Micro stuttering while gaming

[Ferrum Master]

^+1 I had the same problem sometime ago, setting it on high performance fixed it for me!

It actually ain't a fix, but a poor kernel governor... It should not be like that.

 

[newconroer]

... The stuttering is probably the result of inconsistent frame latencies from frame to frame...

Agreed however I wouldn't place the blame on any particular component causing a performance bottleneck. The majority of 'micro stutter' has nothing to do with any hardware or driver issues, rather simply due to how the program is managing the frame.

The more the latency fluctuates, the more noticeable your 'stutter' is. The smoothest result will be gained when your frame latency stays the same.
For 60hz monitors, that would be 16.6ms and for 120mhz, that would be 8ms.

In order to achieve this consistency, you would sync/lock your frame to your monitor's refresh rate and then apply Vsync(often at the driver level and not in the program itself, should that program allow it)
This can be done in programs such as Radeon Pro (AMD), Inspector (Nvidia)[could be wrong about this, if someone with Inspector could chime in].

You can monitor frame latency with onscreen display from RivaTunerStatistics.

 

[Razielcho]

my power plan is on high performance

 

[newconroer]

my power plan is on high performance

Seriously read my previous post.

The suggestions in this thread so far have been ludicrous.

 

[Razielcho]

ooh yes i also tried to cap my frame rate to my monitor refresh rate 60 fps with nvidia inspector didnt work at all

 

[...PACMAN...]

Seriously read my previous post.

The suggestions in this thread so far have been ludicrous.

Why bash other people when they have tried to help him? What's ludicrous to you, may be something the OP has not tried.

 

[LiveOrDie]

It actually ain't a fix, but a poor kernel governor... It should not be like that.

Its a big problem with X99 and Unreal games not sure what its related to seems like windows to me.

Agreed however I wouldn't place the blame on any particular component causing a performance bottleneck. The majority of 'micro stutter' has nothing to do with any hardware or driver issues, rather simply due to how the program is managing the frame.

The more the latency fluctuates, the more noticeable your 'stutter' is. The smoothest result will be gained when your frame latency stays the same.
For 60hz monitors, that would be 16.6ms and for 120mhz, that would be 8ms.

In order to achieve this consistency, you would sync/lock your frame to your monitor's refresh rate and then apply Vsync(often at the driver level and not in the program itself, should that program allow it)
This can be done in programs such as Radeon Pro (AMD), Inspector (Nvidia)[could be wrong about this, if someone with Inspector could chime in].

You can monitor frame latency with onscreen display from RivaTunerStatistics.

I got to disagree because when i get micro stutter my FPS only drops 1 FPS and this happens on any Hz 60-80-100-120-144 for me the problem isn't related to latency.

 

[newconroer]

Why bash other people when they have tried to help him? What's ludicrous to you, may be something the OP has not tried.

Offering suggestions that steer the person in the opposite direction and potentially make things worse or create new issues, means yes, they are ludicrous.

We've had this on several threads recently, where people drop into threads with some recommendations which are extreme and irrelevant. It feels like people are putting post count before logic and real concern for the person who needs assistance.

I got to disagree because when i get micro stutter my FPS only drops 1 FPS and this happens on any Hz 60-80-100-120-144 for me the problem isn't related to latency.

I never said you lose frames per second. In fact you make a good point on something I left out that's very important. When you have uneven frame latency, you can still be showing 60fps (or whatever the value may be), and yet the behavior of the program is similar to when you have a dip or loss of fps. Things do not feel smooth, they can be jerky, they can stutter etc.

I would challenge you to go back and measure your frame latency in those scenarios and see what your ms count is.

Either way, everything Razielcho has described suggests it's frame latency. And if somehow I'm wrong, then the methods suggested to resolve it were not drastic and he only wasted ten minutes of his time.

 

[Razielcho]

Also i track the my frame rates with Fraps and it stays constant 60 and rarely drop to 59-58 and fastly catch up 60 again and if the stutter happen the frames stay 60 i though the nvidia inspector will slove the problem but didnt work for me

 

[Ferrum Master]

Its a big problem with X99 and Unreal games not sure what its related to seems like windows to me.

Well windows actually has the most direct impact here...

Well for example, do you remember AMD had one tool during K8 era... I forgot it's name, a green arrow in the tray is the only thing left in my memory, afterwards K10 TLB bug fixed via an update ie kernel patch... so the best example these days are mobile phones, their compiling environment and optimization flags, toolchains so, there may be a dirty mess there... The problem is the game and OS is compiled for a quite large and diverse monkey zoo, not device specific thus these problems occur. It might be that only one CPU extension like prediction logic is barking and causing troubles.

But is always been like that with bleeding edge new platforms like X99, DDR4, thank you for your efforts in the beta testing

But this time it is different, it must be a simple driver or hardware conflict error.

 

[newconroer]

Also i track the my frame rates with Fraps and it stays constant 60 and rarely drop to 59-58 and fastly catch up 60 again and if the stutter happen the frames stay 60 i though the nvidia inspector will slove the problem but didnt work for me

This is exactly the behavior exhibited when you have mild frame latency fluctuation. The fps is consistent, but it feels like there's a performance loss, in the form of stuttering or hitching.
I am not so certain that Inspector allows you to refresh rate lock - I'll look into that.

 

[...PACMAN...]

Offering suggestions that steer the person in the opposite direction and potentially make things worse or create new issues, means yes, they are ludicrous.

We've had this on several threads recently, where people drop into threads with some recommendations which are extreme and irrelevant. It feels like people are putting post count before logic and real concern for the person who needs assistance.

Most of those suggestions were not irrelevant at all. Remember, some may not have as much experience as yourself but it can still be valid advice. You are not the be all and end all of advice givers. They may have had an issue themselves which were subsequently resolved by the course of action they recommended to the OP. It's a forum, a community and if people are offering any form of help it should not be bashed by you as irrelevant.

I urge the OP to explore all avenues when it comes to system issues but be systematic and methodical whilst doing so. Sometimes it can be something very simple you are missing or doing incorrectly. Take your time and try to eliminate possible issues, one by one. Good luck.

 

[newconroer]

Don't make me go through the list of asinine things that have been suggested so far.. and more
glaring is that these people probably DO have more experience than me.

Yours however is particularly unnecessary and ignorant - reinstall the operating system?
Nice blanketed response on how to solve a problem with NT platform computers...

Oh and while he's at it, sure send him into his BIOS and have him poke around shit he doesn't understand.

The internet is full of advisement by anonymous persons and parties who when push comes to shove, won't hold accountability for their reckless 'advice,' when something goes wrong with the EU's system.

There's nothing more to say on this - you're wrong, your suggestions are bad and no matter how much you want to help, you're only sending him further away from a resolution and on a wild goose chase that will make things worse.


So err on the side of caution - I urged Razielcho to pursue an avenue that addresses the exact issue based on how he describes it - meanwhile not committing him to any drastic changes.

 

[...PACMAN...]

I wouldn't dream of making you go through your supposed list of asinine things, your first post already bored me. Are you that repugnant and ignorant that you think your POV is the only way? Seriously, this Xmas, take a good long look in the mirror and assess yourself as a person....the greatest gift you could give yourself.

I'm not wrong and nor are the other people who have advised, it's just that, advice! The aim is to help the OP and it could be several issues or just one. Us being anonymous people on the internet does not mean that you can't suggest solutions. I'm sure the OP is grown up enough to make his own decisions on what he will try, to resolve the issues at hand. Why should we be accountable for things that are commonplace (A system reinstall has resolved many an issue in the past with various users)

Merry Christmas Newconroer and good luck in life, you're gonna need it.

OP I hope you manage to resolve the issues I know how annoying it can be, I had the same issue and an OS reinstall resolved it. Fancy that

(BTW Newconroer I will be checking this thread again as I would like him to sort the issue(s) but feel free to keep posting your trash talk, you are not valid and on my ignore list from now on. Think of it as my naughty and nice list!)

Don't make me go through the list of asinine things that have been suggested so far.. and more
glaring is that these people probably DO have more experience than me.

Yours however is particularly unnecessary and ignorant - reinstall the operating system?
Nice blanketed response on how to solve a problem with NT platform computers...

Oh and while he's at it, sure send him into his BIOS and have him poke around shit he doesn't understand.

The internet is full of advisement by anonymous persons and parties who when push comes to shove, won't hold accountability for their reckless 'advice,' when something goes wrong with the EU's system.

There's nothing more to say on this - you're wrong, your suggestions are bad and no matter how much you want to help, you're only sending him further away from a resolution and on a wild goose chase that will make things worse.


So err on the side of caution - I urged Razielcho to pursue an avenue that addresses the exact issue based on how he describes it - meanwhile not committing him to any drastic changes.

 

[Razielcho]

The other thing that i notice is that when i make default settings on nvidia control panel and the game with default settings get worst stuttering its almost constant then so a few settings up on nvidia control panel make the games 95% smoother and 5% stutter rarely . So i think there is an optimal nvidia settings for smooth gameplay ( not defaults ) which i need to find out and maybe that will reslove my problem i hope so . Anyway what would you say guys ?

 

[P4-630]

The other thing that i notice is that when i make default settings on nvidia control panel and the game with default settings get worst stuttering its almost constant then so a few settings up on nvidia control panel make the games 95% smoother and 5% stutter rarely . So i think there is an optimal nvidia settings for smooth gameplay ( not defaults ) which i need to find out and maybe that will reslove my problem i hope so . Anyway what would you say guys ?

You could try Nvidia GeForce Experience, or maybe you already tried it?
Nvidia Experience will optimize your in game settings for each specific card for many games.

 

[kn00tcn]

the nvidia power management setting is set to 'prefer maximum performance' not 'adaptive'? set it on an individual game profile if you have to

what about max prerendered frames? that will affect smoothness a lot

i dont know what 'threaded optimization' does but could be something to try

 

[Razielcho]

I tested maximum pre rended frames from 1 to 5-6 didnt helped i have smooth gameplay but time by time i got stuttering and then smooth gameplay again so the stuttering is not permanent . The power managment is set to maximum performance . Anyway i also tested with DPC latency , and Latencymon but they didnt detect drop they report everything is normal without drops but the micro stuttering is presist i guess is not DPC latency problem . I`m worried about that even with Vsync OFF the stuttering still presist with screen tearing some ppl had screen tearing but smooth gameplay as for me isnt smooth even without Vsync This happend even with my old GPU HD 5770

 

[Razielcho]

Look at this video the stuttering on there is near the same as mine

 

[LiveOrDie]

Look at this video the stuttering on there is near the same as mine

Thats not microstutter his GPU can't handle the rendering of the world, If he was showing the same video with all settings on low and the problem was still there then its microstutter.

 

[Razielcho]

Its there even on low settings

 

[LiveOrDie]

Hes running a GTX 660 Ti which won't handle GTA 5 on high settings.

This is the same as what i get in this game.

 

[Muhad]

Unparking the CPU cores does get rid of stuttering in games for many players. Solved my stuttering problem.

 

[RCoon]

Hes running a GTX 660 Ti which won't handle GTA 5 on high settings.

This is the same as what i get in this game.

Not even a Ti, he's running a base 660.

 

[Aquinus]

My god people. Stop calling it micro-stutter. That's what you get using SLI or Crossfire without frame pacing where the frame latencies between the two cards are always slightly off. This is frame lag because the GPU isn't strong enough to render the image fast enough. Lets not use improper terms here.