need help pick my first water cooling loop

[Ja.KooLit]

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please look at here for my question

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/t...water-cooling-loop.195434/page-3#post-3079842

 

[Fourstaff]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7363/...id-cooling-guide-how-to-why-to-what-to-expect

Good place to start.

 

[d1nky]

aim for 120mm rad space per heat source then plus 120 for headroom.

fancontrollers are a good idea, or even a connection from mobo fan pwm header to fan splitter/hub.

compression fittings equal the same size hose, barbs have the hose one size smaller.

plan your loop for angled fittings, could use string and make notes of the angles and location of components. really take time planning the loop.

read lots of guides ^^

also post some pics of your rig and shopping list so that others can double check!

 

[Ja.KooLit]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7363/...id-cooling-guide-how-to-why-to-what-to-expect

Good place to start.

Thanks... honestly, I have been reading already for like 2 to 3 months regarding water cooling... its not like I decided today I will do water cooling.

I just dont want to end up getting a parts without doing extensive search about it. I have learned my mistake already when I build my current rig. When I build first time my current rig, I went to retailer, and I told him I want to build a computer.... so without that much knowledge, he game me a list. did some search that night about it....... and it looks same. Now I end up hating my current mobo that cant do tri fire - tri sli, my 2 gpu's which are more than 2 slot...... my current PSU now is 2nd PSU cause first build was a cheap ass PSU.....

I dont want to end up buying again and again due because I didnt search that much.

But because when I search frozen cpu, there is alot of options..... from fittings to water block so on and so forth.

Thats why I decided to ask community now for suggestion of parts I needed so I wont end up with disappointments... you know

 

[Ja.KooLit]

aim for 120mm rad space per heat source then plus 120 for headroom.

fancontrollers are a good idea, or even a connection from mobo fan pwm header to fan splitter/hub.

compression fittings equal the same size hose, barbs have the hose one size smaller.

plan your loop for angled fittings, could use string and make notes of the angles and location of components. really take time planning the loop.

read lots of guides ^^

also post some pics of your rig and shopping list so that others can double check!

ok yeah its a good idea.... i will do some shopping first frozen cpu then I will come back......

 

[Wrigleyvillain]

I just dont want to end up getting a parts without doing extensive search about it. I have learned my mistake already when I build my current rig. When I build first time my current rig, I went to retailer, and I told him I want to build a computer.... so without that much knowledge, he game me a list. did some search that night about it....... and it looks same. Now I end up hating my current mobo that cant do tri fire - tri sli, my 2 gpu's which are more than 2 slot...... my current PSU now is 2nd PSU cause first build was a cheap ass PSU.....

I dont want to end up buying again and again due because I didnt search that much.

This is exactly why I would buy a full used loop or like one of the XSPC Rasa kits. No worries that you are missing anything or ordering something wrong (and then have to wait longer) plus months of "reading" does not compare at all to what you will learn in minutes actually having all this stuff in your hands.

Thats how I did it. Used CPU loop for $150 back in 2007.

 

[d1nky]

that is another option.

i bought a xspc RS kit (rasa) but youll find it wont stay that way. the X20 pumps wont feed multiple rads and blocks.

the larger kits would amount to the same cost as a custom, but a custom will probably perform better and meet the right needs.

just do it all properly and double check twice

 

[Sasqui]

night.fox, another option to consider is 2 separate loops, one for CPU and another dedicated for the GPU(s). It will be a little more costly, but the maintenance and temp load balancing will be much simpler. The biggest extra expense would be another reservoir, assuming you are going with two pumps anyway.

 

[Wrigleyvillain]

No they won't but it's a great, noob-safe start from which to truly learn the ins and outs and then upgrade. I was totally daunted by all the info and options online (barb? compression? How many? What size? how much tubing do I need? wtf is G1/4? etc etc) and everybody at first is scared to death of soaking their rig. It just took away a lot of the initial (and potential) bs and stress, I found.

 

[Ja.KooLit]

ha.... cannot multi quote post now.. lol

anyway,

oh I didnt know that.. RASA kits are used? ok... i will look into that....

@Sasqui, ok..... didnt thought about 2 separate loops... but sounds like a messy set up but its true what you have said..... temp load balancing is easier.....

I just thought about dual slot 2 pumps cause sounds like 360mm and 2 x 120 radiator is a big loop. ha ha...... but can one pump deliver?

at wrigley, EXACTLY MY POINT! with all these options like size of tubings, fittings, compression fittings 1/4, 1/2 wtf, its makes me wanna just give up planning lol. But it sounds like fun....

 

[Wrigleyvillain]

It is fun but trust me it will be less fun if you buy something wrong or screw something up due to lack of knowledge/experience. There's not much to it really provided you have everything you need (and a leak is very unlikely). No the Rasa kits are all new, quality XSPC components but sometimes people on forums sell "complete" loops. Think other shops have custom "kits" too maybe Performance PCs.

 

[Ja.KooLit]

It is fun but trust me it will be less fun if you buy something wrong or screw something up due to lack of knowledge/experience. There's not much to it really provided you have everything you need (and a leak is very unlikely). No the Rasa kits are all new, quality XSPC components but sometimes people on forums sell "complete" loops. Think other shops have custom "kits" too maybe Performance PCs.

exactly! hu... sounds complicated. I have the fear of buying again and again

well my main reason of going into water loop is because of the crappy ref cooler of 290's which I want to acquire.... with the fear of making a water loop, might wanna just get ref 780ti (kinda need a ref blower type) and call it a day...

my vapor x are silent in idle! but when Im gaming, they are loud. imagine the ref 290's ^_^

 

[d1nky]

trust me it isnt as hard as people make out! i was a noob to watercooling a few months ago, now im able to do near enough anything with watercooling.

the RS kits are ok for small loops, but if you get a kit with X20 pump/res it will not deliver enough flow for 2/3rads and 2/3blocks.


the fittings are simple,

compressions equal the size of the hose

barbs then the hose size smaller

the dual bay res you plan on getting will fit 2 d5 pumps, count the amount of fittings needed.

draw some plans on paint, and upload all ya plans/shopping list and pics of rig on here.

 

[ne6togadno]

ha.... cannot multi quote post now.. lol

keep hitting replay on post you like to quote and they will appear in replay form at the bottom following the order you have hit on replay

and upload pics of rig on here.

start with this ↑ first.

edit:
water loop in this case will be damn hard
edit2:
and expensive
edit3:
this is for the begining but you wont like it

fans:
4x http://www.coolermaster.com/product/Detail/cooling/sickleflow/sickleflow-120-2000rpm-red-led.html
4xhttp://www.coolermaster.com/product/Detail/cooling/sickleflow/sickleflow-120-2000rpm.html
pumps:
2xhttp://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/can-au-eu-mcp350-pumps-ddc-1t-35-shipped-pp.155400/unread

edit4:
i have updated frozencpu partlist cause i have selected fittings with non matching colors

edit5:
new update of partlist (2 additional straight fittings) and loop pic added

dark green--> straight fittings
red-->90deg fittings
blue-->45deg fittings
gray-->tubbing
yellow-->res+pumptop+pumps
purple-->rads
light green-->water blocks

 

[Ja.KooLit]

Thanks for all the help guys I really appreciate it...

anyway, I gave up the water cooling idea. It turns out not worth the hassle water cooling RV 03 case which are optimized for air coolers...

so now I just need to decide if it is R9 290's non ref cooler or GTX 780 ti.

I will wait for water cooling loop until i get a new case......

Once again thank you guys for all the feed bakcs

 

[Sasqui]

Thanks for all the help guys I really appreciate it...

anyway, I gave up the water cooling idea. It turns out not worth the hassle water cooling RV 03 case which are optimized for air coolers...

so now I just need to decide if it is R9 290's non ref cooler or GTX 780 ti.

I will wait for water cooling loop until i get a new case......

Once again thank you guys for all the feed bakcs

Hell, I got scared looking at the $773.80 price tag! I've said this before and will say it again... unless you really dig the watercooling hobby, you can get just about the same O/C results with high end air cooling at about 1/10 the cost. Personally, I probably wouldn't go watercooling again, but I'm glad I did. Good luck!

 

[d1nky]

Hell, I got scared looking at the $773.80 price tag! I've said this before and will say it again... unless you really dig the watercooling hobby, you can get just about the same O/C results with high end air cooling at about 1/10 the cost. Personally, I probably wouldn't go watercooling again, but I'm glad I did. Good luck!

depends what the goal of cooling is?! for 24/7 stable oc, yea high end aircooling would be best on X budget, basically clocking within the boundaries.

but for benching or pushing further in 24/7 OC, and quietness watercooling is priceless! it opens up doors never possible before.

that kit ne6 posted is quite scary at first glance, but tbh you could even half the cost or just W/C the cpu to begin with.

gpu blocks are pricey and require angled fittings, maybe the reason why mine isnt finished lol

and i agree the case is tiny but ive seen more done in less..

 

[Ja.KooLit]

keep hitting replay on post you like to quote and they will appear in replay form at the bottom following the order you have hit on replay



start with this ↑ first.

edit:
water loop in this case will be damn hard
edit2:
and expensive
edit3:
this is for the begining but you wont like it
View attachment 53233

fans:
4x http://www.coolermaster.com/product/Detail/cooling/sickleflow/sickleflow-120-2000rpm-red-led.html
4xhttp://www.coolermaster.com/product/Detail/cooling/sickleflow/sickleflow-120-2000rpm.html
pumps:
2xhttp://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/can-au-eu-mcp350-pumps-ddc-1t-35-shipped-pp.155400/unread

edit4:
i have updated frozencpu partlist cause i have selected fittings with non matching colors

edit5:
new update of partlist (2 additional straight fittings) and loop pic added
View attachment 53234
dark green--> straight fittings
red-->90deg fittings
blue-->45deg fittings
gray-->tubbing
yellow-->res+pumptop+pumps
purple-->rads
light green-->water blocks

didnt know you posted a complete list! Thank you very very very much. I will save this so if I re decide again ^_^... I just searched few minutes ago that 290 are not really that loud for some who has it..... so I'll give 2 for trial. If I got irritated in the noise then I will do water cooling. I wish I can give you double thanks or more thanks for these post of yours....

Hell, I got scared looking at the $773.80 price tag! I've said this before and will say it again... unless you really dig the watercooling hobby, you can get just about the same O/C results with high end air cooling at about 1/10 the cost. Personally, I probably wouldn't go watercooling again, but I'm glad I did. Good luck!

money was not really an issue..... imagine this one.. price of 780ti here $850 x 2 = 1700. 2 x 290's $470 a piece. 940 + 773.80 + 80$ shipping... 1793.8. All in all, it's same and CPU is water cooled ^_^

 

[MxPhenom 216]

aim for 120mm rad space per heat source then plus 120 for headroom.

fancontrollers are a good idea, or even a connection from mobo fan pwm header to fan splitter/hub.

compression fittings equal the same size hose, barbs have the hose one size smaller.

plan your loop for angled fittings, could use string and make notes of the angles and location of components. really take time planning the loop.

read lots of guides ^^

also post some pics of your rig and shopping list so that others can double check!

Im not sure why anyone would think that 120 rad per heat source is a good idea. Most 120 rads cannot dissipate more then 150w of heat. Most high end GPUs that that people water cool these days are far beyond that.

He would probably be perfectly fine with a 360 and a 240.

 

[d1nky]

i think its just to guage roughly how much rad you need, damn i wouldnt dream of running an FX chip on a 120 rad lol

if we were to say 240mm (which is about right) then people would be running a huge amount of rad

p.s i didnt mean 120 rad plus a 120 rad.

120*3 = 360mm rad.

 

[Ja.KooLit]

Im not sure why anyone would think that 120 rad per heat source is a good idea. Most 120 rads cannot dissipate more then 150w of heat. Most high end GPUs that that people water cool these days are far beyond that.

He would probably be perfectly fine with a 360 and a 240.

yeah but problem is space..... well i could put 360mm at the bottom and 240mm outside behind my case.....

damn the $773 that ne6 posted does not include fans and pumps yet lol..... all in all, the parts selected by ne6 is well selected....

 

[MxPhenom 216]

yeah but problem is space..... well i could put 360mm at the bottom and 240mm outside behind my case.....

damn the $773 that ne6 posted does not include fans and pumps yet lol..... all in all, the parts selected by ne6 is well selected....

That's what I would do till you have a case more water cool friendly. If you are going to do water cooling do it right the first go at it, is all I can say.

 

[ne6togadno]

yeah but problem is space..... well i could put 360mm at the bottom and 240mm outside behind my case.....

damn the $773 that ne6 posted does not include fans and pumps yet lol..... all in all, the parts selected by ne6 is well selected....

well if you drop that cf bullshit and get 290x instead you can save about 180$ from water block and fittings. but i sill would recommend you to get 2x mcp350 because of distances you have to cover.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

well if you drop that cf bullshit and get 290x instead you will can save about 180$ from water block and fittings. but i sill would recommend you to get 2x mcp350 because of distances you have to cover.

Just get the MCP35x.

 

[Ja.KooLit]

well if you drop that cf bullshit and get 290x instead you will can save about 180$ from water block and fittings. but i sill would recommend you to get 2x mcp350 because of distances you have to cover.

nah... dont want to drop CF... i need more power ^_^.