to the third point as to why,
2. You cannot wash your hand and be done with it, you have to use 'soap' as well, this is an enveloped virus, solitary water is effective only against unenveloped virus types,
3. It is airborne up to 2 meters, by wearing the mask, we change the air jets, the mask turbulence makes air go swirly and slows its air velocity.

 

[claes]

This thread is embarrassing

 

[mtcn77]

Okay, I said it before this virus has a quarter the error rate that HIV has. We have to put this into perspective;
HIV has 16 kilobases(16,000) while this virus(30,000) is right at the peak of rna virus genomes(32,000 max). So, having a single exonuclease can do wonders for its inheritance, you see: twice more complex genome with a quarter error rate is 8 times better transcription fidelity.
Actual tests indicate it can repair 90% of the errors, it really messes with the drugs used against it - it heals them even faster than its own errors.

 

[pcmasterrace]

@pcmasterrace, Lovely snarks. Let me be your guide;

1. Masks do stop the spread, look to the third point as to why,
2. You cannot wash your hand and be done with it, you have to use 'soap' as well, this is an enveloped virus, solitary water is effective only against unenveloped virus types,
3. It is airborne up to 2 meters, by wearing the mask, we change the air jets, the mask turbulence makes air go swirly and slows its air velocity.

They work in theory as long as they are of medical grade N95 or above, they work as long as everyone wearing them aren't making them useless by constantly adjusting them with their hands, touching their face, touching things in shops, on transport, other people etc and then they become useless, which is most of the time.... Even N95 masks become useless when you factor these things in, I see people messing with their face masks and touching things and then themselves on multiple occasions during a half hour shopping trip, not too mention most people are wearing little more than a cotton t-shirt over their face I'd rather not wear a cotton T-shirt over my mouth that I'm breathing in pathogens over a long period of time, when I am going to come into contact with many contaminated surfaces throughout a normal day, touching my face, touching surfaces, adjusting my mask etc,I'd rather trust good old mother nature who has been around for billions of years.

Hand washing should be made universal, it's basic hygiene, this has been proven for about 200 years when medical science revealed that soap, water, disinfectant etc were the key to fighting infection and performing successful surgery without dying from gangrene and blood diseases.

And of course the golden 2 metre rule, that get's thrown out of the window the minute you set foot in a supermarket or a bus, tube, workplace etc surely if the velocity was to change then the same particles might not be taking the same path but are very much still present and will indeed take another path depending on airflow and size of the space they are present in, other people nearby, surfaces etc?

 

[mtcn77]

I'd rather trust good old mother nature who has been around for billions of years.

Yeah, it is the same mother nature that has sprung this live petri dish experiment.
People get infected thinking there is a solid medium, if infection counts remain stagnant. That is just not the case, at each spread, the virus is getting more adapted to the host immunity. This is what a vaccine development is, in its inverse.

 

[pcmasterrace]

Yeah, it is the same mother nature that has sprung this live petri dish experiment.
People get infected thinking there is a solid medium, if infection counts remain stagnant. That is just not the case, at each spread, the virus is getting more adapted to the host immunity. This is what a vaccine development is, in its inverse.

Fair enough, I'd rather take my chances as a 40 year old than want to risk it with a vaccine that has been created, tested, trialled and rolled out within 6 months wish me well

 

[mtcn77]

they work as long as everyone wearing them aren't making them useless by constantly adjusting them with their hands, touching their face, touching things in shops,

We should place soap+water dispenser stands, disinfectants work in 2 minutes general while soap and water is effective at 20 seconds.
You can touch objects, but you have to wash your hands with soap before touching your face.
Masks cannot be touched without altering their mesh structure. They have to be disposed at every 5 hours, or after 8 hours at a total of 5 intermittent uses.

Fair enough, I'd rather take my chances as a 40 year old than want to risk it with a vaccine that has been created, tested, trialled and rolled out within 6 months wish me well

If you are scared of vaccinating, I can help.

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[pcmasterrace]

We should place soap+water dispenser stands, disinfectants work in 2 minutes general while soap and water is effective at 20 seconds.
You can touch objects, but you have to wash your hands with soap before touching your face.
Masks cannot be touched without altering their mesh structure. They have to be disposed at every 5 hours, or after 8 hours at a total of 5 intermittent uses.


If you are scared of vaccinating, I can help.

Corona vaccination in 2021 be like - Funny

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I'm not scared, just a gambler and have wayed up my chances, but I will happily donate my vaccine to someone less fortunate but more gullible

 

[yotano211]

Shaming is not my goal, only establishing qualifications.

To be clear, I'm as unqualified as Joes hotdog shack on this matter, and there is no shame in recognizing that. That's why I pinged elsewhere.



Autism at work; don't block anyone. Confuses me.

Autism is a hell of a drug.
I'm partial Autistic aswell, my son has aspergers. But learning his condition has taught me alot about myself and explained lot of things when growing up.

 

[95Viper]

Let's keep the discussion on topic, please.

Thank You
And, have a safe day.

 

[HTC]

A good analogy is making photocopies only, instead of copying from THE SAME original document, you make a copy which then becomes "the original" for the next copy ... and so on and so forth. Continue to do this for long enough and you'll end up with something that has noticeable differences VS the "1st original".

This is roughly what a mutation is.

 

[lexluthermiester]

you cannot regenerate them once disease has remissed.

That's not entirely true. Individual cells and cells groups will regenerated and be repaired. However, the lungs as a whole organ will not be regenerated if removed or entirely destroyed.

It'll be interesting to see what effects COVID19 will have on the cell repair process.

 

[the54thvoid]

@micropage7 - Your thread has been hijacked by an altogether different debate. At this point, I don't see it bearing any fruit other than poisoned apples. I'm closing it but if you wish it to be reopened, please PM me. As to everybody else - the point of a thread is to discuss the original post. This is no longer happening, in fact the OP is more of an informative pic on what the virus looks like attached to the cilia of a cell found within the lungs.

Thanks.