Discussion in 'AMD / ATI' started by fullinfusion, Feb 16, 2014.
psu isnt enough
1st thing did you overclock? And do you have multiple overclocking software for the card installed? If so uninstall them. I had very similar lines on my 7970's with trixx and msi ab installed. .what driver you using? Dont use the betas as there still bugged out. Did you try a different cable to the monitor or hook it upto a different monitor? Help us here man.tell us what changed after you got it working. Use ddu uninstaller and remove the driver, use ccleaner and run the registry scan but save the first back up then hit clean.. it may take 2 but no more then 3 times ok. Goto c drive and in x86 folder delete amd folder. Reboot then power off. Clear the cmos and boot into the bios. Disable the onboard video for your cpu and then make you normal changes.. dont forget to remove the battery for 1 min when clearing the cmos ok. When booted back up is the screeen look better or still have lines and that on it? If not install the 13.12 whql driver and hope it works. Never use two different clocking tools with amd cus they dont like it.
Ill help you tomorrow as im over my roaming data package and am signing off till I get into canada but that wont be till after midnight. Good luck and in the future always post what you have done to help us help you. Later man and good luck.
The thing is after I changed to DP, I didn't change anything. I did try IGP to check if lines persisted but with IGP everything was fine. Using PEG again, I get the lines. I did get a blue screen with error 0xa00001 and then every subsequent bootup I get these lines. I'm still on 13.12 and did a clean install using this guide http://www.overclock.net/t/988215/h...l-ati-amd-software-drivers-for-graphics-cards. I only have afterburner installed and it's not even set to startup on boot. I have also tried clearing cmos. The lines happen before windows so I doubt it's a driver problem.
Are you using the most current motherboard bios?
You said dp is that dvi or hdmi?
displayport, using the most recent bios, also reflashed the most recent bios to see if it fixed anything
Tried the HDMI output instead and there's not lines when booting from it. Is there a reason why Displayport messes up the monitor so bad? It was working fine with dp until after the bsod.
Probably the wrong dvi cable, there are two different types from what I understand.
That's I have always used is HDMI and never had an issue... good to hear and let us know how shes running!
Displayport is not the same as dvi. Afaik there is only one displayport standard.
DVI-I (dual link)
DVI-I (single link):
Ahh Thank you, I never seen the top display port anywhere. I always thought ppl just used HDMI or mini port HDMI or DVI.
Huh learn something new every day. Thanks man
No problem. If you get a 4k monitor with the 290s and you want 60Hz you'll be needing a display port cable.
I thought those were old school cable.. oh well great to know
Have this card for about a week.
Running the 14.2 1.3 Betas and the card just doesn't want to idle.
Have Afterburner set at 1100/1300 and have had no problem running 3Dmark or Unigine, or any games.
However, no matter what I do, short of a reboot, the card's clock is ~1017MHz and ~49 C.
Should add that my GPU Usage % is 0.
Added info as requested.
Thanks in advance fullinfusion
No worrries mate, What if you uninstall afterburner and open up the amd ccc and under amd overdrive what is the clock speed showing?
EDIT: TO THE OP Page #1
Driver status FM approved!
Old 13.12 vs latest beta.
Check for yourselves
Card idles in GPU-Z ~300MHz GPU/~150 Mem.
Will try TRIXX for O'C and see if the card continues to idle.
Still having a problem of non-idling if ANY O'C software is installed.
Uninstalled TRIXX and now the card idles properly. I just have no way to overclock it now. The AMD CCC Overdrive is complete crap.
Hey guys, I haven't been here before but I'm one of the proud owners of an R9 290 Gaming card, so count me in in the club!
But yeah, back to the point:
Since about couple of weeks of using the card, I've discovered that my fans started leaking oil onto the shroud. And I guess theres no need for undue alarm, but I do think as the card is going to get dusty, those oil marks will stick dust specs and stuff like that onto them, which will look utterly disgusting and unattractive....
Any ideas of what could cause this?
Whats the deal with the fans leaking?
Could you ask the thermal team if its normal or whats up with that.
^ Sleeve bearing fans are cheap and they use them instead of ball bearing fans. I had to RMA 2 7950s due to their choice in shit Q fans failing after 4 months.
Hey guys just got my card its the 290 gaming editon hope the picture shows up but I found out the heat killer 290 water block fits on the card I didn't run into any clearance issues with it ill post temps and more pics tommorow on it
It's not "normal" no and it is the result of our fan vendor over-compensating by adding too much oil to the fan in the first few batches of the fans. This has been resolved since and new cards shouldn't exhibit this behavior.
The oil leakage itself does not affect the card's function though.
Any idea on how to remove this bullcrap? Feels like a half of Gulf of Mexico just spilt on my card
Clean it with isotropic alcohol.
BS the fans will eventually fail to operate without the proper lubrication.
More BS from MSI reps,
Thanks to OCUK Staff members for bringing this forum topic to our attention.
We are aware that some customers have been experiencing issues with our latest AMD GAMING Graphics Cards, notably the R9 Series.
MSI takes this issue seriously.
What is the issue? On going issue still present to this date.
Some cards manufactured pre-January are experiencing oil leakage from the fans.
How is this caused? BS
Oil leaks from the fans hub when the fans are spinning at 100% over a long period of time under high heat conditions.
Why is this happening?
We have seen a huge spike in sales numbers since late November when the BitCoin-Cryptocurrency mining craze started to kick off. Thus, customers have been using our R9 Series of GAMING Graphics Cards since mid-December to mine coins over a 24-HR, 7 days a week period which these cards are not designed for.
The details... BS
Basically our cards are designed mainly for one thing.. gaming (the clue's in the name). They are not intended for use under "industrial" load conditions where they would be needed to run flat-out continuously day after day, week after week with potential high heat levels.
MSI HQ have been working on the fix since late December to make some changes to our Twin Frozr coolers to stop this from happening. At the centre of the fan there is a 3mm gap inside where a specially made gel is inserted to keep our fans running smoothly and quietly to give you the award-winning silent conditions during idle and gaming modes you have seen and/or heard about. MSI has since reduced this to 2mm. This doesn't sound much but has in fact solved one of the issues whereby there was extra space for air to squeeze inside the area alongside the gel to cause tiny air bubbles that (while at 100% fan load for a long period of time) forces the gel to leak out onto the fan shroud and surrounding area.
The final issue that was fixed was simply not to put as much gel inside the fans core. We intentionally put more gel into this area during production to ensure your cards would continue to run smoothly and that durability would never decrease. Sadly our good intentions came back to hurt us since many customers are using R9 Graphics Cards (and R7) to mine for coins jumping quickly onto the Cryptocurrency bandwagon. Our cards we're not designed for this. Under normal gaming conditions this would not happen (rare cases it may). MSI HQ wanted (yet again) to improve our award-winning Twin Frozr coolers further by solving any and all reliability questions of the running of our fans... hence more gel.
Unlike our competitors, our bearing is made from a special ring made from a mixture of pressed cooper shavings and oil – This unique design avoids the need of ball bearings so the fan can run quieter.
Those customers with Graphics Cards pre-January that are worrying about oil leaking in the future causing harm to the fans.. don't worry. The oil leaking is from the fans hub and not from the bearing, thus will not impact the lifetime running of the fans.
Is it safe?
Yes. The gel which has since turned into an oil like substance during high heat conditions will not harm you, nor your surrounding components in your PC. This gel is harmless, it is non-conductive and will not harm components on the motherboard – The gel is designed to work up to 140C so it will not burn out.
What do I do now?
As mentioned, HQ knows about the problems you have been experiencing and recommends you RMA your Graphics Card to our RMA centre for a replacement card with the new fixes.
Can you not just send some replacement fans or coolers?
No. While there are 0 issues with the PCB's, we cannot send you replacement fans and/or Twin Frozr coolers to do it yourself. One reason is we want to ensure you do not damage the PCB or cooler during installation (and thus voiding your warranty), but another reason is due to how we design the Twin Frozr coolers. You may not know this, but unlike many of our competitors who simply use the same cooler for every batch of cards, we engineer our coolers differently per each graphics card to ensure each cooler we place onto each GPU can handle the thermals produced from that very GPU since every GPU is different (silicone lottery).
We are very sorry if you have been affected by this issue. We hold our hands up, however we did have good intentions. Please RMA the Graphics Card back to us for a swift replacement.
Examples of fan failures back in 2013 with 7950s
9/16/2013 3:57:00 PM
Cons: Mediocre heat removal.
Short fan lifetime.
Failing fans throw oil on to heatsink fins and elsewhere.
Dust stick to fan oil, impeding heat removal even more.
Other Thoughts: I've purchased 8 of these in the last four months, they run 99% load, 24/7. Fans are quite loud, louder when failing.
After two months, fans fail routinely and sling oil around. Not exactly easy to clean. Factory fan replacements are not easily obtained, unless you don't care about downtime.
Is the fan lifetime just 1000 hours? Really?
9/17/2013 2:54:02 PM
-7970 pcb w00t!
Cons: -The fans die very early.
-One of my fans died inside of 3 weeks.
-When the fans die they sling their oil all over the card making for a nasty cleanup.
-The fan that spilled out all it's oil is now excessively noisey and rattles like a soda can at anything above 50% fan speed.
-MSi will NOT sell customers replacement fan assemblies.
-Did I mention cleaning up all the oil that gets slung around and how that it's not very fun?
Other Thoughts: For whatever reason, my original review, pretty much the same as this one, was not posted. ::shrugs::
8/10/2013 12:20:34 PM
Pros: Best performance per watt
Very good RMA process on the 1 bad out of 15
Cons: Fans will fail after long use
The fans leaking oil is due to MSI continuing to use cheap sleeve bearing fans, this has been happening for a while and is not an issue that has just surfaced. I have owned 8 R7950s, 1 7970L & 1 7970LBE in 1.5 years time, I have mucho experience with MSI RMAs. They messed up my RMAs so many times trying to replace two other R7950s with bad HDMI ports they upgraded me to 7970 Lightnings. ( That process took over 1.3 months )
You can go look at newegg reviews of the R7950s Twins and you will see that many people had fan failures back then as well.
When the oil leaks from the fan assembly the fan will in a short amount of time start to rattle, give weird RPM readings, stop and start then finally fail to operate.
MSI reps, please by all means stop with the lies and be straight with the customers as Google and forums can be you're worst enemy.
@broken pixel heh, interesting to read about, and interestingly enough, every single person have a problem with the fans...
No wonder, b1tches be minin'
P.S. I do not mine.
Miners don't run fans at 100% because fan efficiency(airflow vs RPM vs Power Draw) past 85% is horrible and miners generally would like the fan to run for as long as possible. Most mining guides recommend variable fan speed control that peaks at 85% with a frequency throttle kicking in to stop overheating instead of fan hitting 100%.
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