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MSI Z87-GD65 GAMING (Intel LGA 1150)

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#51
Review on of the same mb or different ones ?

Im just going to get mine tomorrow mpower max

But it seems haswell is the same like sb ivy they all don't oc the same and seems some reviews say its hotter then ivy which sucks
I got 15 or so boards sitting here to review. Will be doing these board reviews until September 1st, about 1 a week or so.


Haswell is IVB + SB-E tweaking. iVR allows tighter regulation, so droop...pretty much gone now. Also, L3 cache is now separate from CPU speed(was linked before), so if you got cache that runs a bit poopy, it doesn't hold the CPU back. Also, since cache utilization is never 100%, this allows you to run cache speed lower, and thereby lower temps.

Really, it's everything you want as an OC'er. The level of tweakability is amazing.

At the same time, it's still simple, but one more voltage is required for most 24/7 use, the ring voltage, since that's L3 and ring-bus. Since workload in cache increases with CPU speed, you need to increase ring voltage as well. There are about 20 other voltages now to play with for those wanting to really push limits. 3100 with Hynic MFR PBC-based DIMMs is a piece of cake with most CPUs, but bandwidth is low. Nearly every CPU should do 2800 MHz high-bandwidth.

That said, I run 4.6 GHz, but only 3.9 GHz cache. If you look at the results in this review, there is IVB, SB-E, and Haswell results there. Even with the slower cache speed, Haswell still beats IVB in nearly everything.


ES chips are different than retail. There are several versions of ES, not sure who exactly has what. I really hate reviews with ES chips, since that's not what end users get. This isn't the fault of the reviewers that used them...Intel should have given them retail for review.


I seen advice to stay with 1.5V XMP DIMMs if possible for 24/7 use. 1.65V is absolute max instead of the 1.85V of IVB. Dunno how that relates, but I find DIMMS that hated voltage before now scale really really well, not sure if that's the chip, the platform, or my tweaking...still testing. ;)
 
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I get just under 85C in P95 with the Coolermaster TPC812 @ 4.6 GHz, and 1.285V. Idle is ~30c in OS.




That sounds pretty good, actually. Maybe you can get 4.6 GHz with just 1.2V. Set ring voltage to 1.15V and ring multi to 39, as I mentioned, then CPU voltage to 1.2 V, and see what you get.

I don't like software for clocking, at all, since there are many times what you get with software is not actually bootable, although perfectly stable. I'll ask Crazyeyesreaper to look more into MSI Control Center, since the board is on it's way to him now.


CPU Multi(6th "white" option down the list):

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/Z87-GD65_GAMING/images/MSI_SnapShot_17.jpg



Or, at the bottom of the OC page, is CPU Features, and Turbo multis can be set there. You can roughly copy my settings in those screenshots, but I would not use the high vCPU, vRING and vDIMM I have there, as that was before I tweaked them down.
Thanks Dave, will try these settings now, I actually took a photo with my cell, will let you know how it goes!

Appreciate your help! You rock! :rockout:

BTW there's a new BIOS ver. 1.2 for this board if you're interested :)
 
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Yeah been hearing the ES can take a lot more volts then the retail, but I have no clue to what I'm getting in to :p
 
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#54
Any idea is the ES chips are physically different or just really well cherry picked?

What are the chances that the C2 stepping will improve on this heat issue? When is C2 due?
 
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#56
Review on of the same mb or different ones ?

Im just going to get mine tomorrow mpower max :)

But it seems haswell is the same like sb ivy they all don't oc the same and seems some reviews say its hotter then ivy which sucks

But reading to many isn't helping you it seems go to sleep let your mind rest :p
All different boards. Probably why I can't remember anything.

But from what I've seen someone did a review same chip 5 MB they all oced around the same 4.5-4.8GHz the best was Asus. I will try and find it again.

Edit: here it is http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z87-haswell-motherboard-review,3524-30.html to me I think overall the chip will have the biggest impact on ocing.
 
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I have this board and it gave me a lot of problems. RMA'ed once and the m-flash function is not as stable as MSI claims.

1st board came with BIOS V1.2 and was giving me missing fields in BIOS menu and a mighty long time in POST. Ended up bricked when updating BIOS through M-flash. Yes. both main and backup BIOS were bricked.

2nd board came with BIOS v1.5 and was still giving me missing fields and long POST. Asked around on the MSI forums and flashed a beta version of BIOS v1.91 in DOS environment. Managed to stay stable for 1 month or so now.

I got this board in mid Nov 2013 with BIOS v1.2 and in end Dec 2013 they have BIOS v1.91b...... it says pretty much about QC.

Nonetheless, it's still a great board with the lowest price in its category. Get it if you can live with the unexpected troubles.
 

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#58
it says pretty much about QC.
I'd take that as a good thing, fixing issues which may not surface after internal testing...
 

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#59
Actually I was implying that they could have tested it more thoroughly instead of releasing it so early. There are few people facing various problems with this board on the MSI forum.

If anyone has this board, DO NOT update the BIOS through MSI live update or M-flash there have been cases of BIOS corruption or bricks.

Ask around on the MSI forum for the FPT method.