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Might be worth waiting a few months for 3D Vcache Zen 3 CPUs

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Yes. But not in the way some Intel's DMCs, for example the P35, supported both DDR2 and DDR3. A motherboard can have either DDR4 or DDR5 slots but not both kinds.
Don’t forget X48.. I have a rampage formula DDR2 board :D
 
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So Alder Lake's IMC supports both DDR5 and DDR4?
Yep. I kinda hoped that there would be dual ddr5/ddr4 motherboards like before with previous gen switches but we haven't seen any in the leaks yet
 
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What's intriguing to me is that they have the same architecture as the existing processors, but the increased L3 cache is quite the promise, provided it delivers on the quasi-generational leap they're claiming thus far. I'm eager to see the reviews.

If it actually delivers in CPU-heavy games, I might just buy the new 16-core model and flip my 5950X for a relatively inexpensive, quick and painless upgrade that won't require a new platform for me (not really looking forward to dumping my B-die Dominator Platinums here, man), it should cover most of the bill :D
 

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Yes. But not in the way some Intel's DMCs, for example the P35, supported both DDR2 and DDR3. A motherboard can have either DDR4 or DDR5 slots but not both kinds.
Also Asus P5GDC for example had DDR & DDR2 slots back in the day. When there are HEDT boards with 8 slots and they still have the standard ATX layout, it shouldn't be a problem to have a combo board with six (or even 4) slots for people who aren't going to upgrade to new RAM immediately.

Or if it's electrically impossible, then it's a different thing.
 
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As far as I know, none of the previous hybrid DDR generation motherboards could actually have both the DDR2+DDR3 or DDR+DDR2 populated at the same time, they were always kind of a novelty "one or another" deal, so people could upgrade and then leave the memory upgrade for last. These began making less sense as memory costs decreased over time, but I'm fairly sure that the idea has probably been considered somewhere, at least with the less traditional OEMs :toast:
 
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Yep. I kinda hoped that there would be dual ddr5/ddr4 motherboards like before with previous gen switches but we haven't seen any in the leaks yet
Usually, we can forget about that, being that the current era, is IMCs, the FSB days are no more for Intel.
 
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The way supplies are lately I would not advise waiting months on anything presently at MSRP you might want... just saying.
 
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Seems a bit like a pointless release. It doesn't really matter that Zen 3 + cache is faster by 15%, it's not going to make much of difference. At this point AMD should be talking about next Zen, not a bit more polished Zen 3.
Ummm they are.... :kookoo:
 

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Yep. I kinda hoped that there would be dual ddr5/ddr4 motherboards like before with previous gen switches but we haven't seen any in the leaks yet
I think Asus has a pure DDR4 board for LGA1700 but nothing hybrid.
 
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I think Asus has a pure DDR4 board for LGA1700 but nothing hybrid.
They have several. All of the big manufacturers have duplicates of almost all their Alder Lake mbs in both ddr4 and ddr5 versions. Usually designated by a 4 or 5 in the name. Your right tho, there arent any dual memory boards yet.
Asrock 775dual-vsta comes to mind when i think back to dual memory ddr/ddr2 mbs. That was a great little ocer and cheap!
 
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Ummm they are.... :kookoo:
Then what's the point of this Zen 3+? AM4 is going to be discontinued and current AM4 users will likely not upgrade, those who want something nice, will go to Zen 4 and Zen 4 sales can be somewhat negatively impacted by this Zen 3+ release. Perhaps it could have worked in pre corona era as small quantity release, but now people would be far more motivated to only do really big upgrades and rarer.
 
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There's going to be a year of time between Zen 3 64MB and Zen 4.
 
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The way supplies are lately I would not advise waiting months on anything presently at MSRP you might want... just saying.


welcome to the real world of predicted shortages and hyper inflation.. he he..

it seem a lot of PC enthusiasts live in their own little sheltered world and are not aware of what is going on in the real one.. :)

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Then what's the point of this Zen 3+? AM4 is going to be discontinued and current AM4 users will likely not upgrade, those who want something nice, will go to Zen 4 and Zen 4 sales can be somewhat negatively impacted by this Zen 3+ release. Perhaps it could have worked in pre corona era as small quantity release, but now people would be far more motivated to only do really big upgrades and rarer.
Think about those who bought a Ryzen 5 3600/3600X (because it was a great value, and they planned to upgrade when something substantially better is available) along with a solid X570 or X470 board (because they specifically wanted something with a great upgrade path).

That said, AMD and partners absolutely should make older boards (at least X470, preferably B450 too) compatible with the last Zen 3 as a lot of potential buyers have those.
 
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Think about those who bought a Ryzen 5 3600/3600X (because it was a great value, and they planned to upgrade when something substantially better is available) along with a solid X570 or X470 board (because they specifically wanted something with a great upgrade path).

That said, AMD and partners absolutely should make older boards (at least X470, preferably B450 too) compatible with the last Zen 3 as a lot of potential buyers have those.
If you are buying value parts like 3600 or 3600X, then you should understand budgeting and understand that it takes time for CPU to pay off and thus you are simply not interested in upgrading every second or third gen and you keep using that 3600(X) for minimum of 6 years and basically don't give a shit about 30% gains even. You only upgrade when you get at the very least 2 times more IPC, perhaps more cores and (most importantly) at the same or slightly different price. If you upgrade more often, you get less value out of value parts and that's counter productive if you are interested in saving some cash. Also nowadays CPUs, in terms of performance, last quite a while. After 5 years your chip might still be able to push more than 60 fps in games. You also realize, that in your library, there are likely many older titles or really old titles, so even if your chip isn't able to run latest AAA games at 60 or 50 fps average, but does 40-30 fps, you still hold up from upgrading as latest AAA games make up just a tiny fraction of your game library. It might take literally decade for that to happen (2600K, 3770K, FX 83xx owners would agree). The whole point of chips like 3600(X) is that they last a long time while performing well and they are relatively cheap to buy. But if you don't understand that and upgrade more often than you should, then value proposition just isn't there. Therefore, these minor updates to Zen chip line up on dead end platform just make no sense for nearly anyone. Perhaps they make sense for Ryzen 5 1400/1600 owners, but their boards won't support them. And if you look at things rationally, there's just no real value proposition in those chips. The only reason why they exist is perhaps some PR, artificially inflating AM4 chip portfolio and more than anything satisfying OEM demands, that put them in Dells, HPs and other machines. Maybe AMD made more of them than they really need and thus will be offloading them to customers and will try to market them as value purchases, when they really aren't in most cases.
 
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@The red spirit Irrespective of IPC gains, for me what matters is how relevant my current CPU is and will be later on.

My i5 4690k is doing pretty well even in today's games. I'm only going to get a new PC because the new hardware offers many new features that the old one doesn't, plus I'm getting good value for my new components. Also, after a year or two I'll be looking to upgrade anyway, so why not now?
 
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Also, after a year or two I'll be looking to upgrade anyway, so why not now?
Maybe because some months later there will be a completely new CPU designs from Intel and AMD with DDR5. Nobody knows how much faster new chips will be, but what is clear is that something really major is coming. Right now you can only buy into dead end platform that won't be relevant as soon as new chips come out.
 
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I remember that when DDR5 launched it began with 2133MHz frequency. Who uses that these days?

Make no mistake: DDR5 will take a couple of years to mature. Question is whether you can wait that long for your next PC or not.



I wonder how long it'll take for early benchmarks of these CPUs(Zen 3+) to come out. I would love to see them compared against the current generation.
 
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I remember that when DDR5 launched it began with 2133MHz frequency. Who uses that these days?

Make no mistake: DDR5 will take a couple of years to mature. Question is whether you can wait that long for your next PC or not.
Hi, is there a performance benefit to high latency high bandwidth modules in comparison to bone stock ram? I always considered they were used in the high core count server section.
 
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I remember that when DDR5 launched it began with 2133MHz frequency. Who uses that these days?

Make no mistake: DDR5 will take a couple of years to mature. Question is whether you can wait that long for your next PC or not.



I wonder how long it'll take for early benchmarks of these CPUs(Zen 3+) to come out. I would love to see them compared against the current generation.
I'm pretty sure that many Skylake or Zen 1 users have RAM only that fast. Also Celerons and Pentiums are capped to only 2400 MHz JEDEC DDR4 speeds.
 
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