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The law has been in place for nearly 45 years.

Its up to consumers to be knowledgable, but it is expressly covered, that any ambiguity within a companies warranty "rules" will work against the writer of the rules & not the consumer. Years ago when I used to do work servicing Dell products, I contacted support in regards to an issue involving the "void if removed" stickers ,and the (the agent i was speaking with) out right admitted to me they (VIR stickers) don't apply in the US. Within the last 10 years I've had a couple companies admit the same thing, the problem is knowing something to be true, & being able to do anything about it are entirely different. Another problem would be that federal law (as in the one I linked above) only applies to the US, but these protections have been in place for a long time

As far as a given product costing more than it cost to make, that's just basic market demand/business. It isn't how much it cost to make, it's how much it's worth to the buyer. If one phone is too expensive for your liking, Buy a lower end model. It's such a first world problem ,to complain that the highest end phone is too expensive, but I bet that you still bought it :rolleyes: . There's phones that cost under $50, just buy one of them, and keep in mind material costs ,& Assembly are not the only expenses when manufacturing components/products. There's the proprietary technology, insurance for employees, material costs, shipping concerns, legal teams, and an infinite Number of other expenses that help to drive these prices up. But if you think it's expensive how it is now, try building one yourself, it'll cost you $20,000 to build the same phone that you can get for $800.

This reminds me of a video I saw, where a man was telling a story about a guy who got tired of paying eight dollars for his bacon lettuce and tomato sandwich, so he decided he would try to do it himself for less.

He bought the tomato and lettuce seeds, spent six months growing them, got the grain of wheat and processed it to make the bread, bought a pig, slaughtered and butchered it.....It ended up costing in the thousands for the same bacon lettuce tomato sandwich ,that he could've gotten for eight bucks without the year long wait.
Convenience is an easily overlooked aspect as a consumer
 
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Sure I have. I've watched him before. I also called you a tool.


Look, I might actually despise Linus more than you, but this time he actually has some really good points about the low and quite possibly illegal tactics engaged in by Apple.

I know you’re a smart guy, show everyone else you are too by not ignoring the message simply because of the messenger.
 

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Sorry lex, I can't play the video at the moment since I've got audio problems on my PC (popping noises and cutting out intermittently). :( Done some troubleshooting, but problem still there for now. I'll start a thread on it if I need help.
 

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OK so what's the difference between Samsung and Apple when it comes to the profit that's made from a sale of one of their phones? About $150.

Face it, there's more to the cost of a device than just the parts that go into making it. There's software and hardware development, research and development, the support teams behind said product, cost of building said product, shipping, etc. Like most things it's not just all black and white here, there's a lot of stuff in between that nobody thinks about because more often than not people see huge revenues as proof that they must be some evil corporation because well... they must be.

Yes, this is coming from an iPhone user but that's the only Apple product that I own. They can keep their Macs, I prefer to build my own PCs.

Samsung ?, really at least you can order a replacement part from them if need be, unlike Apple.
 
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Samsung ?, really at least you can order a replacement part from them if need be, unlike Apple.
Oh wait... then iFixIt must be selling nothing here. Yes, that must be it.
 

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That's the reason why apple got more money than their competitors
 
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Those are 3rd party parts not OEM
So what? If it works, who cares who made the part? In the end, all that matters is if you have a repaired device.
 

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So what? If it works, who cares who made the part? In the end, all that matters is if you have a repaired device.
Problem is 3rd party parts quality is a hit or miss

LCDs aren’t as bright as OEMs
Batteries don’t hold charges as long
Digitizers are very weak and sometimes have touch issues versus OEM

And major parts can’t even be found in 3rd party
 
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Problem is 3rd party parts quality is a hit or miss

LCDs aren’t as bright as OEMs
Batteries don’t hold charges as long
Digitizers are very weak and sometimes have touch issues versus OEM

And major parts can’t even be found in 3rd party
OK, I'll give you that. But then again... if you didn't break your phone and you were careful with it then you're not going to be in the situation that warrants a repair in the first place.

I don't know about you but most people seem to be very careless when it comes to handling their devices. I've owned a lot of smartphones going back to even as old as the Blackberry and you know what? I've not broken one screen, not one! Why? Because I'm careful, I care for my devices. I understand that they're expensive so I treat them with care.
 

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OK, I'll give you that. But then again... if you didn't break your phone and you were careful with it then you're not going to be in the situation that warrants a repair in the first place.

I don't know about you but most people seem to be very careless when it comes to handling their devices. I've owned a lot of smartphones going back to even as old as the Blackberry and you know what? I've not broken one screen, not one! Why? Because I'm careful, I care for my devices. I understand that they're expensive so I treat them with care.
I only know these things because I’ve repaired Apple Phones, Tablets, and iPods before. And sometimes with iPhones it may not be the customers fault. Remember the battery issue in iPhone 6S, that was a defect from factory and I’ve even seen iPhones crack while in someone’s pocket and not even being touched.

I tend to be careful as possible with my devices but some aren’t so lucky especially those with kids.
 
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So what? If it works, who cares who made the part? In the end, all that matters is if you have a repaired device.

Have you ever worked in repair industry (automotive, marine, anything)? OEM can matter. On the flip side, some aftermarket parts are superior.
 
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FTC recently ruled that warranty service cannot hinge on a sticker.
That was not a recent "ruling". What they did was "remind" several companies in a formal letter that such strong-armed tactics were already prohibited by the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act which was enacted way back in 1975.

FTC Staff Warns Companies that It Is Illegal to Condition Warranty Coverage on the Use of Specified Parts or Services
Right!

And that FTC warning was discussed in exhausting detail here. No need to rehash it gain.

Way back when I was starting up my computer repair business and I was looking into becoming an authorized service provider for several makers. So I looked into Apple. Before I could even get started becoming authorized, I had to sign NDAs for stuff that made no sense to me. I had to sign NDAs for other companies too - but for obvious, normal non-disclosure topic. So I backed out and refused to deal with Apple. Other techs I know did the same thing.

Apple handles every thing in a proprietary way - even every detail of their service support. :(

Have you ever worked in repair industry (automotive, marine, anything)? OEM can matter.
The point is repair under warranty. I can understand (in some cases) where OEM parts for warranty service might be required in order to maintain the warranty.

As for automotive - there typically are exceptions when it comes to "preventative" maintenance. Specifically, you are allowed to use 3rd party oil and air filters, and 3rd party oil as long as they meet published industry standards for that car. You can even do the oil changes yourself and NOT void the warranty. But you cannot tear apart the engine and replace the pistons with 3rd party pistons and expect the rest of the engine warranty to be intact.

This is why those warranty stickers are illegal on PCs. Users have a responsibility to keep the interior clean of heat trapping dust. And users have a right to add RAM or a new drive. The ONLY way those stickers would be valid is if the PC maker provides all cleaning and upgrade labor for free during the warranty period.
 
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*sigh* this topic is going nowhere substantial and it wasn't going to from the moment someone posted a Linus video to kick it off. Inb4 a stream of Youtube links that bring us nowhere...

Come on guys, this 'news' is really quite old. If you're bored, go play a game or something... We're not gonna be changing a single bit about this reality anyway. The stakes are too high
 

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So what? If it works, who cares who made the part? In the end, all that matters is if you have a repaired device.

As it's sad you have to hope that you can get the parts, and on top of that theire is a chance Apple will disable or cripple the phone in some way by using 3rd party parts.
 

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As it's sad you have to hope that you can get the parts, and on top of that theire is a chance Apple will disable or cripple the phone in some way by using 3rd party parts.
Yep, happened with "unauthorized" home buttons no longer recognizing fingerprints after a software update. They quickly fixed it...
 
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I can't tell you how much I hate apple phones to I love my Google pixel 2 xl going to get the 3 later this year. If you look under Google story for news and crap it's all stories about people and how much they love iPhones it's kinda stupid.
 

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I can't tell you how much I hate apple phones to I love my Google pixel 2 xl going to get the 3 later this year. If you look under Google story for news and crap it's all stories about people and how much they love iPhones it's kinda stupid.
iPhones are just tiny iPads. :)
 
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*sigh* this topic is going nowhere substantial and it wasn't going to from the moment someone posted a Linus video to kick it off. Inb4 a stream of Youtube links that bring us nowhere...

Come on guys, this 'news' is really quite old. If you're bored, go play a game or something... We're not gonna be changing a single bit about this reality anyway. The stakes are too high
What's so bad about a linus video or other youtube vids?
 
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I also called you a tool.
Childishness at it's best. This post was meant to bring to attention a legitimately serious problem and you feel the need to hurl insults. Really says more about you than anything/anyone else.
The law has been in place for nearly 45 years.
This. The Magnuson-Moss act also protects a consumers right to repair and have access to parts not available through or approved by the manufacturer.
So what? If it works, who cares who made the part? In the end, all that matters is if you have a repaired device.
This illustrates the point; At least you can buy third party replacement parts. Apple has a strangle hold on the parts for it products, something that is technically unlawfully as it prevents self repair by an owner of the product in question.
*sigh* this topic is going nowhere substantial and it wasn't going to from the moment someone posted a Linus video to kick it off. Inb4 a stream of Youtube links that bring us nowhere... Come on guys, this 'news' is really quite old. If you're bored, go play a game or something... We're not gonna be changing a single bit about this reality anyway. The stakes are too high
That is an opinion clearly not shared by everyone.
 

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So what? If it works, who cares who made the part? In the end, all that matters is if you have a repaired device.
Theres also the problem that they stop at the 7. latest phones changing out some parts is impossible or with an update can brick the phone among other issues. Apple will say its unintentional but its done on purpose so that the unsuspecting user will think oh man phones dead gotta buy a new one.

I suggest watching Louis Rossman rather than Linus in regards to Apple's bs shenanigans
 

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Theres also the problem that they stop at the 7. latest phones changing out some parts is impossible or with an update can brick the phone among other issues. Apple will say its unintentional but its done on purpose so that the unsuspecting user will think oh man phones dead gotta buy a new one.

I suggest watching Louis Rossman rather than Linus in regards to Apple's bs shenanigans
Oh what about the recent issue where if iPhone X got to cold it shutdown. What kind of phone can’t handle cold weather :roll:
 
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I suggest watching Louis Rossman rather than Linus in regards to Apple's bs shenanigans
Good info is good info regardless of the source. Louis also has a lot of great info about dirty dealings with Apple, including the rather vapid legal threat.

Just FYI, this is not an "Apple witch-hunt". Apple has, in past few years since the passing of Steve Job, crossed a number of lines that need not be crossed. They need to be put back over those lines.

Oh what about the recent issue where if iPhone X got to cold it shutdown. What kind of phone can’t handle cold weather :roll:
Actually, all of them. It has to do with the Lithium Ion batteries. If they get too hot they fry, if they get too cold, they can not provide the device they power with enough voltage to operate properly, which can cause data corruption to the storage and even hard-bricking of the device(I've personally seen this). This was a good move by Apple.
 
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