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Neo Forza Faye DDR4-5000 2x 8 GB

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The Neo Forza DDR4-5000 Faye memory kit is DDR4 pushing into unknown territories. Are you up to the challenge? It has been said patience is a virtue. Let's see if that holds true. Follow along as we see what it takes to break personal records and beyond!

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For AMD, I decided not to venture higher as it just isn't beneficial outside of select benchmarks.

This is also true of Alder Lake, so why the difference in approach?
 
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Nice review, cons yes in agreement. Would running 1.6V always, would it shorten the life?


Neo Forza please change ram package to

DDR4-2666

DDR4-5000 XMP only @ 1.6V

 
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no the RKL/ADL 1:2 penalty's a lot less than Zen2/3's
Words are important. The statement was that increased memory speeds are not beneficial outside of a few specific benchmarks, and the same is true for ADL; there is still a performance regression on average when running Gear 2. There was no statement about the magnitude of the difference.
 
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i was under the impression that once you pass like, 4600 or so on 1:2 you can overcome the performance regression from gear 2?
(i'm aware that any form of 1:2 will carry some kind of performance penalty compared to 1:1 at the same speed, but iirc intel 1:2 penalty isn't like, insurmountable?)
 
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LoL @1.6V
Do I smell something burning up here ? This is getting really ridiculous - the push for higher speeds even at the degraded performance because of 1:2 ratios!
Wonder how good/bad the lifespan of such memory modules will be.... especially when the "cooler" looks quite standard to me...
 
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Is there a typo in the Intel test results, cause' I'm seeing 2x16GB instead of 2x8GB as the title of the thread suggests?

i was under the impression that once you pass like, 4600 or so on 1:2 you can overcome the performance regression from gear 2?
(i'm aware that any form of 1:2 will carry some kind of performance penalty compared to 1:1 at the same speed, but iirc intel 1:2 penalty isn't like, insurmountable?)
But of course push the 1:2 speeds as stably as possible & the Hynix DJR is the go here with value for money. However 2x8Gb is getting a bit long in the tooth nowadays. Samsung B die modules for 2x16GB in the mid 4000s speed bracket cost about as much as a new i7.
 

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Nice review, but 1.6v ouch. Just shows 3600 is the sweet spot for DDR4, bit pointless running any higher really.
 
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Nice review, but 1.6v ouch. Just shows 3600 is the sweet spot for DDR4, bit pointless running any higher really.
The problem nowadays is new bios releases on Z590 and high end RAM kits have not been tested in games. All the reviews at least on YT are from about 10 months ago. Then there is the issue of certain game engines benefitting more than others.
 

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LoL @1.6V
Do I smell something burning up here ? This is getting really ridiculous - the push for higher speeds even at the degraded performance because of 1:2 ratios!
Wonder how good/bad the lifespan of such memory modules will be.... especially when the "cooler" looks quite standard to me...
Who need RGB? They’ll probably just start to glow on their own…can’t even imagine that voltage for any kinda 24/7 setting before something pops..
 
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I think the summary should have stated that sa/io voltages not safe for daily use are needed, simply saying the 1.6v dimm voltage alone is safe is misleading.
 
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I think the summary should have stated that sa/io voltages not safe for daily use are needed, simply saying the 1.6v dimm voltage alone is safe is misleading.
Its in the review a twice...er three times? benchmarks and overclocking section. Under test setup I wrote "in practice, it required an absurd amount of supporting voltages to the system agent and memory controller. "

I'll keep it in mind to say something in summary next time.
 
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Its in the review a twice...er three times? benchmarks and overclocking section. Under test setup I wrote "in practice, it required an absurd amount of supporting voltages to the system agent and memory controller. "

I did say "the summary" of which many people skip to, why put it in the review and skip it out the summary, why even have a summary?

I felt the review as a whole was very informative, its just the one bit that stood out to me.
 
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Up to 1.52v SA is within Intel spec. Also this range 11th gen core series is like 14nm+++++, in other words highly highly refined fabrication more tolerant to high voltages. See section 8 of that link.
 
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I did say "the summary" of which many people skip to, why put it in the review and skip it out the summary, why even have a summary?

I felt the review as a whole was very informative, its just the one bit that stood out to me.
Understandable :)
 

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I wish your results weren't so RNG across multiple reviews.. Tweaking sub timings without explicitly mentioning it.. some of these results just make no sense having used most dies on a 5800x.

Feels like theres no baseline and re-using results across multiple versions of AIDA should also be a no no. Last reviewer had the same problem that skewed certain kits into looking better/worse than they are.. IE: V6.20 >V6.30 being massively different in bandwidth results... yet posting new kits with older results of previous kits..

Side note: I know AMD boards/BIOS/AGESA don't set TRC, but doesn't setting it manually defeat the purpose of XMP? I feel like using XMP (on AMD) should be 100% out of box settings with no manual adjustments .. Gives a false impression otherwise for users that just want 1 click performance. 2c.

Maybe an "optimal setting" result tab (what your doing now) + out of box? :)
 
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I wish your results weren't so RNG across multiple reviews.. Tweaking sub timings without explicitly mentioning it.. some of these results just make no sense having used most dies on a 5800x.
@jaszy Hmm I'm not completely following you here. The only sub timings I'm adjusting is to match the XMP SPD.

Feels like theres no baseline and re-using results across multiple versions of AIDA should also be a no no. Last reviewer had the same problem that skewed certain kits into looking better/worse than they are.. IE: V6.20 >V6.30 being massively different in bandwidth results... yet posting new kits with older results of previous kits..
Not sure what "baseline" you are looking for. I generally do not update AIDA64 since the test system isn't connected to the internet. Re-using previous data is fine, Especially if its the same version AND the same CPU locked to a certain frequency as I do. Like do you want me to re-test every kit for every review? that seems a bit silly. I haven't personally noticed a difference in the past between versions. I understand your concern though.

AIDA64 is a bit out of context in itself. All it does is show the highest peak bandwidth. Which can change depending on what's running in the background. I do not think it directly correlates to real-world usage. But it does show you when a memory kit is "technically" superior for reads, writes, copy and latency.

Side note: I know AMD boards/BIOS/AGESA don't set TRC, but doesn't setting it manually defeat the purpose of XMP? I feel like using XMP (on AMD) should be 100% out of box settings with no manual adjustments .. Gives a false impression otherwise for users that just want 1 click performance. 2c.

Maybe an "optimal setting" result tab (what your doing now) + out of box? :)
Manually setting the TRC has its drawbacks in a review setting. However it is different per MB. Some actually do use all the SPD data. Others change it for ever boot. Therefore setting it is the only way to insure arcuate results for every boot, different MBs and future re-test. In this memory review, I actually had to set the tRC to 84 since the SPD of 72 would not post for the AMD system. Is it just this memory kit? Nah, I had this happen plenty of times before. Once again it just depends on the MB.

I also set all the other SPD data like tFAW, RRDS, RRDL and tRFC. Once again all the XMP SPD data available to insure actuate results. This is why two kits running the same primary timings can have widely different scores. CAS isn't the only important value. Part of it is based on the type of ICs, (Hynix, Samsung, Micron). In other ways, "poorly" binned kits can be passed off a great to the consumer because all they look at is the primary and nothing else.

I'll tell you a secret. Most memory benchmarks are redundant and out of context. AKA unless you have a 5800X + GTX 2080, you will get different results. It is the inherent problem with memory reviews. It is impossible to test all configurations and scenarios. Even core clock affects the results. I would do away with most benchmarks if I could get away with it. But generally most people just look at the charts and nothing else....

In my mind, memory reviews in general are more about the product itself and a general guideline of what is appropriate for different systems. Like how Ryzen benefits from 1:1 FCLK. Or the likelihood of actually running the XMP profile. I tossed out all the stuff from the last guy and started over because I had no idea what his settings was or if he did anything but just enable XMP. Like I said every MB is different in how it applies sub-timings. Sometimes the only reason it fails to boot at higher frequencies on cheaper MBs is because the training simply does not work. Type in the SPD data and off you go.
 
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Last week I got Patriot Viper Elite II DDR4 16GB(2 x 8GB) 4000MHz Kit from Amazon and tested it on Asus Z690M Prime D4 + i5 12500.
it uses the same IC's according to Typhoon utility, was game stable @ 4800Mhz/1.45V but after I tried 5000Mhz - it booted to windows but it felt Unstable, after restart to raise the Voltage I found that my NVME Boot drive was Nuked, (Bad Config Info BSOD) :-(.
First time this happened to me since I started playing with Ram OC back in 2006 :-(.
 
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