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Massive problems with RTX series cards artifacting and dying

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the cards have been out well over four months now and i aint entirely sure the bugaboos have been sorted yet..

i will consider them sorted when nvidia comes clean and says exactly what the bugaboos were.. until then i rely entirely on UK consumer law to put paid to any worries i still have as regards the replacement card i now have failing.. he he..

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If this thread descends into the absolute s***show that the last thread did I'm closing it immediately. Play nice and don't make any claims without factual evidence to back up your claims people. Sick of seeing 10 page long threads comprised of "I think" "He said/she said" "my buddy who totally works for NVidia told me..."
Was that the one where I linked how the Samsung cards are failing the exact same way?

This thread is just as worthless as that one.
 
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the cards have been out well over four months now and i aint entirely sure the bugaboos have been sorted yet..

i will consider them sorted when nvidia comes clean and says exactly what the bugaboos were.. until then i rely entirely on UK consumer law to put paid to any worries i still have as regards the replacement card i now have failing.. he he..

trog
If it doesn't work, ya have 3 years here inn the US.... it took 18 months, 20 calls to support and 4 RMAs before EVGA just gave up and sent a next generation card ... the original card ran, but couldn't match advertised core speeds.

As for the time period, if ya go back and check, you'll see the + sign. ... "Best to wait 3+ months and wait for all the bugaboos to get flushed out" . That means .... wait at least 3 months to see if anything is reported ... if all good, then I'll jump in assumnmg the initial "I'll pay more to be the 1st one on the block crowd" prices have petered out. Here we saw reports after just 1 month so put the brakes on. Took another month for them to figure it out, so time to start counting again at the turn from November to Decenmber. I expect that most of the old 2070 cards have been flushed out of the channel given the current pricing. I'd still sit in 'watch mode' till the calender says March and reavaluate then. After a "clean" 3 months, might get some price pressure from AMD and then it's a win all around.
 
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tl;dr
- VRAM underclock makes borked card work OK.
- Micron GDDR6 - possible cause?

It takes 13 minutes to say that in the video.
 
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Guys...don't mean to throw wood on the fire, but this problem is bigger than Nvidia is prepared to admit. I spoke to a friend yesterday, he works in the RMA department of one of the biggest retailers in my country, and he said they are getting so many cards RMA'd, that manaegement has decided to remove all stock from the shelves.
 

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- VRAM underclock makes borked card work OK.
- Micron GDDR6 - possible cause?

It takes 13 minutes to say that in the video.
Samsung cards fail the same way. So no micron memory has nothing to do with it.

Here is a link to Samsung failing in the same way.

https://m.hardocp.com/article/2018/11/21/rtx_2080_ti_fe_escapes_testing_by_dying_after_8_hours

Here is a link to the last thread closed because I don't know if it was ignorance or stupidity, but people kept repeating it was a micron issue after Samsung cards failed.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/failing-rtx-2080-ti-cards-caused-by-micron-gddr6-memory.249975/

So I will make the same comment I made there.

Why is it when micron cards die it is memory related, but when Samsung cards die it is not? It would be safe to point the finger elsewhere at this point unless the thought is neither Samsung nor micron can produce memory.
 
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Can we just agree that both everyone involved from Nvidia to memory manufacturers failed to do their basic QA homework to a smaller or a bigger degree.
 
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I spoke to a friend yesterday, he works in the RMA department
What's his name and where does he work. Please post a LinkedIn profile.
If this thread descends into the absolute s***show that the last thread did I'm closing it immediately. Play nice and don't make any claims without factual evidence to back up your claims people. Sick of seeing 10 page long threads comprised of "I think" "He said/she said" "my buddy who totally works for NVidia told me..."
Oh look I predicted it, yay, go me.
 
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What's his name and where does he work. Please post a LinkedIn profile.

Oh look I predicted it, yay, go me.
Providing a name could end a job so is not likely to happen, its a shame as proof would be nice ,I think personally until Nvidia say its a big problem it is'nt that big, No company can hide a big issue from shareholders ,something people should remember since Nvidia have had to fess up before.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
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Guys...don't mean to throw wood on the fire, but this problem is bigger than Nvidia is prepared to admit. I spoke to a friend yesterday, he works in the RMA department of one of the biggest retailers in my country, and he said they are getting so many cards RMA'd, that manaegement has decided to remove all stock from the shelves.
the retailers should know the faulty card return figures.. but as long as they wish to keep selling the cards they are not exactly gonna shout it from the roof tops..

but i dont think the issue has been sorted yet.. this is the kind of post i like to hear.. not bullsh-t there is no problem.. i know there is a problem i just want to know what the cause is..

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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
At CES, multiple AIBs had mentioned that their return rates on RTX were not out of line. Those have both micron and samsung memory on them. Memory failing may be a symptom of a bigger issue upstream since both seem to be failing.

I'm just tired of seeing eidarman(anyone) repost that video to these forums(anywhere) like it adds anything to the conversation. That dude was 3 months late to the party and still hasn't figured anything out.
 
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One thing i find interesting is IF there had been an issue with the chips themselves , then the recently reported contamination issues on TSMC's 12/16nm lines would align nicely with an investigative procedure by foundry and customer, this is in My opinion possible ,not fact, but could they be tied.
they would announce something that big though absolutely.
 
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One thing i find interesting is IF there had been an issue with the chips themselves , then the recently reported contamination issues on TSMC's 12/16nm lines would align nicely with an investigative procedure by foundry and customer, this is in My opinion possible ,not fact, but could they be tied.
they would announce something that big though absolutely.
if there is a connection we are talking a pretty big and widespread problem.. one that will take a fair while to filter through the system.. time will tell..

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if there is a connection we are talking a pretty big and widespread problem.. one that will take a fair while to filter through the system.. time will tell..

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It is already a massive issue for both ,yes ,time will tell how big.
 
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What's his name and where does he work. Please post a LinkedIn profile.

Oh look I predicted it, yay, go me.
Look pal, i don't know you, nor do i have to answer to you! I just shared what we talked about. Take the info as you wish, true or false. All i will say is i am not trying to bash the company nor am i a fanboy of the red camp( I am the proud owner of a GTX 1080ti atm, and have had several Nvidia cards in the last 10 years), i am just sharing the info i got from him with you! And no, i would never ever rat out a friend!
 

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At this point I would be more curious is TSMC is to blame with their issues.
 

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At this point I would be more curious is TSMC is to blame with their issues.
This is the conclusion I am coming too as well.
 
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Samsung cards fail the same way. So no micron memory has nothing to do with it.

Here is a link to Samsung failing in the same way.

https://m.hardocp.com/article/2018/11/21/rtx_2080_ti_fe_escapes_testing_by_dying_after_8_hours

Here is a link to the last thread closed because I don't know if it was ignorance or stupidity, but people kept repeating it was a micron issue after Samsung cards failed.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/failing-rtx-2080-ti-cards-caused-by-micron-gddr6-memory.249975/

So I will make the same comment I made there.

Why is it when micron cards die it is memory related, but when Samsung cards die it is not? It would be safe to point the finger elsewhere at this point unless the thought is neither Samsung nor micron can produce memory.
Dunno how exactly memory controller works in VGAs, but if its anything like modern CPUs I would look if there isnt some problem. Also could be badly set timings, voltages and so on.. Cause if it works when you underclock memory and not on native speed and its NOT memory? Well what else (apart mem volts and mem temps).

It shouldnt be that hard to find it out with some testing.
 
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Dunno how exactly memory controller works in VGAs, but if its anything like modern CPUs I would look if there isnt some problem. Also could be badly set timings, voltages and so on.. Cause if it works when you underclock memory and not on native speed and its NOT memory? Well what else (apart mem volts and mem temps).

It shouldnt be that hard to find it out with some testing.
It would reset the system if mem temp sensor were to be triggered, afaik. I agree with your emphasis on the controller.
 
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after over 200 hours of gaming my 2080ti card started to fail.. first a full system reset which needed a full power off before the system would reboot..

after that progressively downclocking the memory from plus 750 to minus 1000 kept it going for few a more gaming hours spread over a couple of days.. then it just refused to take any kind of 3D load.. it just crashed back out to the desktop..

at some point something failed.. a memory chip or controller i havnt a clue what..

i have just tried my replacement card at plus 1000 on the memory.. it works fine with no signs of artifact.. i aint gonna run it like this but it does give me some kind of yardstick to go by..

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after over 200 hours of gaming my 2080ti card started to fail.. first a full system reset which needed a full power off before the system would reboot..

after that progressively downclocking the memory from plus 750 to minus 1000 kept it going for few a more gaming hours spread over a couple of days.. then it just refused to take any kind of 3D load.. it just crashed back out to the desktop..

at some point something failed.. a memory chip or controller i havnt a clue what..

i have just tried my replacement card at plus 1000 on the memory.. it works fine with no signs of artifact.. i aint gonna run it like this but it does give me some kind of yardstick to go by..

trog
When you say, plus 1000 on the memory, is that the actual value on Afterburner (or equivalent) or the actual Mhz i.e. 14,000 to 15,000?

Is there a chance that the memory is vulnerable to overclocking in a way that permanently degrades it? If you didn't overclock the memory, would it be fine? Let's face it, 14k Mhz doesn't really call out for an OC, the core gives more benefit.
 
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i did say plus 750 down to minus 1000 in my attempts to keep the card running once it started to fail.. my card is a palit and that is what the thundermaster software reads.. stock it reads 7000.. GPUZ would read 1750 stock..

i did not get any space invaders it ran fine for 200 plus gaming hours then something failed and it rapidly died after that simply crashing out to the desktop instantly.. most of the time i ran a frame rate cap so the card was never working hard or running over 65 C at around 55% fan duty.. in simple terms the card suffered from premature failure.. these things are designed to be idiot proof and should last for years.. this is the first time over many years i have ever had a graphics card fail..

basically i run 1440 and apart from benching a 2080ti has more power than i need.. i did speak to an Ebuyer UK engineer he did seem aware of problems and also said they were getting less palit cards back than others.. i never asked for exact return figures because i didnt want to put the guy on the spot and didnt expect any direct answers.. i thought a subtle approach was better..

trog

ps.. when i first get a graphics card i play with the clocks to get an idea what the card is capable of.. i then knock the clocks back a fair bit for general use.. my general use settings for my 2080ti card were plus 100 on the core and plus 750 on the memory with a frame rate cap of 99..
 
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