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Hello, this is my first post on this site. Thank you in advance for taking a look at my setup and giving me advice on where to go.

I am Currently running and FX8350 at 4.4ghz, R9 270x and 8gb DDR3 @ stock clocking. I really only play IRacing and some World of Tanks both at 1080p @ 60hz My question is, what can I do do get a some more FPS out of my system? whether it be additional over clocking or hardware upgrade.

I'm running into issues under high load (a lot of vehicles in my view, cars crashing, tank blowing up, ect.) where my FPS is dropping a little under 50 and running around 60-70 normally with peaks around 130. I'm not looking for much but in need to stay above 60 because the screen tear is making it difficult to avoid wrecks and aim down the barrel.

My GPU is also over clocked about 5-7%

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What is your budget? You would be looking at a complete system upgrade or getting nice second-hand deals on an Intel DDR3 (Haswell > newer) platform, plus a new GPU. Alternatively, a new quadcore i3 or Ryzen 4c8t + DDR4.

The balance of your current system is quite fine, if you upgrade GPU, you will also want to do the rest. Otherwise the performance win is simply not worth it.

Any GPU faster than a GTX 970~980 will probably be running into CPU bottlenecking.
 
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I'd just get a GTX980 and call it good from there.
 
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I'd just get a GTX980 and call it good from there.
I agree this is a possible route, but then I saw this, and given his current FPS, that will probably not improve a whole lot. The only thing he wins is being able to crank up settings.

It also highlights the benefit of going the (cheap?) Haswell route. He needs a board and a CPU, RAM can move with it.

 
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a used i5 + overclocking the ram would be the cheapest option.

ryzen does really well in wot too



what about a 1300x then ?
 
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Upgrade 2 16 GB of ram , get ur self a better GPU , buy at least an Ivy bridge I7.
 
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I'm not really looking to spend a whole lot if I can get away with it. I was looking to see if maybe adding ram, going to 4.7ghz or upgrading GPU would help increase fps. I also read that some of the newer GPUs need a Mobo with UEFI? Is this true?

Is there a better CPU I can upgrade too on this AM3+ 890 mb?
 
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you're cpu limited here, upgrading the gpu would do very little. nvidia cards work better under dx11 cpu limited scenario, but don't expect miracles. you need a cpu with a faster single core and faster memory as well.
 
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Vayta86, what's funny is my fps never drops that low on WOT. My settings are on high and FOV @110 and draw distance set way out. Do we know what card he is running?

Thank you all for the info. I was afaid it might be time for a new build. Just don't wanna spend the money. I guess I got a good life out of my PC. It was originally built in 2011 with a PhenomII 555 with 2 cores unlocked and OC'ed to 4.2ghz and a 9800gt. Upgraded the card in 14 and the CPU early last year. It's been a good run!
 
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When your FPS dips, does your GPU usage also dips? If it does, then you're CPU (or memory bandwidth (Single Channel vs Dual)) limited and if it does not then you're GPU limited.
 
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Tell me when you play @ 720p do you have same fps drops?
 
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a R9 290 or even 380/390 plus 8gb more of ram for cheapest route. Also what are your game setting in WoT? Have you tried what the game reccomends? or are you going custom?
 
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I would upgrade completely at this point. FX series are just not cutting it. Get a new RyZen platform!
 
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When your FPS dips, does your GPU usage also dips? If it does, then you're CPU (or memory bandwidth (Single Channel vs Dual)) limited and if it does not then you're GPU limited.
CPU usage does not dip.

Tell me when you play @ 720p do you have same fps drops?
I will have to check, never tried that

a R9 290 or even 380/390 plus 8gb more of ram for cheapest route. Also what are your game setting in WoT? Have you tried what the game reccomends? or are you going custom?
I'm on recommended with slightly increase FOV and draw distance

I would upgrade completely at this point. FX series are just not cutting it. Get a new RyZen platform!
But then I need new Mobo and ram. If I'm doing that I'll just build all new
 
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a 290 or 380/390 + more ram will help. If you are looking for cheapest route. The above mentions of building a new system will ring true if you want to play some of todays and next years newer games.

edit if you are in USA, craigslist you will find a decent card i would avoid ebay
 
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Again. I really only play IRacing and WOT. No interest in playing much else. These two take up all my free time

Irrelevant, GPU usage is what matters.
Agreed, until your CPU is the bottleneck which I'm worried it will be if I bump my GPU to a 290 or 380-390
 
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980 this is a good deal from one of our own. not 380/390 but a great card.
 
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Again. I really only play IRacing and WOT. No interest in playing much else. These two take up all my free time


Agreed, until your CPU is the bottleneck which I'm worried it will be if I bump my GPU to a 290 or 380-390
This is the thing....Your FX is probably just fine until you get a bit better GPU I will say that you will experience maybe some minor loses of FPS with that R9 270x but as you did notice sometimes your minimal FPS are getting pretty low which is most likely that your CPU choke a bit GPU but as I said the FX should be mostly fine until this line of GPU´s for Nvidia GTX 780 TI and all above or for AMD R9 290 and above then you can expect more and more bottlenecking IF you playing games in 1080p.....
 
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If you are not planning to get anything above a 1060/980 I'd say go for it.

I had a an FX 6300 with a 1060 and it worked just fine.
 

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Agreed, until your CPU is the bottleneck which I'm worried it will be if I bump my GPU to a 290 or 380-390
Thus why, I asked if your GPU usage dips (not CPU) when your FPS dips.

When your FPS dips, does your GPU usage also dips? If it does, then you're CPU (or memory bandwidth (Single Channel vs Dual)) limited and if it does not then you're GPU limited.
You can use GPU-Z, MSI Afterburner or similars to monitor your GPU usage.

You want to know if your CPU will bottleneck a better GPU then you need to know if it's the CPU or the GPU that is currently causings the frame dips.
 
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8GB AMD Entertainment Series 1333 MHZ 9-9-9-24, Asus R9 270x DirectCUII Top 2GB
That's the only two things I'd look at upgrading better GPU R9 290 8GB and Faster Ram 8GB DDR1866 or 2400MHz and also up the clocks on the HT & North bridge to 2600MHz if it's not already that'll give you better through put and memory bandwidth
 
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I think around the RX 470 level would be the sweet spot, price for performance for your system.

They are pretty cheap now and would give you a significant boost in frame rate, and would go well with your FX-8350.
 
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You can use GPU-Z, MSI Afterburner or similars to monitor your GPU usage.

You want to know if your CPU will bottleneck a better GPU then you need to know if it's the CPU or the GPU that is currently causings the frame dips.
I m currently using CPUID and ASUS Afterburner to monitor usage and temps. I'm not really seeing a CPU dip and know for I fact I'm not getting GPU dips. The GPU seems to sit at 99% at all times in game with about 1800-1900MB vram usage and and about 4.5-5.2 GB Ram usage. CPU is at 90-98% usage on cores that are being used for the games.

That's the only two things I'd look at upgrading better GPU R9 290 8GB and Faster Ram 8GB DDR1866 or 2400MHz and also up the clocks on the HT & North bridge to 2600MHz if it's not already that'll give you better through put and memory bandwidth
Luckily DDR3 memory is not expensive at all anymore. But I'm going to try and OC the HT and NB first to see if that will help as well before I go spending more money on memory that I will only be using for another year or so.

I think around the RX 470 level would be the sweet spot, price for performance for your system.
does the RX470 require a UEFI Mobo to operate? I ask because I've read a lot of theads from multiple sites about newer cards not supporting legacy BIOS. And I can't seem to find any real clear answer as to what newer cards work on legacy BIOS and what ones don't. I wish the MOBO manufacturers would include this kind of information on their compatibility list, but I can understand why they don't. Their boards are usually out of date by the time this sort of thing is an issue.
 
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