Microsoft Announces the Surface Studio - A 28-Inch AIO With Skylake and GTX 980M

[arterius2]

No Thunderbolt.


It's for drawing.

Holy crap mate. I couldn't believe it myself. Anno 2017, and Microsoft of all companies releases a computer of this calibre and didn't include anything north of ancient USB 3.0. What a flop man, this makes me so freaking sad words could not describe it. The wait continues then....

 

[arterius2]

Yep, by seeing this video.

....holy moly, I want that dail.

Holy FLIP! Just learn the dail going to be allowed to work with all Windows machines.

Dial

 

[arterius2]

Well if you want a monitor like that then shell out the money for the monitors in that range of specs.
Of course none of them are cheap. Most monitors in the range are geared to professional work and content creation.

27HD Cintiq runs for $2,799.

Or this lovely lot. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2402114,00.asp
Of course none of those allow drawing right on the screen. Not many have that tech. Wacom for the longest was king of that hill. At least Microsoft and Apple are competing with them.

Hmmm, Cintiq releasing the MobileStudio 16 next month. Seems these next few months going to be interesting around these types of screens.

No need to tell me what I should buy. I already have 2x Dell U3014 for content creation work.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

And all this graphical complexity supports outdated GTX980M ! 28 nm ! chip which is therefore much more consumption of energy and more warming as GTX1060M (I would rather see GTX170M) which would be more convenient and cheaper. For everyone, the question arises why this combination. Is in Microsoft so much bureaucracy that development suffers year delay , or rely on this , that customers anyway they do not know what they are buying ,and will be stranded on the resolution point of sensitivity that is not visible on low resolution on the monitor ...

I was honestly surprised to see a 980M in it. I was expecting intel integrated.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Yep, by seeing this video.

....holy moly, I want that dial.

Holy FLIP! Just learn the dial going to be allowed to work with all Windows machines.

Thanks for the video. Indeed this is what is intended for. However if you look closely to the vid, the touch lag is horrid, not better than any drawing tablets out there. Also this thing should have by default a professional GPU, either a FireGL or Quatro on it.

But to be honest, since is one of the first on their category, we can forgive them for beta testing the users.

P.S.
I think in the future, in order to fully use this tablet as a drawing pad, a couple of mandatory steps need to happen.
- First of all, a high refresh screen with 120Hz is minimum.
- Second, you cannot have any other screen type except OLED. You need to be able not only to draw realistic colors, but also to further reduce screen lag.
- Third, they need to increase the nr of touch points on the screen to (ideally) match the screen resolution dot-pitch. This is also mandatory if you want to remove the lag caused by interpolating the distance between touch points on the screen, the major disadvantage of all drawing pads.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Thanks for the video. Indeed this is what is intended for. However if you look closely to the vid, the touch lag is horrid, not better than any drawing tablets out there. Also this thing should have by default a professional GPU, either a FireGL or Quatro on it.

But to be honest, since is one of the first on their category, we can forgive them for beta testing the users.

P.S.
I think in the future, in order to fully use this tablet as a drawing pad, a couple of mandatory steps need to happen.
- First of all, a high refresh screen with 120Hz is minimum.
- Second, you cannot have any other screen type except OLED. You need to be able not only to draw realistic colors, but also to further reduce screen lag.
- Third, they need to increase the nr of touch points on the screen to (ideally) match the screen resolution dot-pitch. This is also mandatory if you want to remove the lag caused by interpolating the distance between touch points on the screen, the major disadvantage of all drawing pads.

Well 120hz at that resolution isnt happening any time soon.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Well 120hz at that resolution isnt happening any time soon.

Dual DP 1.3 or DP 1.4 . For more than 4K $ no excuse for not implementing using latest technologies.

 

[Brusfantomet]

I'm surprised to find that a lot of people love the shitty 3:2 format. I mean, really?? Oh yeah, this format is awesome if all that you're doing is programing, browse Internet, listen to music and watch old photos, other than that I see zero reason to pick up a format like that for any other tasks. Even the 16:10 format is not good enough for me. Personally, I cannot imagine working again without my 21:9 monitor, specially for work related tasks, like putting multiple windows/apps aside, perfect gaming FOV, no more black bars for movies, etc.
I mean specially for that price....

Speak for your self, 16:10 is ideal for work, need more real estate? add another screen, and most games now have a FOV slider.

 

[iO]

You'd better get some good looking ceiling lights because you'll gonna see them all the time if that glossy screen is tilted...

 

[Ithanul]

Thanks for the video. Indeed this is what is intended for. However if you look closely to the vid, the touch lag is horrid, not better than any drawing tablets out there. Also this thing should have by default a professional GPU, either a FireGL or Quatro on it.

But to be honest, since is one of the first on their category, we can forgive them for beta testing the users.

P.S.
I think in the future, in order to fully use this tablet as a drawing pad, a couple of mandatory steps need to happen.
- First of all, a high refresh screen with 120Hz is minimum.
- Second, you cannot have any other screen type except OLED. You need to be able not only to draw realistic colors, but also to further reduce screen lag.
- Third, they need to increase the nr of touch points on the screen to (ideally) match the screen resolution dot-pitch. This is also mandatory if you want to remove the lag caused by interpolating the distance between touch points on the screen, the major disadvantage of all drawing pads.

Yep, their first go. Other artists are thinking of waiting out for 2nd Gen when all the bugs and quirks be worked out.

Though, Wacom upcoming MobileStudio 16 tablet looks nice. Just found the price on the 16, that lowest price on that is $2,500 then maxing out at $3,000.

What I find interesting in that video is the 2D to 3D art. Seems new software or added ability to current software.

 

[Air]

This looks awesome. Who would imagine that microsoft would be the leading company in PC hardware inovation? Yeah yeah, it would be better with a 1070 or something, but the concept is great. Second iteration will be great, specially if they implement that modular idea for the GPU side:

 

[Aquinus]

Great, except it costs more than the 5k iMac with similar loaded specs. Apple's price point already ticks me off and I don't think MS is capable of reasonably competing in this area. If I can get an Apple product cheaper, I would probably get the Apple product.

 

[Frick]

Great, except it costs more than the 5k iMac with similar loaded specs. Apple's price point already ticks me off and I don't think MS is capable of reasonably competing in this area. If I can get an Apple product cheaper, I would probably get the Apple product.

If Apple had that hinge and that drawing capabilities I'm sure it would cost more. This is not a standard AIO, as has been reiterated.

 

[Aquinus]

If Apple had that hinge and that drawing capabilities I'm sure it would cost more. This is not a standard AIO, as has been reiterated.

I say this because the 5k iMac with the i7, 32GB of memory, and a R9 395M costs about as much as the i5, 8GB, 965 M MS variant. I wouldn't pay an almost 700 to 1000 dollar price premium over an Apple product depending on the model just to get a touch screen with the model that has equivalent hardware. That's stupid.

 

[Frick]

I say this because the 5k iMac with the i7, 32GB of memory, and a R9 395M costs about as much as the i5, 8GB, 965 M MS variant. I wouldn't pay an almost 700 to 1000 dollar price premium over an Apple product depending on the model just to get a touch screen with the model that has equivalent hardware. That's stupid.

Neither would I, but neither of us the intended market.

 

[Aquinus]

Neither would I, but neither of us the intended market.

The market for something like this is probably even smaller than the market for HEDT platforms.

 

[Frick]

The market for something like this is probably even smaller than the market for HEDT platforms.

Which partly is why it is so remarkable: Microsoft has made a computer designed for a tiny, tiny market that is insanely appealing to almost everyone.

 

[Franzen4Real]

I say this because the 5k iMac with the i7, 32GB of memory, and a R9 395M costs about as much as the i5, 8GB, 965 M MS variant. I wouldn't pay an almost 700 to 1000 dollar price premium over an Apple product depending on the model just to get a touch screen with the model that has equivalent hardware. That's stupid.

That's stupid? And what are you using for an input device on your Apple product that you saved $700-$1000? The Apple mouse? lmfao... If you are actually using this for its intended purpose, you will have a Wacom or something equivalent for your Mac. So now you're down to a $200 or less premium. And for that, I will choose the Cintiq-like ability to use the stylus on screen as opposed to a drawing pad every single time. (Not to mention the much bigger benefit of not being locked into an Apple eco system).

 

[Ithanul]

That's stupid? And what are you using for an input device on your Apple product that you saved $700-$1000? The Apple mouse? lmfao... If you are actually using this for its intended purpose, you will have a Wacom or something equivalent for your Mac. So now you're down to a $200 or less premium. And for that, I will choose the Cintiq-like ability to use the stylus on screen as opposed to a drawing pad every single time. (Not to mention the much bigger benefit of not being locked into an Apple eco system).

Stylus on screen is extremely nice. At least with this computer and screen there be more competition in that area of the market, but that area has always had high prices on the hardware and software. I have a Cintiq, Intuos Pro, and Intuos Art. Drawing straight on the screen beats the drawing pads by a huge mile as it gives the closest feel to actual traditional drawing.

Hope a good review video comes out later comparing the Studio against a Cintiq. Especially on how well their stylus works, software support in art programs, etc. Maybe later Microsoft will sell the screen with stylus as a separate monitor.

 

[Aquinus]

That's stupid? And what are you using for an input device on your Apple product that you saved $700-$1000? The Apple mouse? lmfao... If you are actually using this for its intended purpose, you will have a Wacom or something equivalent for your Mac. So now you're down to a $200 or less premium. And for that, I will choose the Cintiq-like ability to use the stylus on screen as opposed to a drawing pad every single time. (Not to mention the much bigger benefit of not being locked into an Apple eco system).

Sure and how much of the market are people like you? I'm not saying there is no value to it but, that value evaporates if you're not using it that way and I suspect that most people aren't but, maybe I'm wrong and people are willing to pay higher prices than what Apple charges for such a computer, I just don't see that being that case with how much people whine about Apple's prices and this being north of that.

 

[remixedcat]

You'd better get some good looking ceiling lights because you'll gonna see them all the time if that glossy screen is tilted...

I hate glossy screens.... specially with any lights in the room at all... and also what is the viewing angle on this gonna be.... at the price they are setting it's prolly not the best.

 

[arterius2]

I hate glossy screens.... specially with any lights in the room at all... and also what is the viewing angle on this gonna be.... at the price they are setting it's prolly not the best.

178 degrees

 

[OneMoar]

980M?
fking seriously ?
the machine is 4200 dollars
NO microsoft just NO get a clue

 

[Totally]

I'm surprised to find that a lot of people love the shitty 3:2 format. I mean, really?? Oh yeah, this format is awesome if all that you're doing is programing, browse Internet, listen to music and watch old photos, other than that I see zero reason to pick up a format like that for any other tasks. Even the 16:10 format is not good enough for me. Personally, I cannot imagine working again without my 21:9 monitor, specially for work related tasks, like putting multiple windows/apps aside, perfect gaming FOV, no more black bars for movies, etc.
I mean specially for that price....

@4500 x 3000 res, you really saying that with a straight face? You are getting twice the horizontal and three times the vertical real estate. I can understand the need to find a point of criticis... oh no wait, I can't because this one is just bit too ridiculous. Is resizing windows or unused portions that you can still see the wallpaper that difficult to deal with?

 

[arterius2]

980M?
fking seriously ?
the machine is 4200 dollars
NO microsoft just NO get a clue

wait.. Whats wrong with 980m again?