Major Ryzen 3600 upgrade

[moproblems99]

Going with the Asus ROG Strix X570-F Gaming -300€ is the better deal. I would stick to the x570 chipset with Ryzen 3000 series over the x470 IMO.

I have one of each and I don't really see an advantage.

 

[Super XP]

I have one of each and I don't really see an advantage.

New newer chipset that supports PCIe4 versus 3 is an advantage in itself.

 

[moproblems99]

New newer chipset that supports PCIe4 versus 3 is an advantage in itself.

Minimal if at all. GPUs aren't exactly saturating them. And the advantage for SSDs is basically realized at SATA3. Sure, you get a boost but only in sustained writes of large files where the filesystem overhead isn't the bottleneck.

Don't get me wrong, you may as well get X570, but I wouldn't call it a disadvantage to get X470 or even B450.

 

[djisas]

Minimal if at all. GPUs aren't exactly saturating them. And the advantage for SSDs is basically realized at SATA3. Sure, you get a boost but only in sustained writes of large files where the filesystem overhead isn't the bottleneck.

Don't get me wrong, you may as well get X570, but I wouldn't call it a disadvantage to get X470 or even B450.

I think it depends on price and features, if the same model on both chipset has a 50€ difference, I think the extra 50 may be worth the extra features, in my case all the extra sata goodness is a plus, as for pcie 4, maybe in 2 years I can make use of it with a brand spanking new graphic card, or maybe not, we will see...

Edit: A couple things, on device manager there are a few unknown pci devices, i have no clue what they are, i have installed all the lan and audio drivers, only thing i think is missing is rgb software, any idea what those are?
I have set my pc to go into sleep when idle for to long, like i had on my old system, thing is, keyboard or mouse wont wake it up, only power button, it's not set up to hibernate, but to sleep mode. I have checked on setting and both KB and mouse are allowed to wake system up...

 

[djisas]

Alright, finally at my 3rd attempt got the rams in a decent spot, 3600CL16.
This is all a learning experience and i figure my rams aren't particularly great, but they were the cost of decent 3600CL18 kits, so in the end that G.Skill trident Z 3600CL18 on sale for 99€ might have been the better choice, but then again, would have to mess with timings to get better performance

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Something worth mentioning, X570 fan is stupidly annoying at high rpm, but you can tame it on the bios or with ASRock tuning utility, I have set mine idle up to 60ºC.
For now i have to deal with a stupid cooler master 80mm that I think it's running at 100% probably not properly connected to the fan controller...

 

[TheLostSwede]

Alright, finally at my 3rd attempt got the rams in a decent spot, 3600CL16.
This is all a learning experience and i figure my rams aren't particularly great, but they were the cost of decent 3600CL18 kits, so in the end that G.Skill trident Z 3600CL18 on sale for 99€ might have been the better choice, but then again, would have to mess with timings to get better performanceView attachment 153811.

Something worth mentioning, X570 fan is stupidly annoying at high rpm, but you can tame it on the bios or with ASRock tuning utility, I have set mine idle up to 60ºC.
For now i have to deal with a stupid cooler master 80mm that I think it's running at 100% probably not properly connected to the fan controller...

Your tRFC seems very high, I would try and tune that down. Is that SAFE or FAST settings?
If it's SAFE, try FAST, as it'll make a big difference.
You should also be able to tune the tRC setting down a bit.
This is why I'm running on my Hynix CJR modules.

Ryzen DRAM Calculator by 1usmus

Is there anyone here who could give a novice a hand? This is my first build in like a decade and I bought the memory I did because I wasn't comfortable with doing timings manually and several places I read/watched said this was a good kit to just stick in, set xmp, and go. Unfortunately it won't...

www.techpowerup.com

These are the timings I get out of the FAST settings using the calculator. As you can see, my actual settings are a fair bit tighter, but at lower DRAM Voltage.
You might also want to install Taiphoon burner and read the SPD data from there and import it into the DRAM calculator to see if it spits out some better timings.

 

[Caring1]

Your tRFC seems very high, I would try and tune that down. Is that SAFE or FAST settings?
If it's SAFE, try FAST, as it'll make a big difference.
You should also be able to tune the tRC setting down a bit.
This is why I'm running on my Hynix CJR modules.

Ryzen DRAM Calculator by 1usmus

Is there anyone here who could give a novice a hand? This is my first build in like a decade and I bought the memory I did because I wasn't comfortable with doing timings manually and several places I read/watched said this was a good kit to just stick in, set xmp, and go. Unfortunately it won't...

www.techpowerup.com

These are the timings I get out of the FAST settings using the calculator. As you can see, my actual settings are a fair bit tighter, but at lower DRAM Voltage.
You might also want to install Taiphoon burner and read the SPD data from there and import it into the DRAM calculator to see if it spits out some better timings.

Your Ram is single rank, his are dual rank, timings will differ.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Your Ram is single rank, his are dual rank, timings will differ.

I have four sticks, so dual rank...
That screenshot was admittedly old, as I grabbed it from an old thread here, since I don't have access to my system right now.
However, I didn't have to tweak any of those settings beyond 0.1V extra on the DRAM Voltage to run all four modules at those settings.
On top of that, I don't expect the timings to be identical, I just made some suggestions on what to look at if you read my post.

 

[djisas]

Im happy that it booted, that is safe setting and DRAM read with Taiphoon...
I have the fast data here, might try it later...
And actually, i don't know if it's single or dual rank.
From the html file created by Taiphoon It has:

Number of DIMM Ranks:

1

DRAM Device Die Count:

Single die

Would this mean it's actually single rank memory and I was getting the setting for dual rank.
I will save these bios settings, since they work and further explore this...

 

[TheLostSwede]

Im happy that it booted, that is safe setting and DRAM read with Taiphoon...
I have the fast data here, might try it later...
And actually, i don't know if it's single or dual rank.
From the html file created by Taiphoon It has:

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Number of DIMM Ranks:

1

​

DRAM Device Die Count:

Single die

Would this mean it's actually single rank memory and I was getting the setting for dual rank.
I will save these bios settings, since they work and further explore this...
View attachment 153827

Right, that's single right indeed. The single rank timings are looking a lot better and more in line with what I'd expect. Note that you don't have to change them all as I pointed out. Down to tRC is enough, plus tRFC and procODT is enough in my experience. It saves a lot of time.
Next, if you want to play, you could try 3733, it might work with the same timings, but it depends on your CPU and IF bus.

 

[Caring1]

I have four sticks, so dual rank...

You seem to have Rank and Channel confused.

 

[djisas]

You seem to have Rank and Channel confused.

I had no clue before either, had to dig a little to figure it out, these things where unimportant on the old days of intel and ddr3, just set it to xmp and forget...

 

[tabascosauz]

I had no clue before either, had to dig a little to figure it out, these things where unimportant on the old days of intel and ddr3, just set it to xmp and forget...

Forgot to check in with you, how's the U9S working out for you? Any struggles with handling the 3600 in that case?

 

[TheLostSwede]

You seem to have Rank and Channel confused.

Nope, not at all. It's impossible to run quad channel on an X570 board. It's still only dual channel with four modules. But four single rank modules ends up as dual rank in a dual channel board.

 

[djisas]

Forgot to check in with you, how's the U9S working out for you? Any struggles with handling the 3600 in that case?

Great, it can probably run passive at idle, temps are generally under 40º with fan at 600rpm...
Tbh I don't know max temps yet...

 

[djisas]

Well, everything has been running smoothly, apart from borderlands 3 being party crasher, game is great but poorly optimized and it crashes at random, it's a well known issue...

But today im here to discuss power supplies.
I have ever had 3 in over 15 years, actually near 20.
The first had great marketing and was on every tech magazine, so I bought it, it was so bad i rma'd a motherboard, memory sticks, and tv capture card, had a p4 back in teh day and turning HT on would crash the pc, voltages would fluctuate like 20%, i only figured it out after it burned all that hardware and started monitoring voltages, replaced with a Seasonic S12 and it worked like a clock.
Replaced it with my current Zalman, a pretty cool psu when it was new, i needed a stronger psu for my Ati radeon HD2900XT.

Now after the upgrade, or while at it, decided to open it up and clean 10 years of accumulated dust and now I found out a loud coil or rattling noise only under gaming, it's not the fan rubbing some wire, because there are huge instantaneous variations in loudness and picth, not progressive like a fan ramping up.
So this being a very old unit it's time to go back to the market, and I have been eying some of the new seasonic 750-850W units.
I would like to hear opinions on this mater and what psus everyone likes.

Btw, my pc doesnt wake from sleep unless I press power button, maybe it's psu related, I wonder with the new hardware and all...

On a side note, this machine is at the lowest noise ouput ever, even with a chipset fan...