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Hello guys, a friend of mine wants to build a pc and i need some help picking parts , main purpose is gaming.
Budget around 1350GBP , needs psu,motherboard,cpu,ram,gpu,case,ssd,hdd(1tb is enough),monitor(144hz),keyboard and some speakers.
I suggested this : (keyboard might change).

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (£159.54 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX B350-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard (£104.95 @ AWD-IT)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws 4 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£92.92 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial - MX300 275GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£67.40 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£37.50 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB ARMOR Video Card (£420.00 @ Novatech)
Case: Fractal Design - Define C ATX Mid Tower Case (£74.10 @ Novatech)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 (EU) 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£75.08 @ CCL Computers)
Case Fan: ARCTIC - F12 PWM 74.0 CFM 120mm Fan (£4.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Monitor: LG - 24GM79G-B 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor (£219.95 @ Amazon UK)
Keyboard: Corsair - K70 RAPIDFIRE Wired Gaming Keyboard (£74.98 @ AWD-IT)
Speakers: Creative Labs - Inspire T10 10W 2ch Speakers (£35.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Total: £1367.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-12 23:28 GMT+0000


Thanks.
 
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I'd recommend a different power supply. Possibly seasonic focus+ , they've been on sale lately. Or maybe a EVGA G2. I'm not 100% sure but if I recall correctly the G3 has like four or more +12 V rails. Maybe a little more ram too, 8 gb is iffy.
The 550 watt G3 has a single +12V rail. I agree to go with more RAM though. If budget is tight maybe go with some slower RAM but get 16 GB.
 
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Disregard what I said about the G3 EVGA . I must've mistaken for a different power supply.

So then it would boil down to just the ram I think 16 GB would be a better choice. We're getting to the point in time where 8 GB just doesn't suffice any longer, it used to and you'd still be able to get by but I have a feeling you'd hit the ceiling more often than not with only 8gb
 
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I'd recommend a different power supply. Possibly seasonic focus+ , they've been on sale lately. Or maybe a EVGA G2. I'm not 100% sure but if I recall correctly the G3 has like four or more +12 V rails. Maybe a little more ram too, 8 gb is iffy.
It is too expensive to buy more ram, speed isn't the issue as the price difference between different speeds isn't that much. I tried to fit 16gb ram into the build but they can always be added later instead of picking worse components right now.
 

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If a regular 1070 is available save the dough, otherwise find a 1080...
 
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It is too expensive to buy more ram, speed isn't the issue as the price difference between different speeds isn't that much. I tried to fit 16gb ram into the build but they can always be added later instead of picking worse components right now.
Yeah you can totally buy it down the road. As I mentioned, it'll suffice but you may encounter times where it's not enough, or you may find that it's sufficient, and you just saved your friend a large amount of cash.:D

This is one of the main things stopping me over the past couple years from upgrading my systems. The price of RAM is through the roof, it's out of control. I currently have 4 PCs in my home, each of them running 16 GB of RAM. I hate to think what it would cost to upgrade:ohwell:. Obviously it wouldn't all be at once but I'm trying to get the most out of this DDR3 that I can. When I bought most of it, the price was very low. If I recall correctly I was paying $70 for 16 GB of RAM at Micro Center. It also doesn't help that I'm very, very cheap :laugh:


id say your instincts were good when putting the build together. looks like its time to pull the trigger if no other questions remain.:toast:
 
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Can your friend wait ?

In just a few months the 2k series gtx will come out also the new cpu's from Amd..... let's face you will see no,or little difference in terms of fps, but my guess is that they will cost the same. Why not get the 2018 technology instead of old stuff.
 
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If a regular 1070 is available save the dough, otherwise find a 1080...
I can save around 40gbp going to a 1070 and a 1080 is 90gbp more, i thought the price of the 1070ti made it the best but i may be wrong.
 
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i thought the price of the 1070ti made it the best but i may be wrong.
The price differential is often so small between the two you might just as well buy a 1080.
 
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Get a bigger SSD. I just added a 500 GB SSD to my system last month, I only have 3 games installed on it, and it's already half full.

 
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The price differential is often so small between the two you might just as well buy a 1080.
Well, 90gbp isn't that small tbh.

As for the ssd, 240-275gb is enough according to him. I myself never had a problem with my 256gb ssd, i never have many games installed(finish and delete).
 
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I wouldn't step down to a 1070 (non Ti) since he wants a 144 Hz monitor. I assume he wants very high FPS. The 1070 Ti is a great choice for most games. Of course a 1080 would be a little better. There's always better. Next generation from Nvidia the 1070 equivalent will probably perform around the present 1080 Ti. A gaming rig is a never ending series of upgrades but your friend probably knows that.
 
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Get a bigger SSD. I just added a 500 GB SSD to my system last month, I only have 3 games installed on it, and it's already half full.

ssd still expensive if you compare it to platter drive
i dunno i got less trust on WD, got some WD and dead for some reason in short time. still prefer seagate for hdd
 
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Well, 90gbp isn't that small tbh.
It's your call or your friend's. A 1080 OC'ed is well ahead of a 1070ti OC'ed.
 
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It's your call or your friend's. A 1080 OC'ed is well ahead of a 1070ti OC'ed.
I know, my goal was a 1080, maybe with a cheaper keyboard (magicforce 68 with outemu) and increase the budget by the rest, i'll have to ask him for this.
 
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I know, my goal was a 1080, maybe with a cheaper keyboard (magicforce 68 with outemu) and increase the budget by the rest, i'll have to ask him for this.
do u not need an OS, or is that something that is already taken care of?
 
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Regarding the motherboard I would recommend the ASUS Prime X370 Pro. Has higher quality parts (e.g. mosfets) and better / more OC options in the bios. It costs only about £20 more.
 
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Regarding the motherboard I would recommend the ASUS Prime X370 Pro. Has higher quality parts (e.g. mosfets) and better / more OC options in the bios. It costs only about £20 more.
That board has some really poor ratings, not sure if i can recommend something like that.
 
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I would get 16GB RAM, 1080 instead of 1070Ti and MX500 SSD instead of MX300 :)
 
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You said "Main purpose is gaming" ... in which case, I wouldn't use a Ryzen 1600

Review the list of pros / cons at TPUs review here:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_1600/21.html

The 1st of which should be of primary importance give the stated usage:

"Gaming frame rates lower than competing Intel chips"

I understand your budget limitations but remember that in the end, it's cheaper to buy what you need / want up front as opposed to remove and replace.....

1. See above review. Comparable Intel CPU would be a 7500 ....

2. Be aware of MoBo limitations ... No 2nd GFX card option (non issue at 1080p) but would be if considering 2160p in future. Luckily this MoBo has a decenbt audio (ALC1220) solution

3. Adding RAM, espeially on a low budget board and at that speed is an iffy proposition on any CPU, especially at that speed. If they don't come in the same package, you have no guarantee. Also see above review "Memory frequency options and memory compatibility limited Setup complicated (memory, HPET, CCX, SMT, and power profile)". This may or may not be an issue for ya friend.

4. Blue is a rather slow drive and 1 GB bit small for a gaming library, As you can see SSHDs more than twice as fast as Blue and 50 % fasrter then WD Black (and SSHD ~ 1% fail rate) .... http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/hdd-charts-2013/-17-PCMark-7-Gaming,2915.html

5. Armor is the choice over the Aero if ya can't get the Gaming X

6. We generally recommend the Phantex cases over the Fractal's in most proce tiers.

7. I'd recommend the VG248QR or BenQXL2411 which are also 144 Hz but have better (as tested) specs and about the same price.

Our budget based recommended system consists of an 8600k, Scythe Fuma or Mugen Max, Dual GFX card **capable** MoBo w/ ALC 1220, 250GB SSD, 2TB SSHD, 2 x 8GB RAM , GTX 1070, Phanteks Case and 620 watt PSU.

Thats not going to happen with 16GB at your budget but going w/ your RAM, your GPU. your SSD and leaving out speakers / KB, it comes in at 1375 GBP. Again, as per TPU testing It would be 20% faster then the Ryzen 1600 @ 1080p not counting the 2% extra as that review is based on 7700k. Kaby Lake was a pretty much assured 20% OC (5.0 Ghz) ... haven't seen enough stats on Coffee Lake, tho appears to be about the same.

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CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor (£195.50 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Scythe - Mugen MAX 97.2 CFM CPU Cooler (£42.95 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI - Z370 GAMING PLUS ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£113.99 @ Ebuyer)
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Storage: Crucial - MX300 275GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£69.96 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate - FireCuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive (£79.06 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB ARMOR Video Card (£420.00 @ Novatech)
Case: Phanteks - Enthoo Pro M ATX Mid Tower Case (£59.98 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - EVO Edition 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£75.46 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: Asus - VG248QE 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor (£224.99 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £1374.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Now if ya friend intends to add video editing and other workstation apps to his list of usages to any significant extent, I would stick w/ a Ryzen build ... for gaming only, the TPU numbers don't point this way tho.
 
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If at the same price why not pick the evga g3 550w instead of the seasonic one? Its gold rated as well and from what i know it is better build too.
The ram i only picked that because it was quite cheap tbh, i do not expect it to reach 3200mhz, but i hope they will reach 29xx-3066 with decent timings.
As for the case, it is his choice(ill show him some good cases at around the same price).
Thanks for the input on the CPU, i forgot tbh to check for the intel counterparts, i will still recommend the ryzen though, he will get better fps with the intel for now but the AM4 socket will support the new CPUs so it makes it easier for upgrades in the future.
For the HDD i think he has one 2tb WD green in his old pc, we'll test if its working and not get another. So no need to include one for now.
I only picked that motherboard due to being the cheapest with the ALC1220 and the intel nic, the msi carbon pro b350 has both and is around that price but i do not like the placement of the m.2 below the GPU.
As for the monitor, i do not know the differences between the lg, zowie and asus and which one is better so ill recommend the asus one you posted or the zowie.

Thanks for help.
 
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#24
There is a discount on the 7700k for 250gbp and also the z270 mark 1 for 150gbp, do you think it will be better to go for the i7 as he will game at 144hz monitor and a 1060 for now?
It will be something like this :

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (£257.94 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£39.46 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX Z270F ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£153.59 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Kingston - HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory (£85.48 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: ADATA - Ultimate SU800 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£74.92 @ More Computers)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB FTW2 GAMING iCX Video Card (£283.61 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox 5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£59.44 @ Box Limited)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 (EU) 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£75.00 @ Aria PC)
Monitor: Asus - VG248QE 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor (£224.95 @ Aria PC)
Keyboard: EagleTec - KG011 Wired Gaming Keyboard (£46.99 @ Amazon UK)
Speakers: Creative Labs - Inspire T10 10W 2ch Speakers (£35.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Total: £1337.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-01-21 18:28 GMT+0000
 

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#25
The cost of DRAM and GPUs is prohibitively expensive right now. I'm not upgrading for the very reason that DRAM and GPUs are outrageously priced right now. If you friend can wait, I highly suggest that he do so.