Major Ryzen 3600 upgrade

[djisas]

Been fiddling around shops for a while, watching the market and with BL3 struggling on my current CPU, the time has came.

So m here looking for advice and stuff on this new build...

Ive settled on cpu R53600 for 170€
MB im not sure whether X470 or X570, to note that SATA ports are important, and so is the audio quality since I will lose my soundcard, I may buy a cheap NVMe drive for OS only.
So some of the options are:
Asus ROG Strix X470-F Gaming ~230€
Asus ROG Crosshair VII Hero (Wi-Fi) X470 ~280€
Asus ROG Strix X570-F Gaming -300€
Im open to suggestions, but i like the design and specs of these ASUS boards, and i have been an ASUS fanboy forever, (though i gave up on their graphic cards...)

For cooler i'm thinking Noctua NH-D9L or Noctua NH-L12S ~50€, cant fit anything taller than a D9

And for RAM, I can go cheap Team Group Kit 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3600MHz Dark Z Red CL18 80€
Or big G.SKILL Trident Z Neo RGB 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-3600MHz CL16 136€, it's about the best priced CL16 kit i can get apart from some Ripjaws V CL 16 for 100...
So big question is the Trident worth 60€ more?

I might upgrade graphic card next year if it's worth it, and even the cpu and NVMe and reduce on the old mechanical HDD's, current card is RX5600XT...

 

[X71200]

The Trident-Z RAM is not worth it for €60 more, also those prices are absurd for those boards. You could simply get a B450 that supports Matisse like the Tomahawk MAX.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Agree with ^^^, for a 3600 I would not pay considerably more than the CPU price for a motherboard (but that's just me), you said sound was important, the Asus ROG Strix B450-F Gaming has good sound (S1220A), overclocks well and hopefully has the connectivity you need, the money saved should cover the 60 for the Trident's if you really want them.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

If you decide to thrift into a 570 board, check the QVL for memory choices. the B450 doesnt matter as much.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Of the 3 boards you have listed I would grab the X570 Strix F the hero 7 is way too close in price and the x470 is way overpriced at 230€ for what you're getting 160€ is a much as I would be comfortable spending on it I would actually personally buy the x570 tuf over it but I sense you're going for a rog theme.

The B450 Tomahawk max is an excellent board and you could likely grab a 3700X and still come out paying less overall...

Unless that ram is CL 16-16-16-36 I wouldn't spend extra on it over the other kits.

 

[djisas]

Of the 3 boards you have listed I would grab the X570 Strix F the hero 7 is way too close in price and the x470 is way overpriced at 230€ for what you're getting 160€ is a much as I would be comfortable spending on it I would actually personally buy the x570 tuf over it but I sense you're going for a rog theme.

The B450 Tomahawk max is an excellent board and you could likely grab a 3700X and still come out paying less overall...

Unless that ram is CL 16-16-16-36 I wouldn't spend extra on it over the other kits.

Ram is some Cl 16-19-19-something, anything with thighter timmings will be north of 150€...
As much i liked TUF in the past (my sabertooth P67) they feel cheaper these days...

I also feel everything is way overpriced around here, will keep thinking and listening, ty Y'all...

Also for 10 fps, 3700X will be way over 100€ in price, might as well upgrade to ryzen 3 when it comes...

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I've done 2 builds with the Tuf one with the 3700X the other with a 3900X... I was actually pretty impressed with it considering it was around 165 usd when purchased.... 6 layer pcb, decent vrm, 8 sata ports, bios is solid..... The only thing I would change is Intel instead of realtek lan although neither of the people I did the builds for have had any issues whatsoever with it.

Other than the sub $250 msi boards all of the X570 boards are pretty good at least when it comes to vrm even the lowest tier Asus board has a very similar vrm to the Z390 hero.

 

[Metroid]

AMD Ryzen 4000 'Zen 3 Vermeer' Desktop CPU And Radeon RX Navi 2X 'RDNA 2' Graphics Cards Expected To Launch In October 2020

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I wonder if the launch of 4xxx will really be in 2020, few months away, i would wait. Year ago I had the same choice, buy a i5 9600 or wait 3600, I waited the 3600 and pretty happy about it. I hope the $200 tag price will be for a 8 core this time and if yes I will glad upgrade.

My recommendation is to wait till October.

 

[dgianstefani]

This is one of the most unbalanced builds i've seen.

Don't spend twice the price of your CPU on your motherboard.

Don't buy a 6 core CPU then get top tier RAM.

Don't consider an SSD to be an optional purchase.

 

[Iceni]

I just ordered a 3600 system for myself and went through a big list of compromises.

VRM and chipset were the main things I got wrapped up in when looking at what's what.

The one thing I kept seeing was the lack of overclocking potential on the 12 and 16 core chips when using a lesser VRM. This is most of the MSI budget X570 and some of the Gigabyte. Asus hasn't cut as many corners on the VRM solution at the bottom end and even the Prime x570-p has a reasonable VRM.

Trouble has been that AM4 is almost the end of the line. The 4K chips will use it, but after that, we are expecting a new socket. So unless you are planning on upgrading to a 12 or 16 core and overclocking there is no real reason to invest in a beefy VRM. If you can find the features you want on the lesser motherboards, and you are confident that you will not be upgrading for the next 3-4 years then go cheap.

Because of that, the board I picked for myself was the absolute cheapest that met the requirements for the 3600, The MSI MPG x570 gaming plus.

Chipset I still went X570 over B450 and X470.

The thought process here was far more involved - B450 doesn't offer SLI I have 2 end of life cards that I plan to use for a couple more years so it had to be an X series chipset for me. Likewise, X470 just wasn't available and where it was it wasn't priced correctly for the features it looses over X570. The loss of PCI-E 4 for the SSD's and the lower ram speed capabilities just made X570 a more promising chipset.


It seems to be a universal consensus that 3600 ram is the sweet spot for these systems. Timings do matter, but you should be able to tighten any decent ram timings by using the ram calculator. I ended up with Adata XPG 3600 CL18 as a compromise. Badly timed ram is worse for these systems than slow ram. There is a gamer nexus video kicking about where they have some Geil 3200 and use it across an MSI and Gigabyte board and the boards are pulling different timings out of the XMP profile. The result is that on the board that pulls the slacker timings some 2400 ram was beating it in a lot of tests.

As for your sound setup, you can get PCI-E soundcards now, It may be worth investing some money saved on corner-cutting into one, Rather than spending $100 more on a motherboard that may or may not have adequate sound quality.

 

[X71200]

Sound cards should be a thing of past, if you really *need* good sound, I'd suggest looking into decent DACs like Schiit. Otherwise, stick with onboard.

 

[djisas]

Although other than the sub $250 msi boards all of the X570 boards are pretty good at least when it comes to vrm even the lowest tier Asus board has very similar vrm to the Z390 hero.
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This is one of the most unbalanced builds i've seen.

Don't spend twice the price of your CPU on your motherboard.

Don't buy a 6 core CPU then get top tier RAM.

Don't consider an SSD to be an optional purchase.

Already have 2 SSD, one is a 500Gb samsung EVO860, spending another 100 for an NVMe is not on immediate plans, so i was eying a Kingston for 50 for OS only...
The MB is to be future proof...
Ty for your concern.

I just ordered a 3600 system for myself and went through a big list of compromises.

VRM and chipset were the main things I got wrapped up in when looking at what's what.

The one thing I kept seeing was the lack of overclocking potential on the 12 and 16 core chips when using a lesser VRM. This is most of the MSI budget X570 and some of the Gigabyte. Asus hasn't cut as many corners on the VRM solution at the bottom end and even the Prime x570-p has a reasonable VRM.

Trouble has been that AM4 is almost the end of the line. The 4K chips will use it, but after that, we are expecting a new socket. So unless you are planning on upgrading to a 12 or 16 core and overclocking there is no real reason to invest in a beefy VRM. If you can find the features you want on the lesser motherboards, and you are confident that you will not be upgrading for the next 3-4 years then go cheap.

Because of that, the board I picked for myself was the absolute cheapest that met the requirements for the 3600, The MSI MPG x570 gaming plus.

Chipset I still went X570 over B450 and X470.

The thought process here was far more involved - B450 doesn't offer SLI I have 2 end of life cards that I plan to use for a couple more years so it had to be an X series chipset for me. Likewise, X470 just wasn't available and where it was it wasn't priced correctly for the features it looses over X570. The loss of PCI-E 4 for the SSD's and the lower ram speed capabilities just made X570 a more promising chipset.


It seems to be a universal consensus that 3600 ram is the sweet spot for these systems. Timings do matter, but you should be able to tighten any decent ram timings by using the ram calculator. I ended up with Adata XPG 3600 CL17 as a compromise. Badly timed ram is worse for these systems than slow ram. There is a gamer nexus video kicking about where they have some Geil 3200 and use it across an MSI and Gigabyte board and the boards are pulling different timings out of the XMP profile. The result is that on the board that pulls the slacker timings some 2400 ram was beating it in a lot of tests.

As for your sound setup, you can get PCI-E soundcards now, It may be worth investing some money saved on corner-cutting into one, Rather than spending $100 more on a motherboard that may or may not have adequate sound quality.

My soundcard is a 7.1 with a beefy front panel, 7.1 cards are hard to come by and with the features it will be upwards 200€, so getting a good onboard chip might do it for now and then maybe even invest on a good DAC, had one before, it was disappointing compared with my soundcard...
I do have a 7.1 speaker kit, i also though about a full fledged HI-Fi receiver...

It's just that the X570 Prime have all i want in a MB for an 100€ more over equivalent X470 solutions...

As for the RAM, maybe i will go for a cheaper kit then...

 

[ASOT]

X570 mobo,ram 3000 - 3200

 

[Iceni]

My soundcard is a 7.1 with a beefy front panel, 7.1 cards are hard to come by and with the features it will be upwards 200€, so getting a good onboard chip might do it for now and then maybe even invest on a good DAC, had one before, it was disappointing compared with my soundcard...

Have you looked on any of the content creation forums to see if anyone has managed to get a Pci soundcard to run correctly with a PCI-E to Pci convertor? There will be threads somewhere on the web where someone has at least tried to do that.

If they have it may be worth a gamble on a convertor and some PCI-E riser cables so you can at least have a chance to continue using it.

There are also the Pci 32bit riser cables that may be more suited. If your case has a free slot or one of the sideways slots then this may work. It'll be a ghetto mod at it's best, but if it works then it solves most of your current budget problems.

Something like this

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Paired with something like this

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So you don't have to deal with the height difference. Might work, no promises tho.

If it does work then it shouldn't introduce significant latency to the PCI card because the older 32bit interface was a lot slower than PCIE.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I'd recommend this RAM.

Patriot Viper Steel DIMM Kit 16GB, DDR4-3600, CL17-19-19-39 ab € 41,90 (2024) | Preisvergleich Geizhals EU

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I've had very good success with it in my rig and I run four 8GB modules at CAS16 (see system spec).
It's affordable and performs well, however it doesn't like to run using XMP settings, so manual settings are required.
3600MHz RAM is a nice speed for Ryzen 3000 CPUs and these modules can run faster than that.

 

[Shou Miko]

If you go X470 chipset choose wisely on what to look at and avoid bad boards with crappy VRM solutions.

On my AMD Ryzen 9 3900X I am using a MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC becasue it ticked all my requirements and I don't need PCI-E Gen. 4 since I don't want to do any upgrade current because I am happy with everything else.

I using a Delock USB Type-C to Type-A adapter so I can use the USB Type-C port for normal usb devices since I don't have any USB type-c devices I use.
Link: https://www.delock.com/produkte/G_65519/merkmale.html

 

[djisas]

This kit https://www.gskill.com/product/165/...VDDR4-3600MHz-CL16-19-19-39-1.35V16GB-(2x8GB) for 98€, 18more than the cheapo team kit.
Same Latency as the expensive kit...

 

[R2DSF]

MB im not sure whether X470 or X570, to note that SATA ports are important, and so is the audio quality since I will lose my soundcard, I may buy a cheap NVMe drive for OS only.

Do you really needs in Multi GPU configuration or PCI-e 4.0 lanes?
May be you shoud look at ASUS TUF B450-PRO Gaming?

And for RAM

What about Crucial Ballistix memory on Micron E-Die chips?

Spoiler: R5 3600 + Micron E-Die

 

[djisas]

Do you really needs in Multi GPU configuration or PCI-e 4.0 lanes?
May be you shoud look at ASUS TUF B450-PRO Gaming?

What about Crucial Ballistix memory on Micron E-Die chips?

Spoiler: R5 3600 + Micron E-Die

I'm limited to what i can find in shops for reasonable price, but i will look it up for the ram...
Not quite interested in B450 boards, it's not like a 50€ would make a difference over maybe a TUF470...

Im thinking if I could sell my junk, for around 300ish, budget would be trough the roof...

 

[R2DSF]

Not quite interested in B450 boards

Most X470 boards has crappy voltage regulator (worse than on B450) except some top tier boards.
Most X570 boards has unfortunate location of the chipset (it will cook in own juice when GPU at heavy load), except for some Crosshairs from Asus and some MEG from Microstar.

i will look it up for the ram...

Do that. Because it very reasonable RAM. I's cheap but has good OC potential.

Spoiler: Some Micron E-die OC's on Zen 2.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I'm limited to what i can find in shops for reasonable price, but i will look it up for the ram...
Not quite interested in B450 boards, it's not like a 50€ would make a difference over maybe a TUF470...

Im thinking if I could sell my junk, for around 300ish, budget would be trough the roof...

Crucial sell RAM online, ships all over the EU. They're owned by Micron.

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[R2DSF]

Not quite interested in B450 boards, it's not like a 50€ would make a difference

This difference will allow you buy decent SSD for example.

 

[djisas]

Actually I forgot I was waiting for the B550 boards, but haven't had any news lately...

 

[TheLostSwede]

Actually I forgot I was waiting for the B550 boards, but haven't had any news lately...

Between now and July. Afraid I don't have any better estimate right now.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

For RAM, just get a 3200 C14 kit.

Do an AIO for cooler if you can.

Don't overlook MSi or AsRock motherboards either.

Maybe a new case too instead of that one you have from 2005 -> https://www.newegg.com/black-phante...ek_P400-_-11-854-097-_-Product&quicklink=true

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