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DISCLAIMER: I have been a member here for a little while now, and consider TPU my home on the web. I love this place! That being said, I refuse to let his place deteriorate into a polarized and vicious place where people are ridiculed and condemned for their hardware preferences. If this thread begins to slide in that direction, I will politely ask a mod to close it. I would like a considerate and educated discussion on the topic, because at the end of the day, I visit this place daily to educate myself and learn from others more knowledgeable than I. Thank you for your time.

As some of you know, I have always been a fan of AMD. Up until recently, I had quite literally never owned an Intel chip. To put that into context, my first AMD processor was an Am486 back in the early nineties, and I have usually skipped about every other generation since then, with the occasional exception here and there when something is extraordinary or hardware needs dictate.

With respect to video cards, I was a huge fan of 3Dfx cards during the Voodoo/Banshee years, and had a few NV cards after 3Dfx imploded, but for the most part have stuck to ATi/AMD. I have used the same upgrade schedule as with my processors, usually skipping every other generation of cards. I began using Crossfire with a pair of 4850s and have used it continuously since, as I believe multi GPU is the future, due to the fact that trying to continuously increase performance using a larger die, is not nearly as cost effective as combining small GPUs and using them in parallel, due to yield issues...but that is a discussion for another time.

Now to the topic at hand:
I recently upgraded from a FX9370@4.9Ghz in a 990FX Sabertooth with 16GB @ 2133Mhz to a 6700k@4.6Ghz in a Z170 Sabertooth Mark 1 with 32GB @ 3000Mhz. What on the surface appears to be a relatively minor upgrade (8cores to 4c/8t; comparable boards; double the amount of ram), has revealed to me some very interesting characteristics between the two platforms themselves and I would appreciate some insight from the community, if you all would indulge me.

Regarding the File System - The first thing I noticed was that the desktop and file system did not seem to be as "zippy" as the AMD platform. I know this is relative and a perception, and not really "measurable" to any degree, but I notice this whether I am browsing through the file system on an SSD or HDD/opening browser/using desktop. I still feel this way, but do not notice it as much anymore, but immediately upon the switch, it was very apparent. Has anyone else noticed this, or is it simply my mind playing tricks on me, because I am just looking for a single point that the 9370 is "better" at?

Regarding the Video Card(s) - With respect to the 6700k, I can say that I am blown away...not necessarily by the power of the chip, but by the platform itself. It seems that the platform allows my video cards to "breathe" more. What I mean by this is that my cards used to show 100% usage with the 9370, same as they do now. However, the temperatures of the cards are measurably higher with the 6700k, in the exact same environment, and the performance is measurably better by a significant margin. This leads me to believe that though monitors show the card(s) running 100% with both platforms, the Intel platform is actually letting the card(s) work harder. I assume this is due to the fact they are being fed data quicker/PCIe 3.0 is mainly responsible. Anyone with more knowledge than me know if that is the case, or did the temps increase for some other, as yet undiscovered reason?

Regarding the 6700k - In decently multi-threaded games, I haven't noticed much of a difference, just a marginal frame rate increase. Where I notice a drastic improvement is in single threaded and lightly threaded games. This is most apparent when playing Cities:Skylines. (I'm addicted to this game and have it heavily modded). I know the increase in instructions per clock carry a huge amount of weight, but I am tempted to pull half the RAM and see if that is instead the reason for the dramatic performance increase in that particular game. Which would you guys think? IPC or RAM being responsible?

Regarding CPU Temperatures - Intel measures temperatures weird. I always kept the max temp on the 9370 under 60c, and only that high when stress testing. The 6700k is safe to 81c and that is on the low end of the safety spectrum, but the chip itself is a WAY lower TDP, and definitely runs cooler in my rig, but measurable temps of the core are substantially higher. Anyone care to weigh in on why this is?

Regarding MB Temperatures - The temperatures on the MB itself aren't that much different than the 990FX...besides the VRMs. The VRMs on the 990FX would get HOT, and I mean hot as the blazing sun. The Z170 board stays much cooler, even under heavy load and stress testing. I assume this is due to the lower TDP, and lower power requirements of the 14nm node. Is that correct or am I just speaking out of my arse?

Overall I am happy with the upgrade, even if for the Cities:Skylines performance alone. I am still a huge AMD fan, and will definitely switch to Zen if it is up to the task, and if not, will upgrade my wife's rig to Zen instead. But Intel makes a pretty damn impressive chip, but an even more impressive platform that allows the rest of the machine to really shine.

The unique differences in the platform have been educational. I am somewhat tempted now to skip an AMD generation and try out some NV SLI action to see the difference in perceived visual quality over the long term. I'll have to wait for prices to drop first though...those things are pricey right now, like when the 290x was being used in mining machines.

Thanks for any input you guys might have. :toast:

JAT
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Where to start...........

1. PCIe 2.0 to 3.0 makes 1% difference. It was the CPU holding things back. Your very own TPU covers this ;).
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...nThhiJxXhnCPtPasZ-0HDw&bvm=bv.129759880,d.eWE
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2. As far as that 'Cities' game... no clue... never saw it tested. Give it a try and report back to the community. I highly doubt its ram though... it is rarely the case of holding anything back.
3. Temps and wattage... Science my friend! Let me ask you this, what is hotter? The yellow flame of a lighter, or the yellow flame in a bonfire? The answer..... both the same temperature but clearly the bonfire has more energy behind it... can you make the leap to CPUs from there?
4. Mobo Temps - That is exactly it. AMD put out a god damn power hungry chip at stock that just pounds more energy when overclocked. Id venture to say that nearly 50% of AMD boards that came out which 'support' FX83/93 line, would throttle the chips at stock.
 
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Just use whatever hardware you want and dont get too worked up when someone says "it sux".

Did you upgrade to windows 10 when you built this computer? or did you have win10 on your old FX9370?
 
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AMD like my exgirlfriend; takes a lot of resources and gives too little pleasure.

Intel is like my secondary dream girlfriend; takes a lot but the pleasure is simply dragontastic.


Use what you want. No one is forcing you to go red or blue or purple. This little rant of yours is kinda pointless.
 
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This can be closed. I apologize if this was taken as a rant. It was not intended as one. I was curious of other users experience. Thanks though.

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This can be closed. I apologize if this was taken as a rant. It was not intended as one. I was curious of other users experience. Thanks though.

JAT

Lol, you are already getting worked up just because he said your thread was pointless......you cant be so sensitive especially if you are an AMD user!

Please make a new thread about your problems, maybe someone can help you.
 

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Ironically the AMD CPUs work better with Nvidia GPUs because they use more cores with their driver. AMD GPUs need high IPC, that's why the Skylake helped so much on your Crossfire system - and especially because it's Crossfire, it needs even more CPU power.

Maybe AMD FX system feels snappier in Windows because of the 8 cores being of use there, but that's just a speculation. Could be energy saving too (on the Intel CPU) though. Smart move nonetheless to change the CPU.
 
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I'm along time user of AMD way back because I could not afford Intel. As of Sandy Bridge I switch to Intel / Nvidia. Never looked back. Graphic cards works better, benchmarks are higher. But I still have a place in my heart for AMD. Always have and I hope Zen does well. This month in PC mag they feature an AMD $699 gaming build so they are still an option in the gaming community. As far as rants and arguments in threads, I really don't see the issue. If you reply negatively to me I will not reply. I think its a good policy to have. Solves those issues real fast. I don't need the last word as I am an adult.
 
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Most of the hardware these days come pre-loaded with pretty good stuff. Like a previous member has stated it before, do not get too worked up in all the specs and all. It will just add to the confusion I am saying this because I have been through this myself.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Ironically the AMD CPUs work better with Nvidia GPUs because they use more cores with their driver. AMD GPUs need high IPC, that's why the Skylake helped so much on your Crossfire system - and especially because it's Crossfire, it needs even more CPU power.
Links to support your first sentence??? And first part of the second sentence??

Spot on with multi-gpu (both red and green) with Intel able to push it better.
 

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As of Sandy Bridge I switch to Intel / Nvidia. Never looked back. Graphic cards works better, benchmarks are higher
Yup, that's how it was for me.

I don't have a soft spot for AMD because they are where they are due to years of mismanagement.
 
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Most of the hardware these days come pre-loaded with pretty good stuff. Like a previous member has stated it before, do not get too worked up in all the specs and all. It will just add to the confusion I am saying this because I have been through this myself.

I think this post goes against the general nature of the members here at TPU... No offense, but discussing hardware and examining specs is precisely the point of this forum...
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
And there are significant differences between them... hence the thread...
 
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I never cared about benchmarks. I just purchase what I need at time of need within my budget. Since I don't OC, I always get the cheapest mobo. I just keep things under 90c and as long as they don't crash, that's fine by me.

Having said that, AMD has been out of my picture since 4 x 4 failure. And AMD (ATI) GPU has been out of picture ever since I started using CUDA.

To sum it up, I do what I do. I don't care about what people say. I will do researches on google for reviews and make up my own conclusion cuz ... I have a brain of my own?
 
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I think this post goes against the general nature of the members here at TPU... No offense, but discussing hardware and examining specs is precisely the point of this forum...
I have requested the thread be closed. This thread was apparently interpreted as a rant on my part, and that was not the intention. My disclaimer was simply to request this not turn in to an AMD vs Intel vs NV thread. I was genuinely excited to share my experience with this platform switch, especially being my first jump into Intel after over 20 years of building PCs, and was looking to have an educated discussion regarding other members personal experiences between the platforms. I obviously failed in that attempt.

Most replies have been along the lines of "choose what you want, no one is forcing you to use brand X". For clarity, I always buy the brand I prefer, and never mentioned anyone forcing a brand on anyone.

I was trying to do my best to temper my enthusiasm for AMD, to simply say how amazing I found the Intel chip, and that it had caused me to want to try an NV set of cards to see the differences that carries on the platform as a whole. Just something I wanted to let others know.

I apologize if I offended anyone, or that this was taken as "rant" on my part. PCMR was obviously a better place for this discussion, and this thread can be closed now. Thanks.

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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
JA, with respect, you need to get some thicker skin. I honestly cannot believe from the replies you have seen here that this thread warrants being closed. One person thinks its a rant and you then want to take your ball and go home???

Come on man, show some fortitude!!! :fear: :peace: :lovetpu:
 
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I wasn't commenting at all on the threads subject, FWIW. Sorry for the tangent.
 

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The word "rant" can now be considered voodoo and a thread closer.

You went from AMD fanboy to saying how great your i7 is with the only downside being the FX on crack feeling snappier than the i7. Sure maybe AMD unlocked the secret to a snappier feeling OS with their 4+ year processors (admit it the 9000 FX series is just the 8000 chips full of morphine and crack ) but you are comparing two completely different processors from two completely different generations including dram generations.

The only AMD chips i care for are the cute little AM1s and my 3420m that can clock from 1.5ghz to 2.7ghz. I've had no love for the AM3 platform nor any for the entire FX lineup.

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I practice real estate law for a living, and I can assure you I have thick skin. I'm old and enjoy tech as hobby. I just don't appreciate rude. Wouldn't the world be such a better place if courtesy and politeness were the norm? I thrive to do my best to never be intentionally offensive and raise my kids the same way.

I love this place and have been here for quite a long while, but it seems lately that rude is just normal.

I know I'm comparing drastically different platforms, I even discuss it. It was just a personal experience that I was looking to share with the community and hopefully spur an educated discussion, and maybe I might learn something in the process. No worries though..Life is too short to subject yourself to rude and offensive behavior.
 
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When my son was a kid (11-12) (33 now!) he asked me what cpu I had just bought. Pentium I said. Oohh, no, he said, go with AMD, , , Went with & stayed with amd ever since. I do have intel computers, older, free ones. I do prefer amd's tho, , ,

a few laptops w/ intels, some w/ amds, all used, , , ,

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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
I practice real estate law for a living, and I can assure you I have thick skin. I'm old and enjoy tech as hobby. I just don't appreciate rude. Wouldn't the world be such a better place if courtesy and politeness were the norm? I thrive to do my best to never be intentionally offensive and raise my kids the same way.

I love this place and have been here for quite a long while, but it seems lately that rude is just normal.

I know I'm comparing drastically different platforms, I even discuss it. It was just a personal experience that I was looking to share with the community and hopefully spur an educated discussion, and maybe I might learn something in the process. No worries though..Life is too short to subject yourself to rude and offensive behavior.
ignore those posts...if it gets out of hand, report THOSE posts/users for moderation help.

But, honestly, this is MOST forums, including TPU, when they get big there is always that type of behavior.

You should join Overclockers.com...smaller community, just as if not more knowledgeable than here and WAY less riff raff in the forums.

Anyway, I digress. :)
 

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ignore those posts...if it gets out of hand, report THOSE posts/users for moderation help.

But, honestly, this is MOST forums, including TPU, when they get big there is always that type of behavior.

You should join Overclockers.com...smaller community, just as if not more knowledgeable than here and WAY less riff raff in the forums.

Anyway, I digress. :)
Just don't go to Tomshardware where you can literally find 40 threads of the same exact topic and all have different answers from the same people.
 

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Check my system specs. On Air Loaded the cpu runs in 50s, that said overclocked to max, I cant get further without needing to spend on water.

Also the Tech is from 2010-2012. Zen appears to be a pretty good chip.

Honest to say we trully need super 7 back
 
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Regarding CPU Temperatures
IIRC, it's because of where the reading is taken. (I've never quite understood this so it's hard for me to explain) The Intel's temperature is read in the die, while AMD's is read on the package????? They way I think of it; Intel's is read closer to the source of the heat.
I'm old..... but it seems lately that rude is just normal.
But haven't we seen that trend in society? How much of a snot where you when you were 20? (yes @Toothless , I'm talking about you:p) I know I knew everything when I was 18.
I was looking to share with the community and hopefully spur an educated discussion,
I don't think there are many who have a similar experience to discuss. IMHO, most made the switch a long time ago or are holding out for ZEN.
Secondly, people today don't seem to be able to participate in an debate. You offered up your experience, and most have responded with 1-2 sentences. Going deeper than that is foreign to most everyone, it seems. Then there's that time thing....:laugh:
Regarding the File System
For a long time, my son had an i5-650 and I had an X2-4400+. I would have to go back and forth between the two, and that old 4400+ felt just as fast as his. Way back time machine: IIRC in Win3.1, there was a setting (I can't recall where) to adjust how quickly the GUI responded. Therefore, most likely, the speed that the GUI responds is not determined by the CPU (unless it's really slow/overloaded) but by settings within the OS. I would not be surprised if AMD and Intel have custom "profiles" within OS's and maybe AMD cached more of the directory tree.
 
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IIRC, it's because of where the reading is taken. (I've never quite understood this so it's hard for me to explain) The Intel's temperature is read in the die, while AMD's is read on the package????? They way I think of it; Intel's is read closer to the source of the heat.

Thank you for this. This makes sense to me, and is a logical explanation why. This is the kind of information I was looking for!

But haven't we seen that trend in society? How much of a snot where you when you were 20? (yes @Toothless , I'm talking about you:p) I know I knew everything when I was 18.

I don't think there are many who have a similar experience to discuss. IMHO, most made the switch a long time ago or are holding out for ZEN.
Secondly, people today don't seem to be able to participate in an debate. You offered up your experience, and most have responded with 1-2 sentences. Going deeper than that is foreign to most everyone, it seems. Then there's that time thing....:laugh:

This is just exceptionally sad that we have gotten to this point as a society.

For a long time, my son had an i5-650 and I had an X2-4400+. I would have to go back and forth between the two, and that old 4400+ felt just as fast as his. Way back time machine: IIRC in Win3.1, there was a setting (I can't recall where) to adjust how quickly the GUI responded. Therefore, most likely, the speed that the GUI responds is not determined by the CPU (unless it's really slow/overloaded) but by settings within the OS. I would not be surprised if AMD and Intel have custom "profiles" within OS's and maybe AMD cached more of the directory tree.

This also is logical and makes sense. I will have to dig deeper into this and see if I can find this setting to adjust. Thanks for a little education!
 
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