Motherboard wont post on reboot

jgunning · Nov 25, 2012

Ok,

So new question! =)

http://www.msi.com/product/mb/P4M890M-L-IL.html#/?div=Overview

That is the motherboard.
Cpu is a dual core 2.3ghz, with an ati 9600gt, 2gb RAM

Problem: Turn the PC on - post fine. Use to button to reboot on the face of the machine posts fine, if i use restart in windows to reboot, shuts down then upon reboot it doesnt post?!
Then I just hit restart button on my box and it reboots and posts again?!

So it only doesnt post when i use restart in windows. Even like after windows update, and hit "restart now" it shuts down then doesnt post when it reboots until i do a hard reset via the button on the front..

ideas..?!

Bios is latest version, updated all drivers. Cleared cmos..googled it with no luck so far..So im at a loose end.

Cheers guys

Law-II · Nov 25, 2012

jgunning said:
2gb RAM

Hi

What ram is it? brand and model number

nb: option 1 could try this, power down; remove ram; clean the blades with coffee filter and isopropyl alcohol; use air duster on DIMM slots [or skip to option 2] and then option 2 *reseat the memory modules

atb (all the best)

Law-II

jgunning · Nov 25, 2012

Law-II said:
Hi

What ram is it? brand and model number

nb: option 1 could try this, power down; remove ram; clean the blades with coffee filter and isopropyl alcohol; use air duster on DIMM slots [or skip to option 2] and then option 2 *reseat the memory modules

atb (all the best)

Law-II

Note sure on the model of the ram, I will check when i get home from work

I have already cleaned the ram and all other components for that reason. and I have already reseated the modules.. =\

I am at a loose end!Cant find an answer?!Any other ideas anyone...? :confused:

Law-II · Nov 25, 2012

jgunning said:
Note sure on the model of the ram, I will check when i get home from work
I have already cleaned the ram and all other components for that reason. and I have already reseated the modules.. =\

I am at a loose end!Cant find an answer?!Any other ideas anyone...?

Hi

You could try - If you havent already; run scandisk on your hdd and swap the hdd cable out

atb

Law-II

jgunning · Nov 25, 2012

Law-II said:
Hi

You could try - If you havent already; run scandisk on your hdd and swap the hdd cable out

atb

Law-II

You think that could stop it posting on reboot..? I havent done that but I am open to all suggestions.I will try that and report back tonight :toast:

drdeathx · Nov 25, 2012

jgunning said:
You think that could stop it posting on reboot..? I havent done that but I am open to all suggestions.I will try that and report back tonight

Yes, that happened to me but did you do a fresh install of windows?

Iceni · Nov 26, 2012

Might be the PSU not cycling fast enough for the software reboot.

Hardware reboot, Hit the button, caps drain, Hit the power on button. (true power cycling).

Software reboot, Windows dies and the motherboard instantly restarts before the caps have drained. Effect the motherboard sends the signal to the PSU, but the PSU is not ready to respond. It could equally be the SMPS circuits on the PSU playing up.

You could test it with a different PSU and see if the problem vanishes. Or put that PSU in another machine and see if you can recreate the problem.

jgunning · Nov 26, 2012

drdeathx said:
Yes, that happened to me but did you do a fresh install of windows?

Really..?Yes It is a brand new fresh install with the problem.

Iceni said:
Might be the PSU not cycling fast enough for the software reboot.

Hardware reboot, Hit the button, caps drain, Hit the power on button.

Software reboot, Windows dies and the motherboard instantly restarts before the caps have drained. Effect the motherboard sends the signal to the PSU, but the PSU is not ready to respond.

You could test it with a different PSU and see if the problem vanishes.

And I have already tried different psu and gpu. =\

There has to be a logical explanation as to why this computer does this?! :confused:

jgunning · Nov 26, 2012

Iceni said:
Might be the PSU not cycling fast enough for the software reboot.

Hardware reboot, Hit the button, caps drain, Hit the power on button. (true power cycling).

Software reboot, Windows dies and the motherboard instantly restarts before the caps have drained. Effect the motherboard sends the signal to the PSU, but the PSU is not ready to respond. It could equally be the SMPS circuits on the PSU playing up.

You could test it with a different PSU and see if the problem vanishes. Or put that PSU in another machine and see if you can recreate the problem.

I havent tried that psu in a different system. But have swapped psu's in that system and the problem remains.I have a feeling it is something to do with the motherboard.I havent swapped the ram because I dont have any to replace it with - because its old.But have swapped psu's and gpu's, I have re-seated the ram modules, done a fresh install of windows..sooo lost! :cry:

Iceni · Nov 26, 2012

If you've already done all of the above and your still having problems you might want to start thinking about a full strip down and rebuild.

When you do the rebuild make sure everything is 100%, all motherboard risers in place (might be a slow grounding issue), CPU clean, New TIM, Backplate properly in place, Sata connectors in solid, ect ect.

If it still presents a problem after that the only solution I can think of is always doing a cold shutdown instead of restarts. The pc is running so it's not something that's overly bad, just annoying.

jgunning · Nov 26, 2012

Iceni said:
If you've already done all of the above and your still having problems you might want to start thinking about a full strip down and rebuild.

When you do the rebuild make sure everything is 100%, all motherboard risers in place (might be a slow grounding issue), CPU clean, New TIM, Backplate properly in place, Sata connectors in solid, ect ect.

If it still presents a problem after that the only solution I can think of is always doing a cold shutdown instead of restarts. The pc is running so it's not something that's overly bad, just annoying.

Yea I think thats probably worth doing.

That is right though, it isnt a major issue.It just is frutrating.lol!

Cheers :toast:

drdeathx · Nov 26, 2012

Try a friends hard drive

jgunning · Nov 26, 2012

drdeathx said:
Try a friends hard drive

I have heaps of hard drives at home.You think that might make a difference..?

drdeathx · Nov 26, 2012

jgunning said:
I have heaps of hard drives at home.You think that might make a difference..?

This will elimnate if the drive is bad.

itsakjt · Nov 26, 2012

Your CPU may be overheating. I had this problem once on my Pentium 4. I mounted the cooler incorrectly causing it to operate at 90 degree C. If I restarted from Windows, it wont POST. I suspect to be the cache memory not clearing up fully due to high temperature. Check temps. Use HWMonitor.

jgunning · Nov 26, 2012

drdeathx said:
This will elimnate if the drive is bad.

Ok will check.

itsakjt said:
Your CPU may be overheating. I had this problem once on my Pentium 4. I mounted the cooler incorrectly causing it to operate at 90 degree C. If I restarted from Windows, it wont POST. I suspect to be the cache memory not clearing up fully due to high temperature. Check temps. Use HWMonitor.

And thanks, I had already had that exact thought and checked my temps.And all is fine.. :banghead:

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