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I have a very niche situation (loft bed) where the extremely flat panel of the ASUS MS238 monitor worked well for me, and after over a decade of service, one of mine has died and I've been scouring the internet all day to no avail. Does anyone know of any other flat flat flat panel backlit LED IPS monitors, preferably around 24" and using 75Hz refresh or higher (I can see 60Hz and it triggers headaches)? I'm not too picky on the rest of the details. I'm not a gamer, I mostly just watch videos, do schoolwork, and scroll Facebook on this machine. I obviously don't want to see pixels or anything awful, but don't need gaming performance (I do play a few games, but nothing that refresh rate matters on), just looking for something comparable to the monitor that died (although I'm willing to upgrade if that's what it takes - it would be awesome if I could find one with a display port). The monitor I'm trying to replace is literally about an inch thick all the way down, no bulges, and it's proving very hard to replace. I can, however, deal with bulges at the bottom of the monitor in the back, just can't be in the middle or top, and the less bulky (thinner) the better. I'm flexible on the 1080p (has to be at least that, but can be more) and can go bigger (wider and taller, I have about 30" wide and 22" tall of space) to some extent, just not much thicker. Any links you can post would be super helpful. I am so out of touch with monitors, having not even looked at any in a decade since I got these. Bummed one died on me but they are well outside the warranty period. Obviously I looked at everything ASUS offers first and they don't seem to make anything comparable anymore. I would sincerely appreciate if you know of anything that even remotely looks like it might be a suitable replacement for this monitor! The main thing it needs to be less than 1.5" thick once the stand is removed (a slightly thicker bulge at the very bottom would be ok).

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The only thing remotely like that would be a portable notebook display, but they don't tend go bigger than 15.6".
This maybe? But it's smaller than what you want.

Also, I don't think 60Hz is your issue, but rather PWM backlight, which you don't want.
Yeah, I did find that one in my search and it would work if I could find one that shape but bigger, but it's too small. I really can't go down any smaller and have the workspace I need to be productive. I did find some Dell options that go down to 1.7" thick. Looks like I may have to deal with my monitor just being closer to my face than I like. It's just going to be a weird transition going from the new one that's an inch thicker to the old one that's so much thinner (and further away) which I use vertical as my secondary monitor (basically wall mounted). I suppose I could just suck it up and buy two new matching monitors, but I already had a lot of credit card debt and now is not the best time for that.

I will research that PWM backlight thing. I just know that in the past monitors running at 60Hz have caused me problems, and the thing I knew about them was they were all 60Hz, but you may be right, it might have been something else. That would be good to know as if I don't have to eliminate all 60Hz monitors, it widens my options a lot.
EDIT: Well, that is surely interesting (https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/pulse_width_modulation.htm)! I'm not sure that is my problem though since my current monitors are backlit LED and not bothering me. That being said, do you happen to know which companies are making monitors that work around this problem best? I did notice that ASUS does have some marketing on their monitors for being less eye strain, but they do not go into a lot of depth on exactly how all they accomplish that. Their site states "TÜV Rheinland-certified ASUS Flicker Free technology uses Smart Dynamic Backlight Adjustment to reduce flicker. This technology helps prevent low brightness levels that lead to high-speed flashing of the LED backlight, which in turn helps minimize instances of eyestrain that can result when using the monitor for long periods." This however, isn't going to work great for me as the very first thing I do when I get a monitor is turn the brightness to 0 (light is my enemy, I have migraine syndrome and light is a major trigger). A monitor that doesn't turn down to very dim isn't going to work for me. I am currently using a borrowed Dell monitor on 0 brightness and it's acceptable, although I do feel eye strain that I did not feel with my older ASUS monitors on 80 brightness. Perhaps if I turn the contrast down as well it would help, but I suspect it's some technology difference. I could probably adapt to it with time and enough messing with the settings. I'm reluctant to changes too many settings on someone else's monitor they loaned me as a kindness. I may not remember to set them all back to where they were before.
 
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viewsonic VX2476-smhd is thin and sleek,
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Do AOC make one that size?
I know they make a 24" 75Hz monitor as I have one, but unsure if they make a 27"
 
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Do AOC make one that size?
I know they make a 24" 75Hz monitor as I have one, but unsure if they make a 27"
27g2u5 but I don't think it's that thin.
 
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Nor 75Hz at native resolution.
it is 75Hz at native

 
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it is 75Hz at native

Uhm, did you read the manual?
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Yeah I meant the same, unless Viewsonic manual doesn't actually list "native" resolution in there.
 
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i thought that monitor OC uses a special kind of software.
i just create a custom resolution with 75Hz refresh rate, and it works
 
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Thanks everyone. I am going to trust TheLostSwede and say that 60Hz is probably OK if it's got some sort of non-flicker technology in the advertising. That's widened my search significantly. Dell makes one that is 1.58" thick and with downward facing ports, will work very well and not have me drilling a ton of holes to pass cables through: https://www.dell.com/en-us/member/s...19h/apd/210-arcf/monitors-monitor-accessories
 
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Thanks everyone. I am going to trust TheLostSwede and say that 60Hz is probably OK if it's got some sort of non-flicker technology in the advertising. That's widened my search significantly. Dell makes one that is 1.58" thick and with downward facing ports, will work very well and not have me drilling a ton of holes to pass cables through: https://www.dell.com/en-us/member/s...19h/apd/210-arcf/monitors-monitor-accessories
You might be able to create a custom profile for it at higher than 60Hz. My old U2515H runs at up 80Hz with a custom profile, even though officially it's only 60Hz.
 

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Thanks everyone. I am going to trust TheLostSwede and say that 60Hz is probably OK if it's got some sort of non-flicker technology in the advertising. That's widened my search significantly. Dell makes one that is 1.58" thick and with downward facing ports, will work very well and not have me drilling a ton of holes to pass cables through: https://www.dell.com/en-us/member/s...19h/apd/210-arcf/monitors-monitor-accessories
Yes, that's right, it's not the 60Hz refresh, but the PWM backlight that causes the eyestrain and headaches. How fast the screen refreshes makes no difference since LCD is a sample and hold technology. After several years, I stopped using my Asus 144Hz monitor when I realised that the PWM backlight was making my headaches worse. I also could slightly see the PWM artifacts. I now only use monitors with a steady backlight.

As you say that you don't play games, then a high refresh rate monitor isn't strictly a requirement for you, since all videos have framerates of either 24, 25, 30, 50 or 60Hz. Above 60 is very rare indeed and not worth worrying about. However, any framerate below 50 is gonna show judder (the so-called "filmic" effect, which looks awful) and is just inherent to the low framerate. The lower it is, the worse it gets. Also, you might still wanna consider a high refresh monitor, since only 30 divides evenly into 60. This means that an uneven movement judder is produced, which can be very noticeable and annoying; you must have seen it many times by now. However, this problem can be eliminated by setting the monitor to a refresh rate that's a multiple of the video's framerate. For example, 24 > 144, 25 > 50 (or 100 if 50 isn't available in the driver), 50 > 100. This way you will have a nice steady video playing.

You can easily see the video options available on a YouTube video by clicking the cog wheel, which will show if the framerate is 60fps. You can also tell exactly what it's running at, by right clicking it and selecting the stats for nerds option at the bottom of the pop-up menu and set your monitor refresh to have that divide evenly by it. can be a bit of a pain switching it manually like that between videos, but it's better than the annoying uneven judder.

There's also another benefit to high refresh rate monitors: movement on the Windows desktop looks much smoother, with less motion blur. Heck, even the mouse pointer! It's very noticeable indeed when dragging around windows, so is worth it in my book.

Hence, I still recommend a high refresh rate monitor, which isn't so expensive nowadays, especially 144Hz ones. Just steer clear of ones with a PWM backlight and you'll be ok for eyestrain and headaches.
 
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Yes, that's right, it's not the 60Hz refresh, but the PWM backlight that causes the eyestrain and headaches. How fast the screen refreshes makes no difference since LCD is a sample and hold technology. After several years, I stopped using my Asus 144Hz monitor when I realised that the PWM backlight was making my headaches worse. I also could slightly see the PWM artifacts. I now only use monitors with a steady backlight.

As you say that you don't play games, then a high refresh rate monitor isn't strictly a requirement for you, since all videos have framerates of either 24, 25, 30, 50 or 60Hz. Above 60 is very rare indeed and not worth worrying about. However, any framerate below 50 is gonna show judder (the so-called "filmic" effect, which looks awful) and is just inherent to the low framerate. The lower it is, the worse it gets. Also, you might still wanna consider a high refresh monitor, since only 30 divides evenly into 60. This means that an uneven movement judder is produced, which can be very noticeable and annoying; you must have seen it many times by now. However, this problem can be eliminated by setting the monitor to a refresh rate that's a multiple of the video's framerate. For example, 24 > 144, 25 > 50 (or 100 if 50 isn't available in the driver), 50 > 100. This way you will have a nice steady video playing.

You can easily see the video options available on a YouTube video by clicking the cog wheel, which will show if the framerate is 60fps. You can also tell exactly what it's running at, by right clicking it and selecting the stats for nerds option at the bottom of the pop-up menu and set your monitor refresh to have that divide evenly by it. can be a bit of a pain switching it manually like that between videos, but it's better than the annoying uneven judder.

There's also another benefit to high refresh rate monitors: movement on the Windows desktop looks much smoother, with less motion blur. Heck, even the mouse pointer! It's very noticeable indeed when dragging around windows, so is worth it in my book.

Hence, I still recommend a high refresh rate monitor, which isn't so expensive nowadays, especially 144Hz ones. Just steer clear of ones with a PWM backlight and you'll be ok for eyestrain and headaches.
It's odd that none of the monitors I look at seem to list that simple little detail anywhere in the specs. Maybe I should just assume that it's not PWM unless it says it is PWM? I have tried calling and emailing ASUS support for 4 days straight now. It's basically impossible to get anyone who can answer a questions about their monitors there.
 

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It's odd that none of the monitors I look at seem to list that simple little detail anywhere in the specs. Maybe I should just assume that it's not PWM unless it says it is PWM? I have tried calling and emailing ASUS support for 4 days straight now. It's basically impossible to get anyone who can answer a questions about their monitors there.
Oh no, getting a straight answer, or any answer out of these companies is well nigh on impossible. Just don't bother.

If it doesn't say either way in the specs on their website, then best to assume it's PWM. It may not be, but why chance it? My BenQ isn't PWM by the way. It's an old model, but they have plenty others similar to it in the ZOWIE gaming range without PWM and 144Hz and higher capability and there they do tell you. Note that it's a TN monitor, though, so you might want IPS for playing video... which is usually limited to 60Hz, sigh.

Also, look at the latest reviews on TFT Central for monitors. They tell you there for each model.

Finally, I would never trust a retailer's description, like Amazon, to be accurate, either.
 
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You need a database for this, here's a link for you. Don't worry, the link description is in german, but the actual site is in almost english.

1.5" = 38 mm, but I set it to 40. You can change the url manually to any integer you want:
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First of all, it's in europe, so you won't be able find a store, but you have a good chance to find the model you're looking for.
PCPartpicker seems like a good site in many ways, but when it comes to searching for specific specs, this site is miles ahead:

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Second, double/triple check the specs on the manufacturers site. Thickness seems to be measured without the bulge on many models.

Good luck!
 
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