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Modern Warfare 2 shock: No servers or mods for PC version!

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http://games.on.net/article/7188/Modern_Warfare_2_shock_No_servers_or_mods_for_PC_version

http://kotaku.com/5384057/new-moder...-service-will-definitely-reshape-pc-community

Call of Duty community manager Rob Bowling, also known as 'fourzerotwo', has confirmed in a podcast that the PC version of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 will not support user-created mods. Worse, it will not support dedicated servers. PC gamers will have to suffer peer-to-peer connections, just like their console-owning cousins.

Mr. Bowling could offer no defence for this move, and simply stated that: "The team's focusing on having it very equal on every platform" and "We're doing a lot of work on the back end."

Previous PC versions of CoD have supported dedicated servers. Their absence will apparently make the game "much more accessible to the PC community as a whole."
WHAT THE F$#%

Online petition Here

IW Officially responds:

Offical IW respones to MW2 PC players
Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:37 am

"Modern Warfare fansite bashandslash.com recently reported that Infinity Ward is removing dedicated server functionality from Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2. With dedicated servers and the server browser that comes with them replaced with custom-built matchmaking, PC gamers will have an online experience functionally identical to console players. Among other things, this means that clans can't run their own servers with their own mods and rulesets for their own private (or public, if they feel like crushing some scrubs for giggles) use.

Predictably, nerds across world took to the Internet with a wailing and a gnashing of teeth that would make the Left 4 Dead community proud. An online petition to bring back dedicated servers at the time of this writing stands at 100,000+ signatures. However -- and this may shock some gamers with advanced persecution complexes -- this move was not made to tweak the noses of the PC community. Infinity Ward heads Jason West and Vince Zampella explain the decision as a conscious effort to improve their game for the vast majority of their players.

"We're just prioritizing the player experience above the modders and the tuners," says West. He points toward the mounting feedback IW has received from PC fans of Modern Warfare who couldn't find a decent server to play on between all of the cheaters, the insular communities, and huge skill level disparities that the original game's community fractured into. "We thought maybe it would be cool if the fans could play the game," he laughs.

IW says that gameplay concerns for the majority of MW2 players are the overriding reasons for the decision. Zampella downplays the obvious piracy prevention angle (IW has cited numbers of people online playing illegal copies of Modern Warfare up to 60 percent). "The Steam stuff helps with the piracy. I don't know that the matchmaking stuff does," he notes. West takes a shot at the motives behind some of the outrage, noting that there's money to made by selling dedicates servers and adspace on them: "It's a little dubious. Some of the people complaining are complaining with their pocketbook."

Again and again during our conversation, West and Zampella hammer the point that hardcore PC players lose very little to this change relative to the returns that casual to moderate fans will see. Clans can set up private matches to do their training or what have you; all they lose is the ability to customize the game on a deeper level with mods and such. Infinity Ward sees the addition of solid matchmaking and community support like IW-run tournaments to the PC as a huge win, and not something that could be done under the old system.

Why not have both? West does not want to include dedicated servers alongside the custom-built backend, stating that it would just "bifurcate the community.""
F*#K Infinity Ward!

From Tim Edwards at PC Gamer:

The news that Modern Warfare 2 will not include code for dedicated multiplayer servers, instead relying on a yet to be revealed, peer-to-peer matchmaking service called IW.net, hasn't gone down well. At the last glance, 90,000 gamers had signed a petition asking for dedicated server support to be reinstated. Those gamers are right. I've signed the same petition, and I think you should, too. Here's why.

A dedicated server is a PC usually held within a bank of computers belonging to a private company or the game's own publisher. Dedicated server hosts have been part of PC gaming for decades; I think you can attribute some of the rise of multiplayer games like Counter-Strike and Call of Duty directly to their work.

Why?

1) Dedicated server hosts are judged by their reliability. If a server crashes, or an internet connection goes down, the gamers paying to host the game will complain, and they'll start to move elsewhere. This economic motivation forces server hosts to constantly improve their hardware, their internet connection, and their management tools. Compare that to the peer-to-peer networking that Infinity Ward developers are proposing, where the quality of the game will be entirely dependant on the gamer's own home web connection.

2) Dedicated servers are fair. Want to know why that player always seems to get the drop on you when you're playing Call of Duty on Xbox 360? It might be because he's the host of the game. In combat, data has to be bounced from his console, to yours, and back again, for you to impact on the game. Meanwhile, he doesn't have to wait on the round trip - he can fire as soon as he's ready. Hosts always have an advantage in peer-to-peer networked games.

3) Dedicated servers are adaptable. We don't know the details of what InfinityWard.net will offer, but there's little chance that the tickbox customisation options usually available to players in peer-to-peer matchmaking setups can match the level of control dedicated servers offer. That can include, but not be limited to: competitive players who run their own specific rulesets, to the spectator mode mods, to machinima friendly sets, to the expanded player counts, to the custom maps. That evolution of content is key to extending a PC game's lifespan, and improving that game. Enabling the community to host the mods and maps they choose is a good thing. Entire game development businesses have been built from gamers hosting dedicated servers for popular, low key games. Guys like Splash Damage (Enemy Territory, Brink), Tripwire Interactive (Red Orchestra, Killing Floor) simply wouldn't be around were it not for gamers putting up their own cash to pay for dedicated servers.

4) Dedicated servers create community. Don't think of them as a piece of hardware. Think of them as a place. PC Gamer hosts servers for Team Fortress 2, Killing Floor, and yes, Modern Warfare. We have plenty of regulars who are looking forward to playing Modern Warfare 2 together. If we had dedicated server code, we would definitely host our own place - it's good for our readers, and it's good to create magazine loyalty. Every month, we'll join the servers to play with them. We don't have to swap friends contacts, or pray that our skill levels will broadly match. We just double click the server, and we're playing together. PC Gamer isn't alone - communities worldwide love hosting servers for their members. Peer-to-peer matchmaking stops that happening. Now, that specific group of fans simply can't play together. Even worse, without dedicated servers we can't enforce our 'don't be a dick' policy. We can't ban racist or homophobic players, nor can we appoint our own moderators to look after our community when we're not online.

Modern Warfare 2 launches in twenty days. It would be nice to see Infinity Ward demonstrate what advantages InfinityWard.net can offer as soon as possible.

-Tim Edwards
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=225744&site=pcg
 
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Just Canceled Pre-order Thanks
Signed petition(41098) but i will not purchase this game now..We need to send a message
I guess this shows how much better Trey Arch is than Infinity Ward..
I am out right pissed off to hear this WTF!
Seriously my pre-order is canceled and I will not buy anything produced by Infinity Ward EVER again
 
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Just Canceled Pre-order Thanks
Signed petition but i will not purchase this game now..We need to send a message
I guess this shows how much better Trey Arch is than Infinity Ward..
I am out right pissed off to hear this WTF!
Seriously my pre-order is canceled and I will not buy anything produced by Infinity Ward EVER again
I know how you feel, I just canceled my pre-order also.

IW has BETRAYED US!
 
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I was gonna go pre-order all my games next week. Looks like I can take MW2 off the list. Wasn't really all that excited about it anyway..
 

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sigh... I pre ordered... but sigh... I was hopeing for dedicated servers.. but this match making is bull
 
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If your not playing like 40 people it just gets boring...I tried playing COD4-5 on the xbox but with 16 player max or 12 whatever it is it's just boring...I can't believe they didn't say this earlier...why wait until 30 days b4 it comes out...Sigh I'm so disapointed
 
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Terrible decision.

Hopefully COD4 PC will come down in Price soon. COD4 is one of my favorite PS3 games. As soon as PC version price goes down I'm jumping on it.
 
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I think ill pass as well, that's just sad.
 
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Screw MW2 and Screw IFW!
 
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Looks like they are going to have to Ban MW or add the server if they want this game to sell for PC. So not getting this game.
 
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Ok here is what gets me...
MW2 is based on the same engine as mw1...
And they can't make it for servers....
cheap...cheap...cheap...
when economies are like this you would think they would go the extra mile to get people to buy it...
 
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And yet another reason to give PC gamers the option to pirate a game...
 

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Not that important to me since I never played MP when I had COD4, but that is still bullshit. Seems like all of the publishers are fucking the PC these days.
 
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Somehow though, i dont think they are going to care what a petition says. I hope im wrong.
 

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Of course they wont...
I hope they feel satisfaction for their stupid decision when they watch the MW2 sales being terrible while all gamers will carry on playing MW1 for the years to come...
I ll be one of them!
 
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There is a MW 2 thread you know and this subject is already being discussed, so if people would kindly comment it there, thank you.
 
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how the fuk would this make it (much more accessible to the PC community as a whole) what a silly company. i hope this doesnt start a trend of pc games with no mod supportand not bieng able to pick a game that looks good to you.
 

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There is a MW 2 thread you know and this subject is already being discussed, so if people would kindly comment it there, thank you.
Except that this thread deals with only the server issue and petition. If he posted it in the thread you mentioned, most people would've never seen this, myself included.

This is a topic that deserves a new thread. Nobody should have to dig thru 3 pages of a thread they may not otherwise be interested in just to get this news.
 
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Very true Wile-E
 
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And yet another reason to give PC gamers the option to pirate a game...
Very Very Very True! The biggest form of anti piracy is having a online part of the game that can only be played with a legit serial. Well it is for me, thats for sure. I will be playing the single player anyway :laugh:
 
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Just cancelled my server pre-order for my clan after informing my host of this. They're as pissed off as we are, IFW NEVER told them about this, even though they've been on the pre-order list for months :\
 
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Im really upset about this. Its just sad that they decided to release this information so close to launch day.
 
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Petition'd. Jesus with practically fifty thousand petitions you'd think something would happen :/
 
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you would think so...
 
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