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I'd say 470$ is still pretty far from normal , that's close to the 500$ mark the 1080 is supposed to be sold at.
 
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For that price i think 1080 would be ok 1070Ti 400$ and 1070 350$ btw now we gonna have new generation cards and millions of heavy used mining 10xx cards..
 
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its definitely high, but lets keep this in perspective, people were buying 1080's for up to $1000+ a couple months back:slap: (and likely a few at higher prices) This is obviously far from MSRP, but its closer to MSRP than we were 30 days ago.

you can see, Nov 2017 they were selling @ $400-$500 & then ,Crypto!
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The yellow and green lines are "market place" retailers sites. Newegg marketplace & another. It's much easier to sell to those willing to pay the highest on those sites.
 
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I wonder if this will be the same for the DDR4 prices as well....
 
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I wonder if this will be the same for the DDR4 prices as well....
i am gonna guess it wont be the same. That was sprung of an entirely different situation, and will depend on different circumstances to come back down. Ram makers have decided to Stop undercutting eachothers pricing, and instead to work together to milk the consumer for as much as they can....the worlds devices are dependant on RAM, and they know it, so they decided since they have all of us, and mobile makers by the balls, to wring out every penny they can

ill tell You one thing. a coupel years back, i bought 16Gb's of DDR4 for $60'ish and Im REALLY regretting returning it, especially since i jus tbought 2x4Gb's for $85:banghead:

if thise doesnt piss people off, nothing will ;)...now consider how MUCH more pissed i am that i returned it

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i am gonna guess it wont be the same. That was sprung of an entirely different situation, and will depend on different circumstances to come back down.

ill tell You one thing. a coupel years back, i bought 16Gb's of DDR4 for $60'ish and Im REALLY regretting returning it, especially since i jus tbought 2x4Gb's for $85:banghead:

if thise doesnt piss people off, nothing will ;)...now consider how MUCH more pissed i am that i returned it

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I know the feeling.. I had my X99 MSI board with free 16Gb of DDR4, nothing fancy but it worked.. Sold it for £50.. Wish I had kept hold of it, but then what was I thinking.... I just love to pay more for less... :rolleyes:
 
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I know the feeling.. I had my X99 MSI board with free 16Gb of DDR4, nothing fancy but it worked.. Sold it for £50.. Wish I had kept hold of it, but then what was I thinking.... I just love to pay more for less... :rolleyes:

if we knew then what we know now....huh?
 
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i am gonna guess it wont be the same. That was sprung of an entirely different situation, and will depend on different circumstances to come back down.

ill tell You one thing. a coupel years back, i bought 16Gb's of DDR4 for $60'ish and Im REALLY regretting returning it, especially since i jus tbought 2x4Gb's for $85:banghead:

if thise doesnt piss people off, nothing will ;)

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I'm guessing it won't in the short term but long term it will drop... if video card demand really drops. In that case, memory chip makers will refocus production on DDR4. I don't pretend to know the supply chain but I have read that GDDR is taking up production capacity from other types of memory.
 
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DDR4 is priced as it is due to "supposed" lost production runs to an "accident" , and to RAM makers making a deal with each other to stop undercutting prices, and start squeazing the RAM consumer market for its milk money. a small amount of googling will get you the same answers. its not GPU's its Mobile manufacturing apparently beign blamed by RAM makers, and market "analysts" , but i would bet atleast a few dollars that RAM manufacturers are the ones controlling the situation. They like it this way, and as long as they have people buying it this way, there will continue to be a "shortage".

when your profits begin to rise like this, who can blame them for not wanting to change the "problem".
Those are 16gb ddr4 kit prices btw
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i am of the opinion that a Decent mid-high end PC shouldnt cost more than $700-$800USD. Ive managed to build my last few with new parts for those costs, and i recently did it (minus a GPU ) for $640'ish (with 8Gb's DDR4). I refuse to buy at higher prices, and until others take a similar stance, the market will linger in its current state. The desperation of miners for GPU's , and their willingness to pay 2-4x MSRP is encouraging to manufacturers. it showed the deep pockets of the consumer when motivated, but for those of us NOT earning a living of of our PC's, the 3x MSRP price tags are simply out of reach.....when people stop buying at $200/16Gb DDR4, it will drop to $180/16Gb DDr4, then if they stop buying again, it will drop again, and again, but not until people only buy what they NEED and not what they THINK they need, or what they used to buy. IF every person who normally buys 16Gb's of RAM, only buys 8gb's, where will this shortage excuse have to go?? they wont be able to hide behind it any longer, and prices will drop eventually (hopefully)
 
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DDR4 is priced as it is due to "supposed" lost production runs to an "accident" , and to RAM makers making a deal with each other to stop undercutting prices, and start squeazing the RAM consumer market for its milk money. a small amount of googling will get you the same answers. its not GPU's its Mobile manufacturing apparently beign blamed by RAM makers, and market "analysts" , but i would bet atleast a few dollars that RAM manufacturers are the ones controlling the situation. They like it this way, and as long as they have people buying it this way, there will continue to be a "shortage".

when your profits begin to rise like this, who can blame them for not wanting to change the "problem".
Those are 16gb ddr4 kit prices btw
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i am of the opinion that a Decent mid-high end PC shouldnt cost more than $700-$800USD. Ive managed to build my last few with new parts for those costs, and i recently did it (minus a GPU ) for $640'ish (with 8Gb's DDR4). I refuse to buy at higher prices, and until others take a similar stance, the market will linger in its current state. The desperation of miners for GPU's , and their willingness to pay 2-4x MSRP is encouraging to manufacturers. it showed the deep pockets of the consumer when motivated, but for those of us NOT earning a living of of our PC's, the 3x MSRP price tags are simply out of reach.....when people stop buying at $200/16Gb DDR4, it will drop to $180/16Gb DDr4, then if they stop buying again, it will drop again, and again, but not until people only buy what they NEED and not what they THINK they need, or what they used to buy. IF every person who normally buys 16Gb's of RAM, only buys 8gb's, where will this shortage excuse have to go?? they wont be able to hide behind it any longer, and prices will drop eventually (hopefully)
That's kind of sobering... not that I'm drunk this early in the morning lol... 100% price increase in 1.5 years.

Overlay mid-high end graphic card price onto that chart, I bet there's some sort of correlation.
 
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That's kind of sobering... not that I'm drunk this early in the morning lol... 100% price increase in 1.5 years.

Overlay mid-high end graphic card price onto that chart, I bet there's some sort of correlation.
I agree that generally where there's coincidence there's often proof of a connection ,but in this case ,I believe that there isn't , & it's just merely a coincidence. The GPU prices were driven by miners demand. If you look at where GPUs sold the highest ,it's often in "marketplace" situations where the highest prices, gets what they want. If you go on a site like PC part picker, and you look at a year of GPU prices, there's two or three meteoric rises, that you can follow from the beginning of the chart to the end ,and if you follow the color coding and match what those colors correlate to ,its new egg marketplace, or PC outlet. Basically meaning that if Newegg.com , or amazon couldn't get away with selling the gpu for $1000 ,they would allow their third-party sellers to do it for them, and so the stock that was available in video cards, went to marketplace sites. That's not to say that some stock didn't go to official retail sites and that it wasn't marked up extremely high. But the highest prices ,and the most inventory was moved out of marketplace sites.

Ram on the other hand was manipulated at a manufacturing level, therefore the MSRP has increased not the "demand" value. There's nothing to "hide", so legitimate retailers can sell it at three times last year's cost ,no problem, because thats the cost. But if you look at video card prices over the last year or so, every once in a while ,you'd find ,or hear someone mention that they found a GTX 1080 at MSRP directly from the manufacturer, or a similar situation, and that's because the MSRP on GPUs never changed ,it was just the inflation from demand that caused gpu price increases.

*these are my interpretations of the situation, and im not a proffesional analyst, although the facts are the facts, interpretations may vary*

I think they just happened in a similar time frame , Like a perfect shit storm .....
 
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I think they just happened in a similar time frame , Like a perfect shit storm .....
Some googling later... Most articles put the blame on smartphone memory demand. I'm not sure I buy it, but they claim the same DDR4 chips are used in smartphones. Personally, I think it's just simply collusion. Another thing to think about, every DIY mining rig needs a motherboard, and memory (not a lot of memory mind you), but still think it's a factor in some weird way. That and riding the coattails of the video card frenzy.
 
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In spite of this minor thread derailment (;)) $469.99 is only about $50 more than this card was before the mining frenzy and is a good $100 less than any other GTX 1070 on the market. If one needs a new higher end card right now this is about the only sane choice there is.
 
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I saw a couple posts dumping large # of cards used for mining at other forums. Maybe it's slowing down a little.
 
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Here’s to hoping Nvidia and AMD start supporting multi GPU more again.
 
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Best buy also has 1070's for $429... The small dual fan version...
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/search...rue&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960&keys=keys

Unfortunately they aren't selling them online and you have to go in however they can try to order it for you from another store if they are out of stock.... They did that for me when the Corsair h 110i went on sale.
Just checked a half dozen stores in the Sacramento area. None.

Nice, it's still 30% too much though :p
Beggars can't be choosers. ;) This is about as good as you can do at the moment. Actually, just checked and they're sold out already. That shows you it was a good deal.
 
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The link in the OP is now for a card with the price of $589.99, not $469.99 as in the title. So in less than one day, the price went up $120. So much for "back to normal".
 
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The link in the OP is now for a card with the price of $589.99, not $469.99 as in the title. So in less than one day, the price went up $120. So much for "back to normal".
sometimes they change in Minutes. ive seen them change in under half an hour....itr wasnt a GPU, but it was a component. sucks.
 
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The link in the OP is now for a card with the price of $589.99, not $469.99 as in the title. So in less than one day, the price went up $120. So much for "back to normal".
This is what I see right now:

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Cooling Phanteks PH-TC14PE, Fans: 2xThermalright TY143 / 2xCorsair SP-120L / 1xYate Loon D14BH-12
Memory G-Skill TridentZ 2X8GB DDR4 3200 CL14 F4-3200C14D-16GTZ
Video Card(s) Zotac 1060 6GB Mini ZT-P10600A-10L
Storage Seagate 600 240GB SSD + 2xWD Caviar Blue WD10EZEX 1TB Data
Display(s) Asus PB258Q 2560x1440 25" IPS
Case Lian Li PC A05NB (Inverted Mobo)
Audio Device(s) Audiotechnica ATH M50X, Antlion Mod Mic 4, SYBA SD-CM-UAUD, Acoustic Research 2Ch Speakers
Power Supply Seasonic SS-660XP2 660 Watt Platinum
Mouse Zowie EC2A Mouse, Corsair MM600 hard pad, on top of a Inateck 900x300 XL pad, Tiger Gaming Skates.
Keyboard Filco Majestouch II Ninja TKL, Goldtouch GTC 0033 Ten Key, PS3 Controller
Software Win7 Pro 64 (Installed on Coffee Lake using AsRock's handy PS/2 Simulator in Bios)
#25
Might as well wait until the generation after. Too late in the cycle for buying 1070.
 
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