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Why do you tempt me so with these drives I can't afford...
 
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Good thinking. But what about SATA4e? ;)
Personally I don't like SATA3e. First, is not even here, it will be long before we will see mass released products, and second, is already ...outdated, I mean the maximum bandwidth will be less than 2GB/s, which is less than the current PCIe drive. See the irony?
I'm not saying 2GB/s is not fast enough, but when you already have faster PCIe drives...well... :cool::ohwell:
 
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Sata4e is 12gb/s.....
 

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Sata4e is 12gb/s.....
PCIe 3.0 is ~8Gb/s per lane, you can easily see Sata 4e is not going to win any speed prizes. Maybe in time we will be able to see Sata 4e being a standard for mechanical drives, but for the purposes of SSDs, I think 4 lane PCIe is going to be the main focus here given the standardisation under NVMe.
 

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c) you can apply black/blue plastic design on top, because i have a black/blue msi board (i will never have red nor yellow, neither asus crappy gold nor gigabyte toxic green one)
What you most probably have is a chocolate PCB with blue trims and heatsinks :laugh: why'd you think a black PCB expansion card would match your mobo? If you want actual black on black, then GB boards seem the best choice.
 
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What you most probably have is a chocolate PCB with blue trims and heatsinks :laugh: why'd you think a black PCB expansion card would match your mobo? If you want actual black on black, then GB boards seem the best choice.
i dont rely on colour if the hardware is worth it.. but we should really solve the problem whether colour-matched hardware performs better ! :banghead::roll::toast:
 
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How about a black PCB instead of a turd cover.
dude if your turd's are that colour you want to go see a doctor as that aint right :p
 
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Quarter of the speed at the same capacity and I'd find it as a great gaming drive (intensive file reading in certain games tends to bog down slower drives). Mind you, also waiting for the price to come down. Oh god, I need a nice large drive for my games... not enough space at all!
 
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SDD speed, just like CPU or GPU speed will NEVER be fast enough, and that's the truth.
And I am not talking only about gaming. Who is working with Photoshop or very large 3D assemblies like the ones from CATIA, Solid Works, etc, know what I am talking about. I have a crappy assembly of a water pump and it takes 5 minutes to load fully and is even more annoying when saving because of CPU and SSD being to slow, hehe.
 

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Win 8.1 will come with NVMe, which standardises PCIe SSD boot I believe.
Won't help with boards that won't boot from a PCI-E device. If the motherboard won't boot from a PCI-E device it doesn't matter what Microsoft tried to do with the OS.

PCIe 3.0 is ~8Gb/s per lane, you can easily see Sata 4e is not going to win any speed prizes. Maybe in time we will be able to see Sata 4e being a standard for mechanical drives, but for the purposes of SSDs, I think 4 lane PCIe is going to be the main focus here given the standardisation under NVMe.
Never head of PCI-E x4? Why put one of these PCI-E SSDs in the system over a PCI-E x4 SATA3/4 controller that supports multiple SSDs? After all, that is all these PCI-E SSDs are, traditional SSDs and a PCI-E x4 RAID controller combined onto a single package.
 
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Won't help with boards that won't boot from a PCI-E device. If the motherboard won't boot from a PCI-E device it doesn't matter what Microsoft tried to do with the OS.
Current motherboards do not boot off anything faster than SATA 6GB/s either, at least we know the software will be there ready for motherboard manufacturers to leverage the tech.

Never head of PCI-E x4? Why put one of these PCI-E SSDs in the system over a PCI-E x4 SATA3/4 controller that supports multiple SSDs? After all, that is all these PCI-E SSDs are, traditional SSDs and a PCI-E x4 RAID controller combined onto a single package.
Wonder how the performance of RAIDing 4 SSDs together over 6Gbps would be like. The Toshiba SSDs are capable of over 500MB/s read and write, so 4 of them will theoretically be equal to this Mushkin PCIe SSD. The Mushkin costs $1276.50 off ramexperts, whereas the Toshiba THNSNH will be about $800 for 4x256Gb. Quite a bit cheaper if you can reach the performance of this Mushkin, but you will have to deal with the cable clutter.

Regardless of my questions they are developing SATA Express and have already developed mSATA so PCIe and SATA interfaces are heading towards collision course anyway. Not sure if we will be able to tell the difference in 5 years time.
 
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Wonder how the performance of RAIDing 4 SSDs together over 6Gbps would be like. The Toshiba SSDs are capable of over 500MB/s read and write, so 4 of them will theoretically be equal to this Mushkin PCIe SSD. The Mushkin costs $1276.50 off ramexperts, whereas the Toshiba THNSNH will be about $800 for 4x256Gb. Quite a bit cheaper if you can reach the performance of this Mushkin, but you will have to deal with the cable clutter.

Regardless of my questions they are developing SATA Express and have already developed mSATA so PCIe and SATA interfaces are heading towards collision course anyway. Not sure if we will be able to tell the difference in 5 years time.
Good Sata III raid cards are insanely expensive so it would probably work out to the same overall price and that's ignoring the fact that they are server grade hardware and a such need good airflow to keep cool.
 
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PCIe 3.0 is ~8Gb/s per lane, you can easily see Sata 4e is not going to win any speed prizes. Maybe in time we will be able to see Sata 4e being a standard for mechanical drives, but for the purposes of SSDs, I think 4 lane PCIe is going to be the main focus here given the standardisation under NVMe.
Only time will tell, but I am on the other side of the tracks for sure. Nobody wants these things, especially at their current price and the fact that it takes at least a hair of knowhow to set it up properly. IMO, you will see 4e hit the scene before drives like this and the revo become common. SSD makers are not chomping at the bit to make these versus their 2.5" non raided standard ssd counterparts which are exponentially cheaper to make in the first place.
 

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Current motherboards do not boot off anything faster than SATA 6GB/s either, at least we know the software will be there ready for motherboard manufacturers to leverage the tech.



Wonder how the performance of RAIDing 4 SSDs together over 6Gbps would be like. The Toshiba SSDs are capable of over 500MB/s read and write, so 4 of them will theoretically be equal to this Mushkin PCIe SSD. The Mushkin costs $1276.50 off ramexperts, whereas the Toshiba THNSNH will be about $800 for 4x256Gb. Quite a bit cheaper if you can reach the performance of this Mushkin, but you will have to deal with the cable clutter.

Regardless of my questions they are developing SATA Express and have already developed mSATA so PCIe and SATA interfaces are heading towards collision course anyway. Not sure if we will be able to tell the difference in 5 years time.
Good Sata III raid cards are insanely expensive so it would probably work out to the same overall price and that's ignoring the fact that they are server grade hardware and a such need good airflow to keep cool.
You need a good hardware RAID card for sure to get 2000MB/s speeds. However, Intel's onboard is capable of ~1300MB/s, which is nothing to be laughed at. And really, at the consumer level, the user isn't really going to even notice the difference between 1000MB/s and 2000MB/s.

But if you really wanted 2000MB/s you'd need something that is a true hardware RAID card as well as having some kind of onboard cache. You are probably looking at $200-250 minimum for the RAID card.

But in the end I don't see much need at all in the consumer space for PCI-E SSDs or 4-Way SATA RAID SSDs. The consumer space just doesn't need speeds that fast. And remember, this drive isn't even a consumer drive, it is an enterprise drive. The only real consumer PCI-E SSD that has been released has been OCZ's RevoDrive and ASUS's RAIDR thing.
 
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Color does matter ...in fact it matters so much some people change the color of there skin ...are you listening Michael .
 
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I always laugh at PC enthusiasts who get spastic over the color of the PCB be it on a mobo, SSD or GPU. It's like fan blade colors and LEDs. It's totally irrational but to some people it's a big deal. I guess they don't actually use their PC components they just take them to school for show and tell... :wtf: I think the expression "get a life" is really appropriate in these circumstances -- though no offense is intended, really.
It's pretty simple, really. If you buy a case with a window, you accept that you will spend more or choose different parts so that when you USE the window, which means looking at it, because that's what windows are for, you see something visually pleasing to you personally.

And as long as hard earned money is involved, people can be as intense about what they buy as they want, and it means nothing more than an urge to get the most value out of the choices they make (ie, the territory that comes with a windowed PC case).
 
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Color does matter ...in fact it matters so much some people change the color of there skin ...are you listening Michael .

:wtf:...... Michael cant hear anybody anymore.....