I just don't like any of the mouses logitech, razer and steelseries make, I really don't care about the performance since I won't be using for hardcore FPS and care more about handling in multitasking desktop environment but still being great for gaming as well RTS ..etc I dislike small mouses, I also dislike the "equivalent" in size logitech mouse that is really fat on the bottom, the position of the fingers is what I totally dislike and I don't want to spend months re-calibrating my mind and getting used to it. So I'm just going to buy the X8 if i can't find anything else, it's all about the handling, every other specs are fine with my needs. It was quite a dumb thing I did, i had the X5 mouse, then I bought the SidewinderTM which I thought was the latest, turned out to be the first ones, and I did some rage, broken or either loosened some stuff; i took it apart and I can see the middle click button is a bil long internal button very very bad build choice as the buttn is able to swivel and get out of position so the clicks don't register and it's making me even more enraged by the fact. I just hope it's heavy, if not, I'll throw the battery out and replace with some heavy metal, I'm using wired mode anyways. I'll fix it no matter what, i just absolutely don't want anything from logitech razer or steelseries, I don't even know much about the market so sometimes I'll just stay away from reseaching, so that's why I made this thread. I looked on the websites, nothing looks similar, I just don't want to look it's an eyesore , Mamba maybe but many switchers said Sidewinder has better handling.