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Hello everyone

I wish to replace my bequiet dark rock pro 4 on my 8600k but a would like o/c aboe 4.7Ghz i think 4.9/5.0 ghz if possible i've got Asus z370 strix F gaming .

I would like to have opinions and recommendation on watercooling, i'am looking for a pretty efficient water cooling is quite silent.


I saw more than one model:

1) thermaltake water 3.0 360 argb

2) deepcool castle ex 360 v2

3) coolermaster ml360r

secondly i've got 2*200mm fan on my case h500p

would it be better to replace them with 3 * 140 mm or stay on 2 * 200 mm ?


cordially John
 
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My recommendation is the Alpahcool Eisbaer 360. That is an expandable loop that you could use with your GPU (if you ever get a water block). In terms of fans you are good with the 2 200MM fans (they produce more air at lower RPMs than the 140s). If you are getting the Eisbaer buy it directly from Alphacool unless you live in the US where Aquatuning is the dealer for Alphacool products. The highlights of the Eisbaaer are:

1. Completely copper radiator and block
2. A fill hole on the block itself
3. A level indicator for your fluid.
4. Be Quiet fans
5. The block is big enough to cover 95% of the TR4 die.
6. It is probably cheaper than any of the ones you referenced

If ARGB is something you are looking for adding these is pretty painless

 
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1. I'd be surprised if your OC is temperature limited, more likely voltage will determine when you have to stop.

2. Unless the OC is intended to get your name on a "Best OCs" list at a web site, I would test only with application based stress tests which a) produce far lower taemps and b0 are multitasking type so they catch instabilities that synthetics don't.

3. IF I am not mistaken, all of those you referenced are CLCs with built in science projects on galvanic corrosion due to mixed metals (aluminum rads / copper blocks). You can not add corrosion inhibitors when they reach the end of their useful liffe. Weak pumps and extreme rpm fans.

4. The other type of AIO is a OLC ... which generally have:

-Pump Capacity > 1.0 gpm
-Ability to expand... add extra rads, GFPU blocks, MoBo blocks whatever
- All cooper, no mixed metals

5. The EK and Swiftech models are basically a set of water cooling custom loop components, pre-assembled at the factory. I personally prefer the $165 Swiftech H360 X3 ... the $275 EK MLC Phoenix is the best cooling wise but breaks 50 dbA... The Eisbaer 240 is about as loud as the 360 from Swiftech and and has a rather low flow rate at 0.30 gpm compared to the others. The fill port is not ideally located ... should be at the highest point in the system and be able to serve as a air bleed port and I prefer to have the pump (and the heat it produces) isolated from the CPU block


The advantage / disadvantage of the Swiftech is that the other two include quik-disconnects for adding a GPU block. It makes it easier to install a GPU Block, but is more expensive to get the GPU block w/ disconnects and they bulky so do kinda take away from the aesthetics
 
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Hello everyone

I wish to replace my bequiet dark rock pro 4 on my 8600k but a would like o/c aboe 4.7Ghz i think 4.9/5.0 ghz if possible i've got Asus z370 strix F gaming .

I would like to have opinions and recommendation on watercooling, i'am looking for a pretty efficient water cooling is quite silent.


I saw more than one model:

1) thermaltake water 3.0 360 argb

2) deepcool castle ex 360 v2

3) coolermaster ml360r

secondly i've got 2*200mm fan on my case h500p

would it be better to replace them with 3 * 140 mm or stay on 2 * 200 mm ?


cordially John
Half the problem is the stock thermal paste under the IHS plate.
Replacing that will give you a significant drop in temps..... even on your same air cooler.
After that, maybe look into better cooling.
For reference, my 8700K had nearly a 20c drop in temps after replacing the thermal paste under the IHS plate.
 
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Deliding is a risky method, you could end up with a dead cpu if not careful, so better think twice before deliding the cpu
 
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I have not hit a thermal wall when OC'ing since the 3700k .... with water cooling, I'm always in the mid to upper 70s when I hit 1.5 volts and I'm not willing to go any higher than that. And if not well up into the 80s, I don't really see the point of delidding.
 
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I have not hit a thermal wall when OC'ing since the 3700k .... with water cooling, I'm always in the mid to upper 70s when I hit 1.5 volts and I'm not willing to go any higher than that. And if not well up into the 80s, I don't really see the point of delidding.
1.5v a little high on ambient.
Hmm I thinks. 70c range on ambient at ?mhz and ?cpu.

Can we see that screen shot there?
 
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I would delid first. The cost of a real loop is more than a used processor. If you don't f'up the delid, you save yourself a bunch of money.
 

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1.5v a little high on ambient.
Hmm I thinks. 70c range on ambient at ?mhz and ?cpu.

Can we see that screen shot there?
i'm using hw info for take all information it's ok for you ?

f I optimize the flow of air there is possibility that it helps amon Dark rock pro 4

for exemple add 2* 200mm on my h500p on top ?

if add 2*200m i'm using in extraction or air in take
 
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i'm using hw info for take all information it's ok for you ?

f I optimize the flow of air there is possibility that it helps amon Dark rock pro 4

for exemple add 2* 200mm on my h500p on top ?

if add 2*200m i'm using in extraction or air in take
You can use HWInfo is good yes.

Would be nice to judge how hot your cpu is.
De-lid recommendation is a plus. It lowers temps significantly. Google search 8600K de-lid, maybe youtube watch some videos.
They do have a tool for de-lid that makes it pretty safe and easy to do. This will be the best thing you can do to bring temps down at a low cost.
 
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You should be able to do 1.35v without a delid on an 8600k without much fuss unless the TIM is a real dud... The power density for the non-HT parts is lower. 1.42v@85c should be treated as the limit for desktop 14nm parts, most CFL chips should do between 4.9 and 5.2GHz daily stable with that voltage.

AIO water coolers will not perform significantly better than high end air coolers, IMO they are not worth the money.

Expandable/custom water cooling performs a lot better but the cost is disproportionate to the clock improvements you will get, it's the better option especially if money isn't an issue though.
 
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Coffee Lake runs hot.
Here some examples at Guru3D of people's experiences. Many claiming 15c drop in temps, I had the same results and recommend it for those wanting a better temp for a higher overclock.


Not kidding when I say significant temp drop. I can post links to just about every OC site here with similar comments.
 
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if i understant you recommanded to use delid on my 8600k ?
but waranty intel not work after
Shrimp is right, if you're going to invest big into watercooling this (rather light weight) CPU, you will hit a temperature wall unless you delid it first. Which is another way of saying, no delid = wasted money on WC.

If you're happy with a mild-normal OC up to 1.3V~1.35V (1.35 is pushing it!), you can do it on air with no delid, and it won't be noisy either, but the CPU will run at 80C ~ 90C. I'd personally say 85C should be your cap for 24/7 use, that way you'll also survive a hot summer day. Most 8600Ks will hit 5Ghz with that, a weak one might reach 4.7-4.9. If you're OK with that, go air I'd say and save the hassle and risk.

If you want to chase >5Ghz and bench scores, then WC, delid and :rockout:

Just to be clear about silence. Water cooling adds a pump and pressure fans that may need a higher RPM than an air cooled setup with low RPM 140mm case fans & CPU fan. I literally do not hear my Dark Rock Pro 3 at full load and all fans in the case spin at ~1000 RPM, up to 1300 at load. Air really has more pros to be fair with you, if you WC, do it because you really want to.
 
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i'm using software Asus for o/c
If the system is stable with your software oc, you should dial those settings into bios.
Then test for stability with fulloads using stress test software.
We want to see the load temp.
Then we can see how hot it gets the way it is now.
 
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the OCCT temp should be higher than your gaming temps, so do expect that.
Throttle temp is 95c.
 

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i5 8600k @ 4.8ghz 15 mn testing i'm changing parametrer on bios

temperature are good or Not just core 2 is high i think

edit : 1hour same temperature
 

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