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The US or EU governments should force Microsoft to provide Windows 10 updates for at least another 10 years.

When Microsoft stops providing Windows 10 security updates, millions of computers will turn into toxic waste overnight.

And the people most affected will be the poorest, who don't have enough money to buy a new computer with the hardware requirements for Windows 11.

They must realize that there is no Planet B for us.

This is too much greed and indifference on Microsoft's part, and too much shame for MS, when it ends support for Windows 10 in 2025.

I hope greed doesn't win and that Microsoft continues to release updates for Windows 10 until at least 2035.
 

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Windows 10 iot enterprise ltsc 2021: supported until 2032
Works on any pentium 4 64bit (2005)/ athlon 64 (2003) pc and later. That will be 29 year old hardware by then.

Windows 11 iot enterprise ltsc 2024: supported until 2034 (almost certain)
Works on any core i (2008)/bulldozer (2011) (-early celerons/pentiums). That will be 26 year old hardware by then.
(no tpm/4gb ram/uefi/secure boot required for windows 11 24h2) (popcnt instruction required)

We already have 8-10 more years.
 
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When Microsoft stops providing Windows 10 security updates, millions of computers will turn into toxic waste overnight.
Nonsense! Tinfoil hat wearers said the exact same thing when support for XP ended and again when support for Windows 7 ended. Did millions of computers turn into toxic waste overnight? NO!!! Did they suddenly become infected with malware? NO!!! Did they suddenly become a threat to the rest of us? NO!!!! Did they suddenly stop working? NO!!!

Users continued to safely use them for years! People are still using Windows 7 and support for that ended almost 5 years ago.

How where they able to do so safely? Because anti-malware software makers continued to provide support for it.

So stop spreading FUD.

The US or EU governments should force Microsoft to provide Windows 10 updates for at least another 10 years.
Not going to happen. Nor should it. If folks want to keep using their 10 - 15 year old computers, they can switch to Linux. Besides, odds are their favorite software would have turned into toxic waste :rolleyes: years ago anyway!
 
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The US or EU governments should force Microsoft to provide Windows 10 updates for at least another 10 years.

When Microsoft stops providing Windows 10 security updates, millions of computers will turn into toxic waste overnight.

And the people most affected will be the poorest, who don't have enough money to buy a new computer with the hardware requirements for Windows 11.

They must realize that there is no Planet B for us.

This is too much greed and indifference on Microsoft's part, and too much shame for MS, when it ends support for Windows 10 in 2025.

I hope greed doesn't win and that Microsoft continues to release updates for Windows 10 until at least 2035.

they do. AT A PRICE. called a service agreement. pay the millions, and microsoft will keep a Programming team on standby for you (or a government)… so cheaper to have proper opsec, and use the OS as is. or “hold” your nose, upgrade... and have proper opsec.
are we really talking about Win7, and “old-but-still-useful-equipment” has dies not have a new win10 driver for it?
 
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they do. AT A PRICE. called a service agreement. pay the millions, and microsoft will keep a Programming team on standby for you (or a government)… so cheaper to have proper opsec, and use the OS as is. or “hold” your nose, upgrade... and have proper opsec.
are we really talking about Win7, and “old-but-still-useful-equipment” has dies not have a new win10 driver for it?

Of the Intel CPUs supported by Windows 11, only those from the 8th generation onwards are officially compatible with Windows 11. Of the AMD CPUs, only Ryzen 2000 and newer. And Windows 11 only works if the motherboard has TPM 2.0.

Thousands of people and businesses that use not-so-old PCs in perfect condition will have to throw away their PCs if Microsoft does not maintain security updates and support for Windows 10.

 
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End of Support or End of Life does not mean End of Function. I just worked on an old IBM System/6000 43P-133, running aix 4.1.1......still functions just fine.

I see scandalous amounts of XP/Server2003 still in the wild.

I've no special love for Microsoft, but they aren't the first or only company to use the "old one is old, new one is new" marketing strategy.

No one has to throw away anything, don't worry so much.
 
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Of the Intel CPUs supported by Windows 11, only those from the 8th generation onwards are officially compatible with Windows 11. Of the AMD CPUs, only Ryzen 2000 and newer. And Windows 11 only works if the motherboard has TPM 2.0.

Thousands of people and businesses that use not-so-old PCs in perfect condition will have to throw away their PCs if Microsoft does not maintain security updates and support for Windows 10.

TPM modules are pretty cheap. just looked on newegg and they go for around 20$. Only laptops are kinda screwed really.
 
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For me extended security updates was not worth the cost
  • $61 for year one
  • $122 for year two
  • $244 for year three
I used that money to get a Windows 11 machine that should last longer than 3 years.
 

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That money could get me a Windows 11 machine

Thats always been the point. Even enterprise agreements work the same.
 

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It's a 9yrs old OS already. You can't except old software to be supported forever.
 
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End of Support or End of Life does not mean End of Function. I just worked on an old IBM System/6000 43P-133, running aix 4.1.1......still functions just fine.

I see scandalous amounts of XP/Server2003 still in the wild.

I've no special love for Microsoft, but they aren't the first or only company to use the "old one is old, new one is new" marketing strategy.

No one has to throw away anything, don't worry so much.
Exactly. As for one's home PC, it won't get future updates. So what?
 
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The idealist and dreamer in me wants to agree. It'd be nice to not to have to change hardware unless you want more performance or features.

The realist in me understands that support doesn't come from nowhere. It needs time, effort, and funding. Since time is finite, more developer time put into supporting old things is also less time put into working on new things.

I think you are may be seriously underestimating how much time, effort, and costs support can be, and it's not down to just Microsoft, but also to all of the hardware and software developers even remotely involved. Stuff like drivers would be pretty important here, and does this even extend to applications too? if so, which ones, and why are some mandated and some not? Market share? And does this apply just to Windows 10, or all versions going forward? You're pitching a pretty broad request that has a lot of considerations.

Wanting to mandate support for something for around twenty years after it release is a tall ask in my mind. You might think this just keeps things as they are now, only with longer hardware usability, but want to know what may instead happen? Either most would-be hardware and software developers won't even get involved because they won't have the startup capital and insurance (so this benefits those already entrenched in the industry and hurts the chances of newcomers) or even if they have it, they'll deem it not worth it, so say goodbye to risk-taking and new ideas, and say hello to even more stagnation... and/or the costs of this may just drive hardware and software prices through the roof to compensate. Of course, just mandating Microsoft to support Windows 10 longer won't do this, but I'm applying your idea on a broader scale to the whole industry to show how massive of a drain it could be to mandate that level of support, and what could happen as a result.

When support for Windows 10 ends, it will have gotten around 10 years of support, and as others said (and while I'm not necessarily recommending this), using it after support ends doesn't automatically equal a non-functional PC and you can continue using it as it is. Linux also exists and tends to support older hardware. Hardware that isn't supported under Windows 11 will be nearly a decade old by that time though, and this is pretty tame compared to some past Windows version requirements.

There's another consideration I want to mention. You raise the point that some people can't afford PC upgrades. While that's unfortunate, I'm not sure how prolonging support for given Windows' versions solves this, because there's some things you may not be considering. For example, the current stuff that is very cheap, is usually cheap in part because it's more near its end of support life/usability. If everything had a mandated twenty year support life, then all this does is push that point back, and extend the middle range, so now you can expect stuff that is decade old to suddenly cost a lot more than it does now, despite its age and lack of performance, and you can expect stuff to not get cheap until it's even older. So those people who can't afford PCs are now going to be even further behind, on much older hardware, and thus worse off than they are now.

I guess what I'm saying is, sometimes complicated matters aren't easily solved, sometimes it's not as easy as "just do this", and sometimes good intentions don't result in the vision they are trying to achieve.
 
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Nonsense! Tinfoil hat wearers said the exact same thing when support for XP ended and again when support for Windows 7 ended. Did millions of computers turn into toxic waste overnight? NO!!! Did they suddenly become infected with malware? NO!!! Did they suddenly become a threat to the rest of us? NO!!!! Did they suddenly stop working? NO!!!
This! Well said!
Users continued to safely use them for years! People are still using Windows 7 and support for that ended almost 5 years ago.
Also this! If done carefully and with a very wise computing ethic, Windows 7 is still fine as a daily driver.
they can switch to Linux.
This is advice that needs to stop. Linux is good, but it's not great. Not yet.

For me extended security updates was not worth the cost
  • $61 for year one
  • $122 for year two
  • $244 for year three
I used that money to get a Windows 11 machine that should last longer than 3 years.
For some, it's totally worth it.
 
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This made me chuckle, you can still use win 10 after support stops. You just need to use it with caution. Start saving up 20-30 buck monthly and you have a new machine before you know it.
Machines that support win 11 is already on the used market.
 
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At least another 10 years? So, Windows 10 will be a decade old next year. So another 10? Have there ever been an OS release with a 20 year long support cycle? Even Enterprise grade LTSB Linux SKUs from the likes of Red Hat don’t have such longevity. The longest 10 will be supported is on the LTSB channel. Consumer releases have never been this long lived.
Now, would it be very cool and poggers of MS to do that? Sure, in theory. But they have never done so before, neither have any other OS vendor who has ever been relevant.
And the argument for PCs not supporting 11 is weird. Yes, I agree that the TPM requirement and other stuff MS “forced” (if we go with the term) on 11 is a bit silly, but why are we still pretending like bypassing it isn’t just a few clicks in Rufus?
 
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I remember windows being all new and fresh.

Like W95 getting upgrades and features to W98 and everyone was happy. And excited. The GUI formed and shaped through the years. On top of security driven updates as well. Stream lining updates... Everyone was all for it. There may have been a few complaints, but that goes with anything.

W11 is the most versatile operating system yet so far. Way better than windows 10.

I have just about every windows version I need. Basically W98 and up. And for somethings, just have to run old OS. But usually, the hardware companies that.

So, W10 goes into the stack of disks. And in the not so far distant future, will run hardware that companies it and say "Look, old school rig!".

So, good bye W10. And thank you for the service while you lasted. Time to move on. :)

Additional Comment:

Oh, and if your W10 copy is legit, W11 is FREE.
 
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There's just that teensy tiny problem that Windows 11 IS CRAP. Even now (including 24H2) it does not perform as well as Windows 10. At least not for AMD processors. Whoever prefers Windows 11 to Windows 10 (and doesnt use an Intel processor) really doesn't seem to use Windows for much, certainly not productivity.

We also handily forget that Windows 10 was supposed to be the last Windows EVAH. But then Intel needed a new scheduler for Alder Lake+ (or else, SHOCK!, it would run poorly) and Microsoft saw the opportunity to invent Windows 11. I really wish they hadn't.

With all that said, I don't believe either the EU or the US will pressure Microsoft to keep supporting Windows 10.
 
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But then Intel needed a new scheduler for Alder Lake+ (or else, SHOCK!, it would run poorly) and Microsoft saw the opportunity to invent Windows 11. I really wish they hadn't.
11 had nothing to do with Intel. It was MS repurposing the bones of Windows 10X. The released 11 is an almost one to one in terms of UI and features. It all has to do with MS pushing their Surface line and other assorted dual laptop-tablet devices.
 
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11 had nothing to do with Intel. It was MS repurposing the bones of Windows 10X. The released 11 is an almost one to one in terms of UI and features. It all has to do with MS pushing their Surface line and other assorted dual laptop-tablet devices.
I respectfully disagree. Although I agree that Windows 11 is the leftovers from the ill-fated Windows 10X. Microsoft should've learned by now that an OS that is "mobile-first" doesn't fly with desktop users.
 
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Microsoft should be forced to provide Windows 11 without TPM/Secureboot requirements and be required by law to set the whole OS up without an internet connection and accounts.
Windows 10 is great but very old. We should not have to rely on old stuff... instead the new stuff should be so much better that moving to it is a real upgrade.
 
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@azrael
I am not sure what you’re disagreeing with. I wasn’t defending MS or anything, I just pointed out the history of events and their apparent reasoning for decisions made with 10X/11.
 
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I am not sure what you’re disagreeing with. I wasn’t defending MS or anything, I just pointed out the history of events and their apparent reasoning for decisions made with 10X/11.
Just the bit that Intel had no stake in this. :)
 

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Microsoft should be forced to provide Windows 11 without TPM/Secureboot requirements and be required by law to set the whole OS up without an internet connection and accounts.
Windows 10 is great but very old. We should not have to rely on old stuff... instead the new stuff should be so much better that moving to it is a real upgrade.


This. Not sure a TPM chip or secureboot offers much benefit to a consumer at all when used on a desktop residing in a private residence. In this situation Windows 11 is making hardware prematurely redundant. I am using a circa 2016 4790k CPU system absolutely fine with Windows 11 (with Rufus help to bypass Windows 11 requirements).
 
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Cooling IceGem 360 + 6x Arctic Cooling P12
Memory 8x 16GB Patriot Viper DDR4-3200 CL16
Video Card(s) MSI GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Ventus 2X OC
Storage 2TB WD SN850X (boot), 4TB Crucial P3 (data)
Display(s) 3x AOC Q32E2N (32" 2560x1440 75Hz)
Case Enthoo Pro II Server Edition (Closed Panel) + 6 fans
Power Supply Fractal Design Ion+ 2 Platinum 760W
Mouse Logitech G602
Keyboard Razer Pro Type Ultra
Software Windows 10 Professional x64
You MUST provide me with a million dollars.

Are you gonna do it? No? Then why the fuck should Microsoft cave to your silly demands?
 
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