• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Microsoft Reveals Office 2021 Pricing

Joined
Dec 16, 2017
Messages
2,722 (1.19/day)
Location
Buenos Aires, Argentina
System Name System V
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard Asus Prime X570-P
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212 // a bunch of 120 mm Xigmatek 1500 RPM fans (2 ins, 3 outs)
Memory 2x8GB Ballistix Sport LT 3200 MHz (BLS8G4D32AESCK.M8FE) (CL16-18-18-36)
Video Card(s) Gigabyte AORUS Radeon RX 580 8 GB
Storage SHFS37A240G / DT01ACA200 / WD20EZRX / MKNSSDTR256GB-3DL / LG BH16NS40 / ST10000VN0008
Display(s) LG 22MP55 IPS Display
Case NZXT Source 210
Audio Device(s) Logitech G430 Headset
Power Supply Corsair CX650M
Mouse Microsoft Trackball Optical 1.0
Keyboard HP Vectra VE keyboard (Part # D4950-63004)
Software Whatever build of Windows 11 is being served in Dev channel at the time.
Benchmark Scores Corona 1.3: 3120620 r/s Cinebench R20: 3355 FireStrike: 12490 TimeSpy: 4624
Is microsoft office so much better than free office software available to charge such insane price?
Switching from one software to another involves the cost of relearning how to do some stuff. And that cost sometimes is not worth it.

Besides, I doubt a lot of people are immediately switching to the latest and greatest with every release. No, I think most people stick to whatever they bought for years... Or decades, if they can.
 
Joined
May 19, 2009
Messages
1,818 (0.33/day)
Location
Latvia
System Name Personal \\ Work - HP EliteBook 840 G6
Processor 7700X \\ i7-8565U
Motherboard Asrock X670E PG Lightning
Cooling Noctua DH-15
Memory G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Black 32GB 6000MHz CL36 \\ 16GB DDR4-2400
Video Card(s) ASUS RoG Strix 1070 Ti \\ Intel UHD Graphics 620
Storage 2x KC3000 2TB, Samsung 970 EVO 512GB \\ OEM 256GB NVMe SSD
Display(s) BenQ XL2411Z \\ FullHD + 2x HP Z24i external screens via docking station
Case Fractal Design Define Arc Midi R2 with window
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1150 with Logitech Z533
Power Supply Corsair AX860i
Mouse Logitech G502
Keyboard Corsair K55 RGB PRO
Software Windows 11 \\ Windows 10
Switching from one software to another involves the cost of relearning how to do some stuff. And that cost sometimes is not worth it.

Besides, I doubt a lot of people are immediately switching to the latest and greatest with every release. No, I think most people stick to whatever they bought for years... Or decades, if they can.
Or in case of O365 - you always have the latest and the greatest, which is one of it's selling points.
Sure, enterprise gets options regarding that, but generally it's a thing.
 
Joined
Dec 16, 2017
Messages
2,722 (1.19/day)
Location
Buenos Aires, Argentina
System Name System V
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard Asus Prime X570-P
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212 // a bunch of 120 mm Xigmatek 1500 RPM fans (2 ins, 3 outs)
Memory 2x8GB Ballistix Sport LT 3200 MHz (BLS8G4D32AESCK.M8FE) (CL16-18-18-36)
Video Card(s) Gigabyte AORUS Radeon RX 580 8 GB
Storage SHFS37A240G / DT01ACA200 / WD20EZRX / MKNSSDTR256GB-3DL / LG BH16NS40 / ST10000VN0008
Display(s) LG 22MP55 IPS Display
Case NZXT Source 210
Audio Device(s) Logitech G430 Headset
Power Supply Corsair CX650M
Mouse Microsoft Trackball Optical 1.0
Keyboard HP Vectra VE keyboard (Part # D4950-63004)
Software Whatever build of Windows 11 is being served in Dev channel at the time.
Benchmark Scores Corona 1.3: 3120620 r/s Cinebench R20: 3355 FireStrike: 12490 TimeSpy: 4624
Or in case of O365 - you always have the latest and the greatest, which is one of it's selling points.
Sure, enterprise gets options regarding that, but generally it's a thing.
Yeah, I was thinking mostly of the standalone versions.

Regarding O365, I actually prefer that for home, since I can pay for it at a hilariously low cost per month and solves the problem of non-genuine software for me, my mom, my sister and my grandmother, plus auto backup to the cloud with 1 TB each. I definitely wouldn't be able to pay all four licenses for standalone versions upfront.

I gotta admit the only thing holding me back before was purely and exclusively Office 2010's ClearType implementation, which was better in my opinion.
 
Joined
Nov 24, 2012
Messages
26 (0.01/day)
I installed Open Office in 2006 and moved to Libre Office when it got forked. Never looked at Microsoft products since, and I do a lot of office related stuff on work.
 
Joined
Jul 5, 2013
Messages
25,559 (6.52/day)
I installed Open Office in 2006 and moved to Libre Office when it got forked. Never looked at Microsoft products since, and I do a lot of office related stuff on work.
Same, except I made that transition in 2002. While I'm forced to use ms office professionally from time to time, personally, once I saw how excellent and easy to use Open Office was(and still is) I never looked back. Only switched to LibreOffice because of the Ocacle nonsense, but after it went to Apache things went back to being rosy! And then we had two very useful, very stable and competent and free office suites.

Just because msoffice is dominant does not make it better.
 
Joined
Jul 10, 2017
Messages
2,671 (1.09/day)
Is microsoft office so much better than free office software available to charge such insane price?
Sadly, no.

Imagine complaining about MS office. This is probably the least changing software on Earth. I don't think that MS cares much about them anyway as they will have to use Office anyway. So far there hasn't been any serious competitor to Office. LibreOffice doesn't 100% support Office formats and people don't care about it, Apple Pages and etc. are just too shit for anything serious.
That is the root of the issue - MS Office has no real competitor, hence MS don't bother improving it much. Meanwhile the developers of the 'competing' products are not paid nearly enough to produce a decent replacement for MS Office, and they know well what they are up against, i.e. the fact that the majority of companies and government structures are vendor-locked by Microsoft and there is simply no (cheap) option to switch to.
 
Joined
May 8, 2021
Messages
1,978 (1.87/day)
Location
Lithuania
System Name Shizuka
Processor Intel Core i5 10400F
Motherboard Gigabyte B460M Aorus Pro
Cooling Scythe Choten
Memory 2x8GB G.Skill Aegis 2666 MHz
Video Card(s) PowerColor Red Dragon V2 RX 580 8GB ~100 watts in Wattman
Storage 512GB WD Blue + 256GB WD Green + 4TH Toshiba X300
Display(s) BenQ BL2420PT
Case Cooler Master Silencio S400
Audio Device(s) Topping D10 + AIWA NSX-V70
Power Supply Chieftec A90 550W (GDP-550C)
Mouse Steel Series Rival 100
Keyboard Hama SL 570
Software Windows 10 Enterprise
That is the root of the issue - MS Office has no real competitor, hence MS don't bother improving it much. Meanwhile the developers of the 'competing' products are not paid nearly enough to produce a decent replacement for MS Office, and they know well what they are up against, i.e. the fact that the majority of companies and government structures are vendor-locked by Microsoft and there is simply no (cheap) option to switch to.
And a simple issue is that this is written once software, that is basically impossible to update and improve. I just writes text, edits slides and computes sheets. The core of it just can't change at all, there really isn't any innovations in that stuff. Microsoft managed to monopolize it first and kept a strong grip on that. Good for them, meanwhile the main problem is that they essentially made something basic and essential to everyone, trademarked and put a price on it. I would argue, that something like Office cannot be trademarked at all and any attempts to do that should be prohibited by law. All these solutions like FOSS software or free office suites are not a real solutions, they are just irrelevant software to tackle a problem of copyrighting something that should never be copyrighted in the first place.
 
Joined
Dec 16, 2017
Messages
2,722 (1.19/day)
Location
Buenos Aires, Argentina
System Name System V
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard Asus Prime X570-P
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212 // a bunch of 120 mm Xigmatek 1500 RPM fans (2 ins, 3 outs)
Memory 2x8GB Ballistix Sport LT 3200 MHz (BLS8G4D32AESCK.M8FE) (CL16-18-18-36)
Video Card(s) Gigabyte AORUS Radeon RX 580 8 GB
Storage SHFS37A240G / DT01ACA200 / WD20EZRX / MKNSSDTR256GB-3DL / LG BH16NS40 / ST10000VN0008
Display(s) LG 22MP55 IPS Display
Case NZXT Source 210
Audio Device(s) Logitech G430 Headset
Power Supply Corsair CX650M
Mouse Microsoft Trackball Optical 1.0
Keyboard HP Vectra VE keyboard (Part # D4950-63004)
Software Whatever build of Windows 11 is being served in Dev channel at the time.
Benchmark Scores Corona 1.3: 3120620 r/s Cinebench R20: 3355 FireStrike: 12490 TimeSpy: 4624
The core of it just can't change at all, there really isn't any innovations in that stuff
I disagree somewhat with that statement. It sure feels like lately there's been little improvement that is worth a cent, but for many years Microsoft invested in Office and actually added a lot of functionality in it. It's just that we're reaching a point where the software is mostly consolidated and has most of the features we can ever think of.
Microsoft managed to monopolize it first and kept a strong grip on that. Good for them, meanwhile the main problem is that they essentially made something basic and essential to everyone, trademarked and put a price on it.
Not really, there are alternatives. The reality is most people don't feel the need to change, so they keep using Microsoft Office (and most of the times probably not even bothering to use anything newer than Office 2003/2007), and companies want support, so they turn to software companies that can provide that support without redirecting everyone to a half-hearted attempt at documentation. Hence Microsoft again, who also provides a bunch of companion services for businesses.

I would argue, that something like Office cannot be trademarked at all and any attempts to do that should be prohibited by law.
And that's where you're wrong. The only thing that's copyrighted is the code. Anyone else can implement the same functionality, as long as they don't copy the code from Office (not like they have access to it anyway). Otherwise, how would alternatives like LibreOffice even exist?

Besides, Microsoft threw in and still throws in a lot of money into Office, like it or not. Why should they be stripped of their right to sell their own product in exclusivity?
 
Joined
Dec 26, 2006
Messages
3,470 (0.55/day)
Location
Northern Ontario Canada
Processor Ryzen 5700x
Motherboard Gigabyte X570S Aero G R1.1 BiosF5g
Cooling Noctua NH-C12P SE14 w/ NF-A15 HS-PWM Fan 1500rpm
Memory Micron DDR4-3200 2x32GB D.S. D.R. (CT2K32G4DFD832A)
Video Card(s) AMD RX 6800 - Asus Tuf
Storage Kingston KC3000 1TB & 2TB & 4TB Corsair LPX
Display(s) LG 27UL550-W (27" 4k)
Case Be Quiet Pure Base 600 (no window)
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1220-VB
Power Supply SuperFlower Leadex V Gold Pro 850W ATX Ver2.52
Mouse Mionix Naos Pro
Keyboard Corsair Strafe with browns
Software W10 22H2 Pro x64
Partially agree. I think people will keep going to buy Office, *BUT* the overwhelming majority of people won't bother buying a new version and will just stick with what they already had unless they really have to upgrade. Like a few here using 20-year-old versions.

To throw in an example, the only real reason we (the accounting firm I work for) switched out of Office 2003 to 2016 is that people kept sending us files in the newer Office formats. So might as well upgrade. But that's about the only reason for it.

Also, I don't think most people care about the "non-commercial use" license restriction on certain Office editions. So I think it's also a matter of an important subset of people thinking "I only need Excel/Word, so I'm getting the Home edition" and not giving a damn about the non-commercial use licensing conditions... I don't think many people outside of corporate read the EULAs anyway.
And nevermind people getting it for cheap from some CD key site.
I think the subscription is a big turn off, at least for personal use. Not sure about corp use. Before you could buy office 2016 home for $250, and get 10 years out of it. Now its about $70-$100/yr subscription, which puts it well over $250 over 10 years. No thanks, especially since you can basically use it for free if you have outlook/hotmail, plus all the other alternatives.
 
Joined
Sep 15, 2011
Messages
6,457 (1.41/day)
Processor Intel® Core™ i7-13700K
Motherboard Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX
Cooling Noctua NH-D15
Memory 32GB(2x16) DDR5@6600MHz G-Skill Trident Z5
Video Card(s) ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 3080 AMP Holo
Storage 2TB SK Platinum P41 SSD + 4TB SanDisk Ultra SSD + 500GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD
Display(s) Acer Predator X34 3440x1440@100Hz G-Sync
Case NZXT PHANTOM410-BK
Audio Device(s) Creative X-Fi Titanium PCIe
Power Supply Corsair 850W
Mouse Logitech Hero G502 SE
Software Windows 11 Pro - 64bit
Benchmark Scores 30FPS in NFS:Rivals
Serious question.
Is there any difference between Office 2016 and this??
I mean there is 0(ZERO) difference between 2016 and 2019 versions too.....
 
Joined
Dec 16, 2017
Messages
2,722 (1.19/day)
Location
Buenos Aires, Argentina
System Name System V
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard Asus Prime X570-P
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212 // a bunch of 120 mm Xigmatek 1500 RPM fans (2 ins, 3 outs)
Memory 2x8GB Ballistix Sport LT 3200 MHz (BLS8G4D32AESCK.M8FE) (CL16-18-18-36)
Video Card(s) Gigabyte AORUS Radeon RX 580 8 GB
Storage SHFS37A240G / DT01ACA200 / WD20EZRX / MKNSSDTR256GB-3DL / LG BH16NS40 / ST10000VN0008
Display(s) LG 22MP55 IPS Display
Case NZXT Source 210
Audio Device(s) Logitech G430 Headset
Power Supply Corsair CX650M
Mouse Microsoft Trackball Optical 1.0
Keyboard HP Vectra VE keyboard (Part # D4950-63004)
Software Whatever build of Windows 11 is being served in Dev channel at the time.
Benchmark Scores Corona 1.3: 3120620 r/s Cinebench R20: 3355 FireStrike: 12490 TimeSpy: 4624
Serious question.
Is there any difference between Office 2016 and this??
I mean there is 0(ZERO) difference between 2016 and 2019 versions too.....
If you make full use of everything Office has, maybe. Otherwise, how do you feel about dark mode?

Bah, AFAIK, only Word has full dark mode. Excel doesn't.

For real, though, according to MS blog post, the new features include real-time coauthoring (requires OneDrive) and a bunch of little things, detailed here:
 
Last edited:

TheLostSwede

News Editor
Joined
Nov 11, 2004
Messages
16,001 (2.26/day)
Location
Sweden
System Name Overlord Mk MLI
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Motherboard Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 SE with offsets
Memory 32GB Team T-Create Expert DDR5 6000 MHz @ CL30-34-34-68
Video Card(s) Gainward GeForce RTX 4080 Phantom GS
Storage 1TB Solidigm P44 Pro, 2 TB Corsair MP600 Pro, 2TB Kingston KC3000
Display(s) Acer XV272K LVbmiipruzx 4K@160Hz
Case Fractal Design Torrent Compact
Audio Device(s) Corsair Virtuoso SE
Power Supply be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 850 W
Mouse Logitech G502 Lightspeed
Keyboard Corsair K70 Max
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores https://valid.x86.fr/5za05v
Imagine complaining about MS office. This is probably the least changing software on Earth. I don't think that MS cares much about them anyway as they will have to use Office anyway. So far there hasn't been any serious competitor to Office. LibreOffice doesn't 100% support Office formats and people don't care about it, Apple Pages and etc. are just too shit for anything serious.
Google drive?
 

qubit

Overclocked quantum bit
Joined
Dec 6, 2007
Messages
17,866 (3.00/day)
Location
Quantum Well UK
System Name Quantumville™
Processor Intel Core i7-2700K @ 4GHz
Motherboard Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3
Cooling Noctua NH-D14
Memory 16GB (2 x 8GB Corsair Vengeance Black DDR3 PC3-12800 C9 1600MHz)
Video Card(s) MSI RTX 2080 SUPER Gaming X Trio
Storage Samsung 850 Pro 256GB | WD Black 4TB | WD Blue 6TB
Display(s) ASUS ROG Strix XG27UQR (4K, 144Hz, G-SYNC compatible) | Asus MG28UQ (4K, 60Hz, FreeSync compatible)
Case Cooler Master HAF 922
Audio Device(s) Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty PCIe
Power Supply Corsair AX1600i
Mouse Microsoft Intellimouse Pro - Black Shadow
Keyboard Yes
Software Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
Serious question.
Is there any difference between Office 2016 and this??
I mean there is 0(ZERO) difference between 2016 and 2019 versions too.....
There are differences between 2016 and 2019 of course, but they’re minor. Microsoft just needed to make a “new” product to convince mugs to part with their money.

BTW, Outlook is still actually Outlook 2016 and it shows up in the control panel mail icon and I think in About. What a con.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Feb 20, 2020
Messages
9,162 (6.11/day)
Location
Louisianna
System Name Ghetto Rigs z490|x99|Acer 17 Nitro 7840hs/ 5600c40-2x16/ 4060/ 1tb acer stock m.2/ 4tb sn850x
Processor 10900k w/Optimus Foundation | 5930k w/Black Noctua D15
Motherboard z490 Maximus XII Apex | x99 Sabertooth
Cooling oCool D5 res-combo/280 GTX/ Optimus Foundation/ gpu water block | Blk D15
Memory Trident-Z Royal 4000c16 2x16gb | Trident-Z 3200c14 4x8gb
Video Card(s) Titan Xp-water | evga 980ti gaming-w/ air
Storage 970evo+500gb & sn850x 4tb | 860 pro 256gb | Acer m.2 1tb/ sn850x 4tb| Many2.5" sata's ssd 3.5hdd's
Display(s) 1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24"/ 3rd LG 43" series
Case D450 | Cherry Entertainment center on Test bench
Audio Device(s) Built in Realtek x2 with 2-Insignia 2.0 sound bars & 1-LG sound bar
Power Supply EVGA 1000P2 with APC AX1500 | 850P2 with CyberPower-GX1325U
Mouse Redragon 901 Perdition x3
Keyboard G710+x3
Software Win-7 pro x3 and win-10 & 11pro x3
Benchmark Scores Are in the benchmark section
Serious question.
Is there any difference between Office 2016 and this??
I mean there is 0(ZERO) difference between 2016 and 2019 versions too.....
Hi,
2016 is a standalone product like older versions
2019 is cloud linked not sure it has a regular standalone version
 
Joined
Mar 16, 2017
Messages
1,637 (0.64/day)
Location
Tanagra
System Name Budget Box
Processor Xeon E5-2667v2
Motherboard ASUS P9X79 Pro
Cooling Some cheap tower cooler, I dunno
Memory 32GB 1866-DDR3 ECC
Video Card(s) XFX RX 5600XT
Storage WD NVME 1GB
Display(s) ASUS Pro Art 27"
Case Antec P7 Neo
BTW, Outlook is still actually Outlook 2016 and it shows up in the control panel mail icon and I think in about, what a con.
Sounds like you just found a new feature update for a future upgrade!

In all seriousness, I guess one thing we may have overlooked that’s not technically related to this discussion is MS bringing Office to browsers and mobile devices over the past 5-10 years, especially the iPad, where it works really well for many basic uses. At my work, those handful of documents I share can now be accessed and updated by iPad (which everyone already has for other reasons), which ironically reduces the need for several employees to use/own/lease Windows PCs. That’s perhaps the best benefit of MS365–the ability to use your account on multiple devices, including simply editing from a browser.
 
Joined
Dec 16, 2017
Messages
2,722 (1.19/day)
Location
Buenos Aires, Argentina
System Name System V
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard Asus Prime X570-P
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212 // a bunch of 120 mm Xigmatek 1500 RPM fans (2 ins, 3 outs)
Memory 2x8GB Ballistix Sport LT 3200 MHz (BLS8G4D32AESCK.M8FE) (CL16-18-18-36)
Video Card(s) Gigabyte AORUS Radeon RX 580 8 GB
Storage SHFS37A240G / DT01ACA200 / WD20EZRX / MKNSSDTR256GB-3DL / LG BH16NS40 / ST10000VN0008
Display(s) LG 22MP55 IPS Display
Case NZXT Source 210
Audio Device(s) Logitech G430 Headset
Power Supply Corsair CX650M
Mouse Microsoft Trackball Optical 1.0
Keyboard HP Vectra VE keyboard (Part # D4950-63004)
Software Whatever build of Windows 11 is being served in Dev channel at the time.
Benchmark Scores Corona 1.3: 3120620 r/s Cinebench R20: 3355 FireStrike: 12490 TimeSpy: 4624
Sounds like you just found a new feature update for a future upgrade!

In all seriousness, I guess one thing we may have overlooked that’s not technically related to this discussion is MS bringing Office to browsers and mobile devices over the past 5-10 years, especially the iPad, where it works really well for many basic uses. At my work, those handful of documents I share can now be accessed and updated by iPad (which everyone already has for other reasons), which ironically reduces the need for several employees to use/own/lease Windows PCs. That’s perhaps the best benefit of MS365–the ability to use your account on multiple devices, including simply editing from a browser.
Yes, the 365 personal subscription allows use of the full Office suite in 5 devices, unlike the standalone version which can only be used in one device. And the Family plan allows for up to six different users, with up to 5 devices each.
 
Joined
May 8, 2021
Messages
1,978 (1.87/day)
Location
Lithuania
System Name Shizuka
Processor Intel Core i5 10400F
Motherboard Gigabyte B460M Aorus Pro
Cooling Scythe Choten
Memory 2x8GB G.Skill Aegis 2666 MHz
Video Card(s) PowerColor Red Dragon V2 RX 580 8GB ~100 watts in Wattman
Storage 512GB WD Blue + 256GB WD Green + 4TH Toshiba X300
Display(s) BenQ BL2420PT
Case Cooler Master Silencio S400
Audio Device(s) Topping D10 + AIWA NSX-V70
Power Supply Chieftec A90 550W (GDP-550C)
Mouse Steel Series Rival 100
Keyboard Hama SL 570
Software Windows 10 Enterprise
I disagree somewhat with that statement. It sure feels like lately there's been little improvement that is worth a cent, but for many years Microsoft invested in Office and actually added a lot of functionality in it. It's just that we're reaching a point where the software is mostly consolidated and has most of the features we can ever think of.
Ever since 2007, I didn't feels like they added anything meaningful to new Office releases.


Not really, there are alternatives. The reality is most people don't feel the need to change, so they keep using Microsoft Office (and most of the times probably not even bothering to use anything newer than Office 2003/2007), and companies want support, so they turn to software companies that can provide that support without redirecting everyone to a half-hearted attempt at documentation. Hence Microsoft again, who also provides a bunch of companion services for businesses.
I disagree. LibreOffice and most Office alternatives still break doc and docx files. I'm also sure that for scientific use, Libre and others just don't have all commands and functions needed.


And that's where you're wrong. The only thing that's copyrighted is the code. Anyone else can implement the same functionality, as long as they don't copy the code from Office (not like they have access to it anyway).
That's just a fancy way of saying that Office is copyrighted. If doc, docx, xls, xlsx aren't free, then you can't really say that anyone can just make their own Office with same quality. Technically that is possible, but nobody will take chances of some of their work files being occasionally borked. It's not even that Office itself such a pain, but proprietary MS formats. Obviously switching from MS, which is worldwide standard at this point, is painful and most alternatives are simply worse.

Otherwise, how would alternatives like LibreOffice even exist?
Never underestimate linux fanboys.

Besides, Microsoft threw in and still throws in a lot of money into Office, like it or not. Why should they be stripped of their right to sell their own product in exclusivity?
Not real copyrights (office is too generic to be copyrightable)? Anti monopoly laws?
 
Joined
Feb 20, 2020
Messages
9,162 (6.11/day)
Location
Louisianna
System Name Ghetto Rigs z490|x99|Acer 17 Nitro 7840hs/ 5600c40-2x16/ 4060/ 1tb acer stock m.2/ 4tb sn850x
Processor 10900k w/Optimus Foundation | 5930k w/Black Noctua D15
Motherboard z490 Maximus XII Apex | x99 Sabertooth
Cooling oCool D5 res-combo/280 GTX/ Optimus Foundation/ gpu water block | Blk D15
Memory Trident-Z Royal 4000c16 2x16gb | Trident-Z 3200c14 4x8gb
Video Card(s) Titan Xp-water | evga 980ti gaming-w/ air
Storage 970evo+500gb & sn850x 4tb | 860 pro 256gb | Acer m.2 1tb/ sn850x 4tb| Many2.5" sata's ssd 3.5hdd's
Display(s) 1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24"/ 3rd LG 43" series
Case D450 | Cherry Entertainment center on Test bench
Audio Device(s) Built in Realtek x2 with 2-Insignia 2.0 sound bars & 1-LG sound bar
Power Supply EVGA 1000P2 with APC AX1500 | 850P2 with CyberPower-GX1325U
Mouse Redragon 901 Perdition x3
Keyboard G710+x3
Software Win-7 pro x3 and win-10 & 11pro x3
Benchmark Scores Are in the benchmark section
Hi,
Subscription is better known as a yearly cash cow.
 
Joined
Oct 19, 2007
Messages
8,185 (1.36/day)
Processor Intel i9 9900K @5GHz w/ Corsair H150i Pro CPU AiO w/Corsair HD120 RBG fan
Motherboard Asus Z390 Maximus XI Code
Cooling 6x120mm Corsair HD120 RBG fans
Memory Corsair Vengeance RBG 2x8GB 3600MHz
Video Card(s) Asus RTX 3080Ti STRIX OC
Storage Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB , 970 EVO 1TB, Samsung 850 EVO 1TB SSD, 10TB Synology DS1621+ RAID5
Display(s) Corsair Xeneon 32" 32UHD144 4K
Case Corsair 570x RBG Tempered Glass
Audio Device(s) Onboard / Corsair Virtuoso XT Wireless RGB
Power Supply Corsair HX850w Platinum Series
Mouse Logitech G604s
Keyboard Corsair K70 Rapidfire
Software Windows 11 x64 Professional
Benchmark Scores Firestrike - 23520 Heaven - 3670
Too many complaints? Or too few Microsoft 365 customers?
People dont want to pay a subscription fee for office. That was just dumb on MS's part to begin with.
 
Joined
Feb 13, 2016
Messages
3,061 (1.03/day)
Location
Buenos Aires
System Name Ryzen Monster
Processor Ryzen 5 5600X
Motherboard Asus ROG Crosshair Hero VII WiFi
Cooling Corsair H100i RGB Platinum
Memory Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB (4x8GB) 3200Mhz CMW16GX4M2C3200C16
Video Card(s) Asus ROG Strix RX5700XT OC 8Gb
Storage WD Black 500GB NVMe 250Gb Samsung SSD, OCZ 500Gb SSD WD M.2 500Gb, plus three spinners up to 1.5Tb
Display(s) LG 32GK650F-B 32" UltraGear™ QHD
Case Cooler Master Storm Trooper
Audio Device(s) Supreme FX on board
Power Supply Corsair RM850X full modular
Mouse Corsair M65 Pro
Keyboard Corsair Strafe RGB Silent
VR HMD Headphones Logitech G533 wireless
Software Windows 11 Start 11
Benchmark Scores 3DMark Time Spy 4532 (9258 March 2021, 9399 July 2021)
My brother subscribes to Office 365 and he invited both my wife and me to join the family plan, so we're lucky enough to take advantage of this. We're both heavy users of Office, not to mention the 1TB storage, which is invaluable.
Chuffed to bits, actually.
 
Joined
Dec 16, 2017
Messages
2,722 (1.19/day)
Location
Buenos Aires, Argentina
System Name System V
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard Asus Prime X570-P
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212 // a bunch of 120 mm Xigmatek 1500 RPM fans (2 ins, 3 outs)
Memory 2x8GB Ballistix Sport LT 3200 MHz (BLS8G4D32AESCK.M8FE) (CL16-18-18-36)
Video Card(s) Gigabyte AORUS Radeon RX 580 8 GB
Storage SHFS37A240G / DT01ACA200 / WD20EZRX / MKNSSDTR256GB-3DL / LG BH16NS40 / ST10000VN0008
Display(s) LG 22MP55 IPS Display
Case NZXT Source 210
Audio Device(s) Logitech G430 Headset
Power Supply Corsair CX650M
Mouse Microsoft Trackball Optical 1.0
Keyboard HP Vectra VE keyboard (Part # D4950-63004)
Software Whatever build of Windows 11 is being served in Dev channel at the time.
Benchmark Scores Corona 1.3: 3120620 r/s Cinebench R20: 3355 FireStrike: 12490 TimeSpy: 4624
People dont want to pay a subscription fee for office. That was just dumb on MS's part to begin with.
Actually, these days the subscription service brings in more revenue than traditional licensing
 
Joined
Oct 19, 2007
Messages
8,185 (1.36/day)
Processor Intel i9 9900K @5GHz w/ Corsair H150i Pro CPU AiO w/Corsair HD120 RBG fan
Motherboard Asus Z390 Maximus XI Code
Cooling 6x120mm Corsair HD120 RBG fans
Memory Corsair Vengeance RBG 2x8GB 3600MHz
Video Card(s) Asus RTX 3080Ti STRIX OC
Storage Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB , 970 EVO 1TB, Samsung 850 EVO 1TB SSD, 10TB Synology DS1621+ RAID5
Display(s) Corsair Xeneon 32" 32UHD144 4K
Case Corsair 570x RBG Tempered Glass
Audio Device(s) Onboard / Corsair Virtuoso XT Wireless RGB
Power Supply Corsair HX850w Platinum Series
Mouse Logitech G604s
Keyboard Corsair K70 Rapidfire
Software Windows 11 x64 Professional
Benchmark Scores Firestrike - 23520 Heaven - 3670
Joined
Feb 13, 2016
Messages
3,061 (1.03/day)
Location
Buenos Aires
System Name Ryzen Monster
Processor Ryzen 5 5600X
Motherboard Asus ROG Crosshair Hero VII WiFi
Cooling Corsair H100i RGB Platinum
Memory Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32GB (4x8GB) 3200Mhz CMW16GX4M2C3200C16
Video Card(s) Asus ROG Strix RX5700XT OC 8Gb
Storage WD Black 500GB NVMe 250Gb Samsung SSD, OCZ 500Gb SSD WD M.2 500Gb, plus three spinners up to 1.5Tb
Display(s) LG 32GK650F-B 32" UltraGear™ QHD
Case Cooler Master Storm Trooper
Audio Device(s) Supreme FX on board
Power Supply Corsair RM850X full modular
Mouse Corsair M65 Pro
Keyboard Corsair Strafe RGB Silent
VR HMD Headphones Logitech G533 wireless
Software Windows 11 Start 11
Benchmark Scores 3DMark Time Spy 4532 (9258 March 2021, 9399 July 2021)
People dont want to pay a subscription fee for office. That was just dumb on MS's part to begin with.
Quite the opposite of dumb. A sound business decision because you end up with regular cashflow.
 
Joined
Dec 16, 2017
Messages
2,722 (1.19/day)
Location
Buenos Aires, Argentina
System Name System V
Processor AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard Asus Prime X570-P
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212 // a bunch of 120 mm Xigmatek 1500 RPM fans (2 ins, 3 outs)
Memory 2x8GB Ballistix Sport LT 3200 MHz (BLS8G4D32AESCK.M8FE) (CL16-18-18-36)
Video Card(s) Gigabyte AORUS Radeon RX 580 8 GB
Storage SHFS37A240G / DT01ACA200 / WD20EZRX / MKNSSDTR256GB-3DL / LG BH16NS40 / ST10000VN0008
Display(s) LG 22MP55 IPS Display
Case NZXT Source 210
Audio Device(s) Logitech G430 Headset
Power Supply Corsair CX650M
Mouse Microsoft Trackball Optical 1.0
Keyboard HP Vectra VE keyboard (Part # D4950-63004)
Software Whatever build of Windows 11 is being served in Dev channel at the time.
Benchmark Scores Corona 1.3: 3120620 r/s Cinebench R20: 3355 FireStrike: 12490 TimeSpy: 4624
Ever since 2007, I didn't feels like they added anything meaningful to new Office releases.
Can't blame you. By that point most of the changes were mostly niche functions that not everyone uses or improvements on existing ones. With maybe one or two that saw relatively massive adoption.

Not real copyrights (office is too generic to be copyrightable)? Anti monopoly laws?
Microsoft really isn't stopping people from using different software suites, which is the whole point of anti-monopoly laws. And last I heard there was an estimate of some 200 million LibreOffice users in the world. Not a small amount. Though take it with a grain of salt, as that information came from a report commissioned by the Document Foundation (which is the developer of LibreOffice)

Business or consumer?
Forget I said anything. I can't find the hard numbers in the IR reports. There's the YoY growth in percentages, but that's useless without the revenue numbers.
They do say that growth has been driven mostly by 365 subscriptions and that traditional licensing is either declining or slowing down, but again, that's useless without knowing how much of the revenue is traditional licensing and how much is 365. The numbers below are from FY2021-Q4 (FY ending on June 30, btw) and are YoY (so, vs FY2020-Q4)
1633364485912.png
 
Joined
Jul 10, 2017
Messages
2,671 (1.09/day)
Yes, the 365 personal subscription allows use of the full Office suite in 5 devices, unlike the standalone version which can only be used in one device. And the Family plan allows for up to six different users, with up to 5 devices each.
Varies by region. In some you can only use it on 1 PC. Talk about cons, eh?
 
Top