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4.7ghz is what I see a majority max out it, I see another good chunk at 4.8 but that's about it.


On air yes because of lower temps, but besides a few minor upgrades which allow some better voltages its the exact same chip so the overclocking has not really changed. They are just better for temps without delidding because of the better TIM. Most places I see still top out on average the 4.6-4.8 range same with the 4770k (albeit this is achievable on air now).
even if they both max out the same, the fact that the 4790k only gained 4 watts of tdp at 500MHZ higher clock shows the better bin. You wouldn't purposefully choose an inferior bin would you?All to end up with a hotter less efficient version of the same thing? That doesn't make any sense. There's no reason for anyone buying new to get choose the 4770K over the 4790K unless there is a significant price difference.
 
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Well either way I'm not going to be able to run the board/CPU until after the 31st. I'm going to see my biological mother for a little under two weeks after not seeing her for 14 years.
 
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even if they both max out the same, the fact that the 4790k only gained 4 watts of tdp at 500MHZ higher clock shows the better bin. You wouldn't purposefully choose an inferior bin would you?All to end up with a hotter less efficient version of the same thing? That doesn't make any sense. There's no reason for anyone buying new to get choose the 4770K over the 4790K unless there is a significant price difference.
15watts according to Toms Hardware but thats besides the point. I previously said that gettings the 4790k over the 4770k now is an obvious choice unless price difference is significant. However the chip still overclocks to the same levels which needs to be noted espeically considering some people have considered buying this as an upgrade. I am stating out that you will probably not get any different overclock on average chip to chip except when considering air cooling.
 
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15watts according to Toms Hardware but thats besides the point. I previously said that gettings the 4790k over the 4770k now is an obvious choice unless price difference is significant. However the chip still overclocks to the same levels which needs to be noted espeically considering some people have considered buying this as an upgrade. I am stating out that you will probably not get any different overclock on average chip to chip except when considering air cooling.
I don't trust Tom's Hardware like I used to. They'll review something and completely miss the point of said product they reviewed. But I'm going by what you guys are saying and honestly. As long as the board I was helped to pick out can handle the 4790k + a little OC'ing in the later days, then I'll be fine. I do know my next "big" upgrade will be a PSU and GPU bump because I know that the 4790k will hold for a good amount of time. I've seen people still rocking the 1stGen i7s and a friend still runs a Non-K i7 2600. If they can rock a chip for such a long time, so can I.
 
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I don't trust Tom's Hardware like I used to. They'll review something and completely miss the point of said product they reviewed. But I'm going by what you guys are saying and honestly. As long as the board I was helped to pick out can handle the 4790k + a little OC'ing in the later days, then I'll be fine. I do know my next "big" upgrade will be a PSU and GPU bump because I know that the 4790k will hold for a good amount of time. I've seen people still rocking the 1stGen i7s and a friend still runs a Non-K i7 2600. If they can rock a chip for such a long time, so can I.
Go for it, its a good choice and a better choice seeing as you can get one that cheap. I was just meaning if you were choosing (I orignally interpreted you had a 4770k only for 175 and not 4790k choice). The motherboard selections you have been given are all excellent and should last you quite a long time. With the way things are going, your probably going to be able to keep your motherboard and processor for 4+ years.
 
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Go for it, its a good choice and a better choice seeing as you can get one that cheap. I was just meaning if you were choosing (I orignally interpreted you had a 4770k only for 175 and not 4790k choice). The motherboard selections you have been given are all excellent and should last you quite a long time. With the way things are going, your probably going to be able to keep your motherboard and processor for 4+ years.
I could probably push for 6 years but then again. I gotta fill out 20 job application forms due to me getting my GED right after I applied for them all. :banghead:
 
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TDP doesn't mean anything...

And yes, I'd think it will be able to hold on for 6 years without much trouble. I just pulled the i5-4440 out of my brothers rig and replaced it with a 4GHz E7200, and he can't notice the difference.
 
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15watts according to Toms Hardware but thats besides the point. I previously said that gettings the 4790k over the 4770k now is an obvious choice unless price difference is significant. However the chip still overclocks to the same levels which needs to be noted espeically considering some people have considered buying this as an upgrade. I am stating out that you will probably not get any different overclock on average chip to chip except when considering air cooling.
They don't appear to check the 4770k at similar frequencies, odd. The review overall is not in the formal tone you'd expect. At any rate tdp isn't power draw. Looking the reviews on this site the 4770k at 4.2GHZ (200MHZ lower than the turbo speed on the 4790k) The load temps are quite high even on the best air coolers.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Thermaltake/NiC_C5/6.html

Then looking at someone who did a more clock for clock comparison the results are pretty interesting.

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...devils-canyon-fix-haswells-low-clock-speeds/2

Power consumption is pretty much equal until higher frequencies where the 4770k starts to need more power per clock if ever so slightly.
Heat is astounding 9C at low clocks 18C at higher clocks.

This will affect longevity and how long you can maintain certain clocks. While devils canyon isn't more capable max clock wise, the efficiency has improved significantly.

So yeah if you have a 4770K park there for a while, but don't consider it at all if you're buying new.
 
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I'd still delid both. But as the reviews say, there is no point in getting a 4770k if you can get a 4790k
 
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Well either way I'm not going to be able to run the board/CPU until after the 31st. I'm going to see my biological mother for a little under two weeks after not seeing her for 14 years.
14 years! Congrats on that and I hope it goes well.

I've seen people still rocking the 1stGen i7s and a friend still runs a Non-K i7 2600. If they can rock a chip for such a long time, so can I.
I still have an i7-870 and a i7-2600K. The 870 is still pretty darn fast and the 2600K really games well,......still.
 
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So I have some news about my board and whatnot. I contacted ASUS finally and they had me

-Take out and put back in the battery

-USB bios flashback

-Boot with minimum requirements

Waiting for a call back. Smells like it'll be an RMA due to the three year warrenty.
 
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So wait this is the old AM3+?
 
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Yeah, the M5A97. They said they would call back.. That was 30 minutes ago.
 
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How old's the board?

Hope you get your $$$ :)
 

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i had litteraly 100% Sli scaling in many games with 8800gt (crysis 20 one 40+ in sli, cod4 40+ one 70-80+ for sli. ut3 same. world in conflict 90+% ). it was 6 years ago. so please dont tell me they got worse over the years. if scaling is 50-70% something else in the system has an effect. so maybe i got lucky but i had wonderful experience with my sli setup. except for micro stuttrler.
Yeah, I don't really know what he is talking about. I see 90%+ scaling in games all the time when I look at SLI reviews. What i found the other day looking at 780 SLI reviews is the scaling gets better the higher the resolution is, but obviously that is pretty self explanatory.

@Lightbulbie

Go with a 4690k and MSI Z97 Gaming 5

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130770&cm_re=MSI_z97-_-13-130-770-_-Product
 
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Yeah, I don't really know what he is talking about. I see 90%+ scaling in games all the time when I look at SLI reviews. What i found the other day looking at 780 SLI reviews is the scaling gets better the higher the resolution is, but obviously that is pretty self explanatory.
So SLI is less effective at higher framerates? Don't exactly see how that works.
 

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So SLI is less effective at higher framerates? Don't exactly see how that works.
No, its less effective when there is less load per GPU. At lower resolution, there's less load on the GPU, and it becomes and issue of CPU bottleneck.
 
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So basically at lower resolutions you were running into a CPU bottleneck... That aside, I'd expect SLI/CF to perform/scale the same regardless of resolution, as long as the FPS is kept below potential CPU/memory bottlenecking.
 
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Yeah, I don't really know what he is talking about. I see 90%+ scaling in games all the time when I look at SLI reviews. What i found the other day looking at 780 SLI reviews is the scaling gets better the higher the resolution is, but obviously that is pretty self explanatory.

@Lightbulbie

Go with a 4690k and MSI Z97 Gaming 5

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130770&cm_re=MSI_z97-_-13-130-770-_-Product
I'm paying $175 for a 4790k..

Also! The last phone call with ASUS. They said they would call me back after about 5-10 minutes. This was last night and still no call... I did give them my correct number so... Lol.
 

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I'm paying $175 for a 4790k..

Also! The last phone call with ASUS. They said they would call me back after about 5-10 minutes. This was last night and still no call... I did give them my correct number so... Lol.
And? Its no like you need a very high end board. Overclocking comes to your CPU most of the time.
 
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Benchmark Scores Technical term is PEBCAK issue, which stands for Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard
And? Its no like you need a very high end board. Overclocking comes to your CPU most of the time.
The extra threads will come in as very useful with the things I do.
 

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The extra threads will come in as very useful with the things I do.
What does that have to do with anything? We are talking boards here, not whether or not the threads will be useful.
 
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What does that have to do with anything? We are talking boards here, not whether or not the threads will be useful.
But I already picked a board.
 
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How did the meet with your mother go? (since you mentioned it in post 152)

You'll like the 4790K a lot. The i7 parts are worth the extra money if you can afford them and $175.00 is a steal of a deal.

I hope you get that RMA from ASUS. Maybe you should call them if they haven't called you.
You know the old saying,......"The squeaky wheel gets the grease"
 

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But I already picked a board.
Oh the Gigabyte Gaming 5. Good board then.

Also to note on a previous post of yours about 4790k and if your PSU can handle the heat? Not really sure what you mean about that, but heat of the CPU has nothing to do with whether or not a PSU can handle it, as heat doesn't have much to do with the CPUs power consumption. 4770k runs just as hot if not hotter depending on the chip you get, than a 3770k, but consumes less power.