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It’s a changed world. After it is all over it’s going to be a much altered and poorer world in many ways.
An interesting perspective. While there will be a temporary economic shock, I expect a full recovery once this thing blows over... maybe with the added bonus that people in general will be more prepared for a bad situation. Or maybe not... things are pretty shit given we're fighting off a flu. Imagine if something really bad happens... I fear it doesn't take much to de-stabilize our fragile society - a lesson I won't soon forget.
 
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It’s a changed world. After it is all over it’s going to be a much altered and poorer world in many ways.
In my opinion this is the right time when human race should reconsider and maybe finally overcome the nonsensical Monetary System as it s ATM....
 
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Instead of spending Billions to Trillions of Dollars trying to prevent this easy contracted virus. Let it run its course and we can all go back to our regular routine. It took this COVID-19 coronavirus to make the public more consciences and aware of Personal Hygiene. I would like to say more but it appears it would be offensive. The media is of no help but making matters worse. People need to work, if ill stay home is common sense. Keep people outside your personal space of 2 to 6 feet away. Ensure you do and enforce others who you are acquainted with to cleanse their hands with soap and hot water, before work, before and after meals and before leaving work. If needed wear gloves. Our Ancestors have survived worse and managed to continue onward. We will survive only if you use common sense and practice good personal hygiene. Letting the economy fall apart and giving people free money leads to corruption and crime spree. Go to work and provide for your family and other. Take Safety Precautions and don't live in Fear.
 

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Instead of spending Billions to Trillions of Dollars trying to prevent this easy contracted virus. Let it run its course and we can all go back to our regular routine. It took this COVID-19 coronavirus to make the public more consciences and aware of Personal Hygiene. I would like to say more but it appears it would be offensive. The media is of no help but making matters worse. People need to work, if ill stay home is common sense. Keep people outside your personal space of 2 to 6 feet away. Ensure you do and enforce others who you are acquainted with to cleanse their hands with soap and hot water, before work, before and after meals and before leaving work. If needed wear gloves. Our Ancestors have survived worse and managed to continue onward. We will survive only if you use common sense and practice good personal hygiene. Letting the economy fall apart and giving people free money leads to corruption and crime spree. Go to work and provide for your family and other. Take Safety Precautions and don't live in Fear.
What people aren't understanding is that it is putting lots of people in hospital. Unchecked, the rate of infection and lack of immunity means an overwhelming level of admissions, placing catastrophic strain on all medical processes. The knock-on from that is no treatment for a multitude of other, otherwise preventable deaths. That's the problem with letting it run its natural course. And no government is willing to face the fallout from such a dire scenario, nor would they wish to be seen as culpable in the deaths of potentially hundreds of thousands of people.

Edit: literally just been informed by text by my manager that our service (gym etc) is shut to the public from tomorrow. Likely for weeks, if not months. :eek:
 

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What people aren't understanding is that it is putting lots of people in hospital. Unchecked, the rate of infection and lack of immunity means an overwhelming level of admissions, placing catastrophic strain on all medical processes. The knock-on from that is no treatment for a multitude of other, otherwise preventable deaths. That's the problem with letting it run its natural course. And no government is willing to face the fallout from such a dire scenario, nor would they wish to be seen as culpable in the deaths of potentially hundreds of thousands of people.

Edit: literally just been informed by text by my manager that our service (gym etc) is shut to the public from tomorrow. Likely for weeks, if not months. :eek:
Everyone is going to get the coronavirus. We're delaying the spread for medical and health professional reasons or dragging our feet for months. Death is a natural process in life and inevitable. Mother Nature does its best to keep human population under check. The count is what ? world wide 500,000 people infected (a small ratio) out of more than 8 Billion human inhabitants and like 20,000 deaths. I believe the seasonal Flu kills about that many people each year. The problem with COVID-19 is how quickly it spreads. The fear and shutting down society only going to lead to riots and criminal activity the longer it continues. Oh well, the debate continues. Agree to disagree and each of us entitled to our own beliefs and opinion. I wish everyone the best of health and much happiness in life. Have a terrific day.
 
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the number of reported cases depends on the amount of testing going on.. the boom part is when it hits the exponential curve..

the world as we know it is about change.. there is no going back..

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Portugal's cases are up to 448: 1 death thus far.

We're building a facility to help with COVID-19's patients: obviously it's nowhere near the size of the ones China built but it will still take longer to build ...

There's a bit of good news, however: an infected pregnant lady gave birth to a boy who DOES NOT have the virus.

EDIT

Our President was advised to take COVID-19's test because he attended an event with students from a school of which was later confirmed one case with infection: that school is currently closed until further notice and the President's test came up negative.

The President has isolated himself, to be on the safe side, @ least until the end of next week: he is after all within the age group where the consequences of catching COVID-19 are more severe.
Our President was re-tested today and the result came back negative.
 
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Europe is closing the borders for 30 days from later this week.
It's a shame about Italy, but closing the boarders isn't going to help. It's like closing the barn door after the horse has already bolted. The damage is done. At this point we know it's not the deadliest thing ever, so let it run it's course and work the prevention problem on a local level.
 

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So far I believe the area I'm in has 3 cases, I'd say that is very good considering the size of the county (well, I guess for UK size not like the US... lol)

I do hope everyone is alright and that we do find something that will help combat the problem.. The Mrs mentioned something on Facebook that an 87 year old lady (I believe this is correct...) had it and then walked out the hospital as she'd recovered and punched the air.. To me, nothing bad about that at all :) I hope to hear more like that.....
 
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I've been wondering... with how this spreads and how long it sticks around... how good of an idea is it really to put all of these heavy restrictions on for 30+ days?

Prevention I get. Total halt on travel and general avoidance of heavily communal areas makes sense... for a little while. And then time goes by and people run out of money. Their jobs cease to exist. Then what? Governments everywhere take huge deficits to bail everyone out so cities and towns don't start collapsing like dominoes? Where is the line? Does anybody know?

I feel like they can try to keep the heavy restrictions going, but ultimately it's not going to stop the virus. Everybody wants to stop the virus. It's not possible. Just as it isn't possible for people to really live under these restrictions indefinitely. Sometimes I wonder if governments just think that it'll go away if we wait long enough. Maybe holding out for the miracle cure. But even if that was true, not much of a world left by then...

I don't think it's going to work. I'm waiting for the major problems and serious unrest to take hold. This whole situation is kind of unprecedented and the consequences for the actions being taken really aren't known well enough. I will be surprised if things don't loosen up before things really settle down. The world, as it currently runs, stops for nobody... because it can't. Is that a foolish way for mankind to operate? I mean... haven't we all known the answer? It seems like we've always been moving too fast. Makes slowing down almost seem worse than what we have to slow down for, you know?

At best, we buy some time for people to move through the hospitals and get everyone on the same page, as well as learn more about the symptoms and how to treat it. Just keep people from propagating it quite as quickly and just focus on bolstering treatment as much as humanly possible. Cuz, I mean... the world can't wait forever. I've said a bunch that I am all for caution and slowing down, but it's getting to the point where people aren't even scared of the virus... they're scared of what is going to happen to their lives. "Self-induced major global recession" sounds like something that can and really, seriously needs to be avoided.

We're at a point now where better risk assessment needs to be done and a better balance will need to be struck, BEFORE signs of major socioeconomic damage start to show. The time to close-up has come and gone for most places. Over here in the US, it makes more sense to slow down quickly - we're just getting started with the spreading and now is the time to minimize. But how long can this really take to saturate for countries already hit hard? How long can they afford to wait? Do we really want to find out the hard way what local and global economies can bear? I see little talk of this on the news. It's almost like nobody wants to think about it right now. I think that's a huge mistake.

Another thing I see that's weird to me... specifically in America. The whole focus is on the number of deaths, which is what arguably matters the least. It's not that people dying doesn't matter, but if we're accounting for all of the undocumented cases, the death ratio is probably a lot lower than it looks. What I wish we'd focus on was the number of hospitalizations and serious cases requiring treatment. It's great that most people are recovering, but all of those people have to move through the healthcare system in short order. Overburdened hospitals have a trickle-out effect on all patients. That's why slowing it down a bit is important. Not leaving everything to rot matters too, though.

The best we've ever had are common sense preventative measures. I.E.: "slow down," not "stop." This isn't something to "win" or get on top of. That's not the name of the game. The question is how to ride it out and still keep moving. It'll be interesting to see how things unfold with the restrictions being proposed here. I think they're shooting for the moon. I don't think we can really afford the hit in the end and I'm sure plans will change by the week. But then, what the hell do I know? Honestly, jack shit at this point. :laugh:

I just see a pattern. It starts hitting, we tighten down. "It's not working." So we tighten down more. "IT'S STILL GETTING WORSE!" Now we can't tighten down more, things are falling apart. "WHY ISN'T THIS WORKING?!" What can be done at that point? Could it maybe just be too late? I think it might be. Beyond a pandemic, the last thing anybody wants is a pandemic and a collapsing economy simultaneously. That's not really better.

I'm of the simple wisdom "Do what makes sense." As in, maybe let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater over this pandemic. It's serious, but far from the only major factor in this situation. The deaths might not even be the worst part of it.

I dunno. It doesn't seem right. I get this unsettling sense of tunnel vision.
 
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Well it's inevitable, when you see the experts saying flatten the curve what they usually fail to mention is that it'll likely draw the current restrictions out to at least 2-5x longer. This situation will indeed last months & as I said in another thread there is no New Deal or World War to get us out of the next Great Depression. By the time this is over the 2008 crash may well seem puny in comparison!
 
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Well it's inevitable, when you see the experts saying flatten the curve what they usually fail to mention is that it'll likely draw the current restrictions out to at least 2-5x longer. This situation will indeed last months & I said in another thread there is no New Deal or World War to get us out of the next Great Depression. By the time this is over 2008 may well seem puny in comparison.
To me, it's like "Good luck!" At some point people are going to stop caring. People aren't going to watch things crumble for months. The unrest would be so real. I really hope it doesn't come to that. Things can be much worse than this virus... and that admittedly is very bad! It really bothers me that almost no consideration is given to the future. It's all in the now.

One of my first observations, back when this all surfaced was "Welp, we've already fucked it all up, haven't we?"

Next to the death counter, maybe we should have a "jobs" counter. One goes up, the other goes down. Which one wins? Can we even win? o_O
 
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Here is an info-graphic of contact tracing for all Covid 19 infection people in my place here in Singapore. Quite an impressive feat of police work here.

 

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Prevention I get. Total halt on travel and general avoidance of heavily communal areas makes sense... for a little while. And then time goes by and people run out of money. Their jobs cease to exist. Then what? Governments everywhere take huge deficits to bail everyone out so cities and towns don't start collapsing like dominoes? Where is the line? Does anybody know?
This is why I said when it’s over, every person and nation will be profoundly changed and poorer.

The numbers in Louisiana are racing on. We went from 136 cases yesterday to 196 cases today. Also 4 deaths up from 3 yesterday. 136 of today’s cases are here in the New Orleans area. It’s pretty much ground zero in the state.

The deaths might not even be the worst part of it.
I dunno, it’s the worst part for me if I pass it on to my wife.
 
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The numbers in Louisiana are racing on. We went from 136 cases yesterday to 196 cases today. Also 4 deaths up from 3 yesterday. 136 of today’s cases are here in the New Orleans area. It’s pretty much ground zero in the state.
This is why people are panicking. They see these numbers and have no context. Throw in FLU metrics and things will get real.
 

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This is why people are panicking. They see these numbers and have no context. Throw in FLU metrics and things will get real.
Flu is also deadly for my wife, but the number of people innoculated as well as her annual immunization as well as the pneumonia immunization makes the flu season much more survivable for her. Perhaps once a vaccine is available for COVID-19 we will view it as casually as we do the flu.
 
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Flu is also deadly for my wife, but the number of people innoculated as well as her annual immunization as well as the pneumonia immunization makes the flue season much more survivable for her. Perhaps once a vaccine is available for COVID-19 we will view it as casually as we do the flu.
The point was that COVID19 is only slightly more dangerous than the flu and the mortality rates are similar. People/companies/governments are panicking over want is effectively a slightly more serious version of a virus that already exists.
 
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The fatality rate is at least 10x higher, even if they're preliminary estimates, but more importantly it's now approaching R0 exceeding 3 which means that it's likely more than 2x as contagious as the flu. So no this is clearly so much worse, at least till the time we get a cure for it.
 
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The fatality rate is at least 10x higher, even if they're preliminary estimates, but more importantly it's now approaching R0 exceeding 3 which means that it's likely more than 2x as contagious as the flu. So no this is clearly so much worse, at least till the time we get a cure for it.
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Based on the percentages, you are incorrect. COVID19 is only slightly more lethal than the FLU. In fact more people have died from the flu in 2018 than all of the COVID19 cases so far by a factor of 10+.

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You do realize that nCoV also has the knock on effect of overwhelming the healthcare system, besides leading to secondary diseases like pneumonia? Now "social distancing" may have some positive effect in slowing it down, but as others have opined the domino it'll have on the real economy is equally if not way more scary. In that sense I'd rather overstate the possible worst case scenario & be safe than sorry. As of now, with the rate it's spreading, we'll easily have 100+ million infected before the end of the year, provided enough people are getting tested & of course well above a million deaths worldwide!
 
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The fatality rate is at least 10x higher, even if they're preliminary estimates, but more importantly it's now approaching R0 exceeding 3 which means that it's likely more than 2x as contagious as the flu. So no this is clearly so much worse, at least till the time we get a cure for it.
They don't know that yet. Here in my country they have 1700+ cases tested and 42 killed. that is 2.5% which is much more than the "normal" flu. Only there are so many more people who have not been tested because of mild symptoms, the estimate here is around 12,000+ and then you suddenly come to 0.3% which is comparable to the flu. In many countries are not fully tested and only the worst cases are tested.
Don't get me wrong, this is a dangerous virus that must be stopped, especially considering the conditions in hospitals.
 
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