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Looks to me that the Prime and TUF boards are the least expensive, no? Sure some Strix mix in, but, my point remains. :)



Gaming = Strix line... yes. lol. Strix isn't the TUF line though... not at all. TUF was more of a gimmick when it started, really and had one or two boards per chipset. TUF now is just...... mid-range at best.
I dont think you understand the situation at Asus. They have many ROG boards now, and after them, there comes TUF and then PRIME. Really simple.
no way strix is there




tuf - B quality vrm and B quality overall.strix's are A/B+
aorus elite is A-quality vrm and A-quality overall
I already said TUF is second after ROG, reading is really hard today it seems.
 
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I dont think you understand the situation at Asus. They have many ROG boards now, and after them, there comes TUF and then PRIME. Really simple.

I already said TUF is second after ROG, reading is really hard today it seems.
strix is after rog
tuf is low end/mid range
lower than strix,better than cheap prime p,worse than better prime a

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Strix has several boards... it's for 'gaming'. Some are cheap, others cross into the high-end territory.
Weren't you banned for quite a while for things like this... let's stick to facts and a discussion instead of throwing out barbs....
You are lucky, you manipulated everyone here into thinking you are a good guy, but exactly now again, you show your real face. Please, I'm way above you, and at least a honest guy and not a delusional troll.

strix is after rog
tuf is low end/mid range
lower than strix,better than cheap prime p,worse than better prime a

and you're earning yourself another warning from mods
Wrong. TUF is second now after ROG, like it was before. Read reviews and watch videos, I posted one 5 minutes ago.
 
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You are lucky, you manipulated everyone here into thinking you are a good guy, but exactly now again, you show your real face. Please, I'm way above you, and at least a honest guy and not a delusional troll.
you're going to talk down to everybody and ignore obvcious facts cause you bought a tuf ?
look at the tier level

tuf is classified as worse quality than strix
doesn't mean it's bad.it's just not as good as more expensive strix.
 
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you're going to talk down to everybody and ignore obvcious facts cause you bought a tuf ?
look at the tier level

tuf is classified as worse quality than strix
doesn't mean it's bad.it's just not as good as more expensive strix.
Bullshit, I have said multiple times now in this thread that the reviews showed the board to be good. I bought it because of the reviews not the other way around. Way to switch my words around to please your lies.
 
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By their marketing... Aorus is a premium Gaming brand of Giga. Like ROG, yep.
Well I had the X470 Aorus Gaming 7 and that died within 6 months of use with the famous 00 code.
 
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Bullshit, I have said multiple times now in this thread that the reviews showed the board to be good. I bought it because of the reviews not the other way around. Way to switch my words around to please your lies.
lol,care to read more carefully.
no one said your board is bad.
but strix's are better.

lol,you've got issues.

Well I had the X470 Aorus Gaming 7 and that died within 6 months of use with the famous 00 code.
lol,from rgb overdose judging from the pictures

 
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lol,care to read more carefully.
no one said your board is bad.
but strix's are better.

lol,you've got issues.
I didn't say anything else. I've said multiple times now here that TUF comes after ROG, what do you think Strixx is? :laugh:

This happens when someone without a clue is permitted to do whatever he wants in a forum.
 

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Well I had the X470 Aorus Gaming 7 and that died within 6 months of use with the famous 00 code.
That sucks. :(

But all things have failures.. from the $100 boards to the $1000 boards.
lol,care to read more carefully.
no one said your board is bad.
but strix's are better.
SOME Strix boards may be better... not all. They have a large lineup....

That said, we're drifting OT here as this is about MSI... so, we'll let the reporting do its work. I digress. :)
 
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I didn't say anything else. I've said multiple times now here that TUF comes after ROG, what do you think Strixx is? :laugh:
yes but rog line is split too.
and it's still not exactly true since Prime-A's are better
only prime-p is worse than tuf
 
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Strix has several boards... it's for 'gaming'. Some are cheap, others cross into the high-end territory.
Weren't you banned for quite a while for things like this... let's stick to facts and a discussion instead of throwing out barbs....
Earthdog you are absolutely right about TUF. I hearken back to my Asus 990FX TUF which was the most expensive AM3+ board you could buy. The only thing below TUF from Asus is Prime. What some people are not understanding is that the TUF lineup is not new in anyway. What is relatively new is Crosshair has been replaced by Extreme and Strix is considered Extreme minus the extras you would pay for a premium board. In terms of VRM quality I think people are also forgetting that most VRMS are overkill for today's CPUs. I was able to OC the 3300X and 3100X to 4.5 GHZ using a Prime B450 board. Back on topic though my favourite X399 board was MSI Pro Carbon and the TwinFrzor GPU cooler is one of the quietest and best performing dual fan coolers I have used. I do not have any illusions that MSI is not run by humans capable of making mistakes but I find it dubious that that review pales in comparison to some from Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed.
 

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Any brand can be either good or bad at the time something is reviewed. Any model within a brand's lineup can be the same way.

Example:
I do not have a favorable view overall of MSI due to past issues which have been long proven as fact, namely with the FX790 and 890 AMD boards dying of blatant VRM deaths all over the place. MSI tried to play it off as nothing but nothing quickly piled up to alot of something and didn't help at the time they were using the lowest quality possible components too (Nikos) for VRMs and so on.

However there is also the very real thing about a make becoming better, ASRock was one considered middle to getting towards the low at first but now they are clearly "Up there" with the rest. Can't say their customer service is all that but at least the overall quality of their boards did improve noteably from then up until now.

I can't say by how much or state the exact models within the MSI lineup have improved but a few have. I recently purchased an X570 MEG ACE and so far it's been a really good board but realize it's only one model out of the entire lineup - It certainly doesn't mean MSI has bumped things up across the board.

Now you have the allegation of them bribing someone not to release a critical review. That still needs to be proven as fact but with history as it is concerning MSI I'd have to say it's plausible.... Not that's it fact but certainly possible like it is for all the rest.
 
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I just saw someone say Asus mobos were shit. The ASRock I’m using now is my first non Asus board since x58 was new lol. I was floored. But then I think of my recently deceased p8z77v. Maybe he was on to something. Or maybe that’s just the way the cookie crumbles? Not everything a manufacturer makes is going to be awesome. Up until l recently I would have never considered an Assrock, but I’ve got one now and kind of like it. I’m still going to call it Assrock though. Because I think it’s funny. But it’s still better then the Asus it replaces..
 
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Any brand can be either good or bad at the time something is reviewed. Any model within a brand's lineup can be the same way.

Example:
I do not have a favorable view overall of MSI due to past issues which have been long proven as fact, namely with the FX790 and 890 AMD boards dying of blatant VRM deaths all over the place. MSI tried to play it off as nothing but nothing quickly piled up to alot of something and didn't help at the time they were using the lowest quality possible components too (Nikos) for VRMs and so on.

However there is also the very real thing about a make becoming better, ASRock was one considered middle to getting towards the low at first but now they are clearly "Up there" with the rest. Can't say their customer service is all that but at least the overall quality of their boards did improve noteably from then up until now.

I can't say by how much or state the exact models within the MSI lineup have improved but a few have. I recently purchased an X570 MEG ACE and so far it's been a really good board but realize it's only one model out of the entire lineup - It certainly doesn't mean MSI has bumped things up across the board.

Now you have the allegation of them bribing someone not to release a critical review. That still needs to be proven as fact but with history as it is concerning MSI I'd have to say it's plausible.... Not that's it fact but certainly possible like it is for all the rest.
exactly.per case scenario.
 
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I just saw someone say Asus mobos were shit. The ASRock I’m using now is my first non Asus board since x58 was new lol. I was floored. But then I think of my recently deceased p8z77v. Maybe he was on to something. Or maybe that’s just the way the cookie crumbles? Not everything a manufacturer makes is going to be awesome. Up until l recently I would have never considered an Assrock, but I’ve got one now and kind of like it. I’m still going to call it Assrock though. Because I think it’s funny. But it’s still better then the Asus it replaces..
Asus, in my experience is by far the steadiest and also oldest of the manufacturers. Of course they are not perfect. But I had many Asus boards now and they were all great so far. I also had MSI and Gigabyte. All good. But I won't support a brand, which is in shady businesses. As simple as that.
 
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I cannot believe how people are hating on MSI after the post about their CEO dying brought nothing but praise. In terms of one mistake no more purchase would have killed every company in the space. If this was 2009 would not in anyway recommend As Rock. As I have stated before I have never had any issues with MSI products and talking about MSI laptops my friend at the computer store told me that he would always pick MSI before Asus due to build quality.
 
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Unfortunately they all play the game - It's just a matter of who gets caught and who's smart enough to avoid it.

No company is innocent - It's business and that takes care of itself by whatever means..... Legal, illegal, ethical, unethical or however it wants and they already know the risks of it.
Since we are not the CEO's CFO's UFO's, F-U's or anything about that we have no direct say on the board of directors and our opinions only amount to that and nothing else.

However as customers we do have the power of our wallet and that vote when cast is powerful.
It's just too bad it's rare to see so many wallets all "Vote" the same way or things would certainly be better overall.
 
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Unfortunately they all play the game - It's just a matter of who gets caught and who's smart enough to avoid it.

No company is innocent - It's business and that takes care of itself by whatever means..... Legal, illegal, ethical, unethical or however it wants and they already know the risks of it.
Since we are not the CEO's CFO's UFO's, F-U's or anything about that we have no direct say on the board of directors and our opinions only amount to that and nothing else.

However as customers we do have the power of our wallet and that vote when cast is powerful.
It's just too bad it's rare to see so many wallets all "Vote" the same way or things would certainly be better overall.
Another great point, bones... If anyone thinks any of these companies are looking out for our best interests, have someone kindly help that someone remove their head from the sand.

Being a reviewer, I've had bad experiences with every partner and every kind of part at some point in this career. Nobody is immune from failure. I understand how personal experiences can affect thinking, but more critical thought should yield statistics and math that X likely won't happen to you.

RE: your last line... that is the thing... if a product is bad 10% of the time (which is a lot). 90% of people will be happy... its tough to do that.

Shady companies are all around us, no doubt.... oh the stories I could tell................................................
 
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Unfortunately they all play the game - It's just a matter of who gets caught and who's smart enough to avoid it.

No company is innocent - It's business and that takes care of itself by whatever means..... Legal, illegal, ethical, unethical or however it wants and they already know the risks of it.
Since we are not the CEO's CFO's UFO's, F-U's or anything about that we have no direct say on the board of directors and our opinions only amount to that and nothing else.

However as customers we do have the power of our wallet and that vote when cast is powerful.
It's just too bad it's rare to see so many wallets all "Vote" the same way or things would certainly be better overall.
We live in a shady world, it is a fact. And I believe Covid is a matter of bad karma. Still, MSI is the worst, won't buy it. It is not like anything you told me is new, but of course you're right. I didn't say anywhere that Asus etc are innocent, to the contrary, I told the example of Asus and HWUB. I will just prefer "more innocent" companies. It is simple.
 

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Thank You.

No company is innocent - It's business and that takes care of itself by whatever means..... Legal, illegal, ethical, unethical or however it wants and they already know the risks of it.
Since we are not the CEO's CFO's UFO's, F-U's or anything about that we have no direct say on the board of directors and our opinions only amount to that and nothing else.
This is true, no company is perfect and the reason is simple, they all have human beings running them.

Point of all of this is not whether or not a company is innocent, but whether or not we want to believe that market leaders like AMD and MSI would effort such detestable shenanigans. I'm not willing to accept these claims at face value. Evidence, such as unaltered emails and the like, are required. Until that happens, it is little more than hear-say, which is not evidence.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Every company has their issues... and I understand perception if something bad happened to a user... but I need proof too. Would it surprise if it is true? A little...

Would it surprise me if this is one PR manager (i.e a rogue marketing guy) who said it... not in the least. :)
 
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