Microsoft to make Windows 10 updates mandatory

[Pill Monster]

You may have a service disabled or something that prevents it from working. I'm using RTM just like you. It was broken on the day 1 release of rtm with stock settings at the very least.

I don't disable any services, prefer using group policy keys and things that might remain remotely in the realm of microsoft support... probable that they won't care how you disable it as long as it's disabled, but I try lol.

Idk but I'm over the whole thing tbh. The energy required to configure everything with powershell/regedit/GPedit etc etc isn't worth the results imho.


I'm happy with W7 so will prob just keep using it.

 

[R-T-B]

That's a fair philosophy. I just enjoy tinkering anyways.

But it is slowly becoming more irritating than fun, I may be right behind you.

 

[Easo]

1) move all user data to "the cloud"

2) move all user life info (connections, correspondence, thoughts) to "the cloud" via e-mail, cell phone conversations/environment monitoring, tapped computers/networking, and social networking online stuff like Facebook

3) have control over everything except the thoughts in a person's head, although those thoughts can now be profiled and anticipated


No control over anything except for those in power. This loss of control ...........................................

I thought conspiracy theories were not allowed here.

 

[R-T-B]

I thought conspiracy theories were not allowed here.

They are allowed, but just as nutty as ever.

 

[Mussels]

I thought conspiracy theories were not allowed here.

only when they're about moderators and admins.


this whole thing has convinced me to keep windows 8.1 on my laptop, so at least i can trust it not to reboot on me at random times.

 

[Pill Monster]

This thread on MS Insider with 900 replies pretty much sums up my pov. .

There is not a single redeeming thing about Windows 10, is there?

 

[Mussels]

This thread on MS Insider with 900 replies pretty much sums up my pov. .

There is not a single redeeming thing about Windows 10, is there?

some of my games run faster

 

[Pill Monster]

some of my games run faster

Lol yeah fair comment.

There is a single redeeming thing about Windows 10.


Fixed.

 

[...PACMAN...]

Fully updated, no issues, runs like a charm. It's not even technically "released' yet, give them time to get a firm hold on what people are requesting and stuff, it will all come good. Same goes for dodgy Nvidia and AMD drivers, it's a period of transition and in this "Want it now" culture people are far too quick to whine and moan. Give feedback and let them fix things (all though mines working great)

 

[Mussels]

Fully updated, no issues, runs like a charm. It's not even technically "released' yet, give them time to get a firm hold on what people are requesting and stuff, it will all come good. Same goes for dodgy Nvidia and AMD drivers, it's a period of transition and in this "Want it now" culture people are far too quick to whine and moan. Give feedback and let them fix things (all though mines working great)

SLI and crossfire don't work at present in win 10 thanks to wonky drivers, and you cant even force install older ones to make it work. i had to disable crossfire because it freezes all my media players.

people NEED to make a fuss about it, or complex PC's with SLI/Xfire/multi monitor and such will simply become more hassle than they're worth.

 

[...PACMAN...]

SLI and crossfire don't work at present in win 10 thanks to wonky drivers, and you cant even force install older ones to make it work. i had to disable crossfire because it freezes all my media players.

people NEED to make a fuss about it, or complex PC's with SLI/Xfire/multi monitor and such will simply become more hassle than they're worth.

And like I said it hasn't even been formally "released' yet, wonky drivers are going to happen at this time, it will come good. Either delay the update to the os or just use the one card and be happy until they fix it....1 month from now a lot of these complaints and issues will all be rectified and a thing of the past.

EDIT - Already agreed that feedback and making them aware of the issues is also needed.

 

[Mussels]

And like I said it hasn't even been formally "released' yet, wonky drivers are going to happen at this time, it will come good. Either delay the update to the os or just use the one card and be happy until they fix it....1 month from now a lot of these complaints and issues will all be rectified and a thing of the past.

EDIT - Already agreed that feedback and making them aware of the issues is also needed.

having been on this forum for about 300 years, i can assure you of one thing: Nvidia and AMD will never, ever release a perfect driver. Forced driver updates will simply rotate who's got a broken system.

 

[...PACMAN...]

having been on this forum for about 300 years, i can assure you of one thing: Nvidia and AMD will never, ever release a perfect driver. Forced driver updates will simply rotate who's got a broken system.

Oh come on , it's the nature of the beast. PC gaming will always have issues due to the high variance of configs....you know that. I haven't had any Nvidia driver issues, unfortunately, some people have recently but it seems like the newer cards were affected more. Again, transition.

 

[Mussels]

Oh come on , it's the nature of the beast. PC gaming will always have issues due to the high variance of configs....you know that. I haven't had any Nvidia driver issues, unfortunately, some people have recently but it seems like the newer cards were affected more. Again, transition.

its not the transition at all, the most common help solution to any video card drama is always rollback the drivers... and microsoft are trying to prevent that. I've got wifi issues on my laptop where i have to use a third party outdated driver to get it working at 300Mb, as the windows update driver locks it to 72Mb - won't that be fun on windows 10?

 

[...PACMAN...]

A hotfix or update will address issues. Think forwards, not backwards. Nvidia and AMD will soon up their game or identify the issues people are facing and I'm in no doubt that Microsoft will alter the full release after feedback is gathered.

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

So, let's have a bit of fun here, since it seems like heavier portions of the discussion have started to rule it.

Windows 7 is Vista with the fat cut, and properly optimized. Windows 8.1 is windows 8 with some of the more...interesting...decisions rolled back. Both 8.1 and 7 are very much respectable OS decisions, depending upon usage. Vista and 8 are functionally mistakes that have been rightly forgotten (8.1 can be argued to be a service pack, but in my experience it changed about as much as 7 did from Vista).

How long before we see a 10.1 release, that is functionally rolling back some of the more quirky changes? I know MS plans for 10 to be a rolling OS that could functionally be subscribed to, but who really thinks that plan is going to be followed? Two questions, I wonder how many answers are possible?

A hotfix or update will address issues. Think forwards, not backwards. Nvidia and AMD will soon up their game or identify the issues people are facing and I'm in no doubt that Microsoft will alter the full release after feedback is gathered.

Are you being sarcastic?

If not, that's the best joke I've heard all day. Between video card drivers being insanely pragmatic for certain configurations, and the dozens of companies which produce interacting hardware (Realtek drivers anyone?), MS can't really expect the manufacturers to update everything. Not even considering crap like the recent updates which borked tons of USB devices using non-authentic chips, how do you expect everyone to write entirely stable and universal drivers for their stuff?

 

[...PACMAN...]

So, let's have a bit of fun here, since it seems like heavier portions of the discussion have started to rule it.

Windows 7 is Vista with the fat cut, and properly optimized. Windows 8.1 is windows 8 with some of the more...interesting...decisions rolled back. Both 8.1 and 7 are very much respectable OS decisions, depending upon usage. Vista and 8 are functionally mistakes that have been rightly forgotten (8.1 can be argued to be a service pack, but in my experience it changed about as much as 7 did from Vista).

How long before we see a 10.1 release, that is functionally rolling back some of the more quirky changes? I know MS plans for 10 to be a rolling OS that could functionally be subscribed to, but who really thinks that plan is going to be followed? Two questions, I wonder how many answers are possible?


Are you being sarcastic?

If not, that's the best joke I've heard all day. Between video card drivers being insanely pragmatic for certain configurations, and the dozens of companies which produce interacting hardware (Realtek drivers anyone?), MS can't really expect the manufacturers to update everything. Not even considering crap like the recent updates which borked tons of USB devices using non-authentic chips, how do you expect everyone to write entirely stable and universal drivers for their stuff?

I thought you yanks didn't get sarcasm? But no, I wasn't. It's about time some of these companies upped their game and if Microsoft chooses to keep this form in place, I think it will encourage these companies to get their act together. How many times have we been shafted by companies who release a great product but then fail to update drivers.....a lot. In the end, it will encourage higher quality, fully tested drivers.

If certain brands/companies fail to provide, they will lose business - big time. PC gamers are also getting tired of faulty games being shipped out constantly. Arkham Knight anyone? With new refund procedures and multiple user reviews it has basically forced Rocksteady to rethink things and step up in the hope of reclaiming some vast amounts of revenue that has been lost.

 

[Mussels]

It'd be nice if they upped their game... but we know they can't. They've never been able to. the current driver issues show that incredibly well.

 

[...PACMAN...]

It'd be nice if they upped their game... but we know they can't. They've never been able to. the current driver issues show that incredibly well.

OK, I'll agree to disagree on this one. It will certainly be interesting over the next couple of months how things will evolve.

 

[Solaris17]

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930

Just because I havent heard anyone cry about this in 8 hours.

 

[Mussels]

wake up PC to play starcraft.

Notice my internet connection is maxed out... PC is downloading video card drivers on its own. well i guess no gaming for me for another hour.

 

[AsRock]

wake up PC to play starcraft.

Notice my internet connection is maxed out... PC is downloading video card drivers on its own. well i guess no gaming for me for another hour.

Or longer

 

[Mussels]

it downloaded cat 15.7 to install over cat 15.7 -.-

it should be noted that cat 15.7 breaks all video playback for me while in crossfire, so this is exactly why forced driver updates are a serious problem.

 

[Blue-Knight]

I think this thing of mandatory automatic updates, without user's consent make Windows to act more like a virus than anything else.

All the world "synchronized", NSA approves it! They will apply great patches to your OS.

Undesired drivers are the least of your concerns... LOL!

 

[R-T-B]

it downloaded cat 15.7 to install over cat 15.7 -.-

it should be noted that cat 15.7 breaks all video playback for me while in crossfire, so this is exactly why forced driver updates are a serious problem.

Try the "hide driver updates" vbscript posted in tweaks thread.

I think this thing of mandatory automatic updates, without user's consent make Windows to act more like a virus than anything else.

All the world "synchronized", NSA approves it! They will apply great patches to your OS.

Undesired drivers are the least of your concerns... LOL!

Do you REALLY think that if the NSA was doing this, it'd be as simple as a group policy key to turn it off? Every terrorist and his dog probably knows about that key if they are using this as a spy method.

Seriously, get sensible conspiracy theories at least...