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MSI X299 Tomahawk system and pump fans won't spin up

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I'm puzzled about why this customer PC won't spin up the fans, apart from one.
MSI X299 Tomahawk
i7 7820X
EVGA CLC 120mm
PSU EVGA 750G3
The customer told me that he's been having issues with the PC randomly restarting, BSODs and 'strange' noises from the fans.
On opening it up, the radiator PWM fan was stopping and starting, but mainly stopped, causing the CPU temp to rise to around 65-70c on idle. The fan was initially connected to the pump_fan header which I then changed to the fan connecter coming from the pump itself (as recommended in most AIOs). This made no difference and the fan wouldn't spin up.
I then connected the fan to the remaining three sys_fan headers but it still wouldn't spin up. I then tested the fan on my own PC and it worked normally, so there doesn't appear to be a fault with the fan itself.
The 3 pin case fan on sys_fan 1 works normally.
I then reset the fan controllers to default in UEFI, tried all other options including PWM, DC and auto, and flashed the BIOS to the latest version, all with no effect.
The only things I haven't yet tried are testing with a different PSU and another PWM fan, which I'll have to pinch from one of my other PCs.
Indeed, I have read threads on other forums like EVGA and MSI with users having similar problems. I also installed the EVGA Flow Control software which also installed the USB driver, but it didn't even detect the fan.
Clearly more work is required on this, but it's a head scratcher.

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Hi,
I'd just try an air cooler and psu/ wiring and try again.
 

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weird, I have this mobo (arctic) and it works just fine.

Are you manually specifying 100% in the Fan control section of the BIOS? thats what I do, but I also have some low RPM fans so it doesnt bother me. I never leave any of that stuff on auto. I max it all manually.

Like others have said, id test with a fan though. Maybe the pump is just bad.
 
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Try another fan first, that's the easy option.
It could be a Motherboard issue.
 
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I just tried a 4 pin fan from my PC and it worked fine on the pump_fan header and on direct cables from the pump block.
I have never come across a fan issue like this, where the fan works on one PC but not another.
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And why for the love of God do PC builders use these (pictured below) instead of proper cable ties? They have metal inside and usually exposed metal at the ends, ffs.
 

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The only thing I can think of is it's not getting enough power at low speed to match the starting voltage required for the fan (or the amperage draw is too high).
Can you test the headers to see how many V it gets through the PWM range?
 
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I fitted a new ID Cooling PWM fan to the radiator and it runs great. I also switched it around because it was previously set up to pull air from the inside of the case.
Temperatures are now normal but I'll keep it running with the odd stress test to see how it goes.
 
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Temperatures are now normal but I'll keep it running with the odd stress test to see how it goes.
QFT, it's not normal to get an error at stock clocks, normally, with that condition, I would expect it to just shut off.

Errors are what you usually get with CPU OC'ing and overvolting, as that combo can make the CPU flaky at only 70C or lower! Normally, it would throttle or go right to shutting off.
 
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Like a boomerang, the PC is now back with me due to random restarts. I know it's not a heat issue because I sorted that out and the CPU doesn't go over 55-60c.
After the error logs, it looks like trial and error, however, the customer says he's had this issue for years and has just lived with it.
 
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