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MSI really steps up their game with the recent twin frozr coolers and the gaming edition cards especially when you consider the value of these. Love the look of the card and the new cooler as it just screams gaming in a nice cool package. Great review of the card!!!

You know what impresses me the most about the GTX 970 and GTX 980, its the overclocking potential and not so much the core as it is the VRAM. I mean 2000mhz as being a central average I see on the top end is impressive beyond belief to me as it is nice to be able to really push those clocks higher especially if your someone wanting to do some serious resolutions! The core clocks go high as well on these cards which is also beyond impressive but I am more happy to see that the ram is much more flexible in overclocking on these cards (This is just my opinion)!
 

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Not sure if stating the obvious, but high memory clocks are also an effect of a well designed memory controller inside the GPU, not only good mem chips.

and mem OC can be affected by signal routing of the memory chips on custom PCB designs, too.

Cooling is a minor factor, for which I've never found solid evidence, but I feel sometimes that cards could have better mem OC with better mem cooling (just a small heatsink will be fine)
 
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Not sure if stating the obvious, but high memory clocks are also an effect of a well designed memory controller inside the GPU, not only good mem chips.

and mem OC can be affected by signal routing of the memory chips on custom PCB designs, too.

Cooling is a minor factor, for which I've never found solid evidence, but I feel sometimes that cards could have better mem OC with better mem cooling (just a small heatsink will be fine)
Yes, that is what I was referring to not only the binning process and the fact they have improved chips over the years. There are a lot of factors including (as you said) the new memory controller is a lot better than it has been in the past which is apparent by the results!

I agree with you, the cooling may not be too necessary on the memory to really gain huge overclocks and as you said there have not really been any tests nor is there a real easy way to test a theory like that (Its possible just time consuming and carrying a lot of variables). But with even basic desktop ram heatspreaders have been talked in the same way that help keep temps down on ram and achieve better stability at higher clocks. But I prefer when there is great cooling because the better that is the less likely there are for variables causing issues with things like overclocking.
 
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Why do reviews never mention coil whine?

I had to sell my MSI 970, because it was really annoying. It was there even at 60 Hz with Vsync.


Most, if not all 970s/980s have coil whine. I am waiting to see how it is when the 960 comes out.

I have zero coil whine.
 
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SOO glad i got this card :) Nice review!
 
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I wonder what people thought about this card versus Gigabyte GTX970 G1.
 
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I wonder what people thought about this card versus Gigabyte GTX970 G1.
As far as the cooler goes I think its more of a toss up because both are great. But the thing that makes the GI better in my book is the selection of outputs on the Gigabyte G1's which are similar to the GTX 980s in having the 3 DP's available.
 
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As far as the cooler goes I think its more of a toss up because both are great. But the thing that makes the GI better in my book is the selection of outputs on the Gigabyte G1's which are similar to the GTX 980s in having the 3 DP's available.
I know both are great and have their own pro/cons.
But G1 as far as I know has better cooler (performance wise not noise), theoritically better outputs like you said, has backplate, slightly higher stock clock, boring but not as tacky look/color at the cost of slightly higher price and larger built.

That sounds like a better deal to me, yet people seem to love/recognize MSI more almost everywhere. That's the part I wonder. What I miss?
 

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Hullo guys,

Love techpowerup reviews. Just registered for a quick question.

Does anyone know the minimum fan speed of the MSI 4G GTX970? Any ideas how it sounds by comparison to the Asus STRIX version (which apparently sounds a bit rough according to SPCR).

Thanks!

Toddles-pip and happy new year,
Mike
 

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I know both are great and have their own pro/cons.
But G1 as far as I know has better cooler (performance wise not noise), theoritically better outputs like you said, has backplate, slightly higher stock clock, boring but not as tacky look/color at the cost of slightly higher price and larger built.

That sounds like a better deal to me, yet people seem to love/recognize MSI more almost everywhere. That's the part I wonder. What I miss?
I was wondering the exact same thing, I am torn between MSI and GBT and while my first choice was GBT G1 everyone I asked seems to be recommending MSI.
I know the cards will probably perform the same, but I like the backplate and cooling on the G1, plus the additional outputs.
Both cards are reported to have coil whine, so like you said, what am I missing?
 

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what am I missing?
Silence during low loads and at idle? From the top of my head, the Gigabyte card also is a bit longer.

Btw. from what a user recently reported on the SPCR forums, the MSI fans are quieter and can dial down lower than the Asus fans (which is to answer my own question).
 
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MSI is ultra quiet, even when overclocking, but you have to create your own fan profile. The default one wants to keep the temperature around 70 degress, which causes the fans to spin even at 1500 RPM in the most demanding games, and that is very audible. I set my profile to a maximum of 1150 RPM, and it rarely reaches 75 degrees or goes over 1000 RPM, but it is winter now.

And I can now confirm that coil whine is related to the PSU. It is the cards that whine, but the PSU affects it. I replaced my OCZ ModXStream Pro 500W with a Corsair RM650, and now my card pretty much only whines in benchmarks without Vsync, and the noise is quieter anyway. With Vsync on, I can hear a very quiet noise if I really listen for it in a silent room, but it is low frequency. With the OCZ PSU the whine was unbearable even with Vsync on.
 
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Why does GPU-Z show only directX 11.2 support? :O
 
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Why does GPU-Z show only directX 11.2 support? :O
If you are using the card in your W7 system it will never support DX12.
DX12 will only be supported in W10.
 
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If you are using the card in your W7 system it will never support DX12.
DX12 will only be supported in W10.

Thanks for the qucik answer, it really makes sense.
 
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Since nGate is confirmed to have been a real 'thing' and all, would that knowledge had it been known at the time have affected the review score?
 
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There is one memory chip which is NOT under the metal plating. Will this cause any VRM or other overheating issues like with the MSI R9 280X Gaming?
 
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Hi all! I'm having a hard time deciding whether I need to upgrade from two of my Club 3D Radeon HD 7870XT jokerCards (Tahiti LE) in CrossFire and watercooled. Apart from getting PhysX effects in games optimized for Nvidia cards will I get any more benefits from getting this card?
 
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Hi all! I'm having a hard time deciding whether I need to upgrade from two of my Club 3D Radeon HD 7870XT jokerCards (Tahiti LE) in CrossFire and watercooled. Apart from getting PhysX effects in games optimized for Nvidia cards will I get any more benefits from getting this card?

A GTX970 offers almost twice the performance of one of your cards. Crossfire doesn't scale 100% so you'll be getting increased performance and more memory available, less electricity needed (so less strain on PSU) and less heat. Generally better driver support as you will only have one card. Some games will also use Nvidia Flex (Killing floor 2 for example). This might be a gimped tech.

Be warned though, a lot of the gtx 970's have coil whine when under stress.
 

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What is the physical length of this card from the start of the Circuit board at the L bracket to the heatsink and cowling at the other end of the card?

I currently own an MSI GTX470 Twin FrozR II, and while MSI say it is 243mm it actually measures around 26cm to the end of the heatsink and cowling. So I don't trust the MSI Website to be correct with it's sizes. And as my case can only fit a card that's 28cm max without having to modify the HDD bay to fit any extra length in I want to make sure it fits before I buy one.

So I would appreciate it if someone could measure their card for me and tell me the actual overall size (not including the L bracket).

Many thanks :)
 
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