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I know not long ago I made a post about looking for a router which I ended up finding which wasn't for myself. Now i'm trying to figure out the best way to setup a home based network in a house. the house has 3 bedrooms which I plan to run wired connections to. what would be the best switch and router to run as a system.
For the devices being used

Wired:
Xbox One
Xbox One
Xbox 360
PS4 Pro
Desktop
Desktop
Apple TV

Wireless:
IPhone
IPhone
2X FireTablets
2X Laptops
WiFi Thermostat
WiFi Doorbell
10x WiFi Light switchs
multiple WiFi Sockets

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Ubiquiti ERL with APs as needed.Add in any multi port gigabit switch to fit your needs. With that setup you will crush consumer routers unless you go very high end.
 

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Ubiquiti ERL with APs as needed.Add in any multi port gigabit switch to fit your needs. With that setup you will crush consumer routers unless you go very high end.
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If recommend taking a serious look at Ubiquity for routing and WiFi. The Edgerouter Lite3 would work well here. Then look at the UniFi AP series for WiFi.

For a.switch, they do make good ones but likely more capabilities than you need...which from the sounds of it at least a 12 port, and a 16 would be the true minimum I'd recommend.

There's lots of options here. TPLink, D-Link and Netgear make decent budget gigabit layer-2 switches.

I'd also recommend a patch panel so you can label each run at the network.closet location. Then use short CAT 5/6 cables to connect to the switch. That'll include having and learning how to use a punch down tool...but you already will have both if you're doing plated runs in your home. It'll keep things cleaned, organized, easy to maintain and diagnose.

Do you have a dedicated network rack, desk or area for this equipment?

I'm also partial to PFSense, so you could take an old PC or a mini build and use that for a router and still use UBNT APs.

Though if you need more wireless.coverage and want a sort of AIO package, you might take a read at this article. Google's WiFi system actually looks decent and seems to Edge Ubiquity here...this is home grade tho. The ERL and UniFi AP WiFi are SoHo and business-grade.

Another option is to pick up 2-3 Asus AC68Us from the hot deal thread and do.the Asus reID and firmware for $59/each new from TMobil. I would recommend Merlin...set one as a router and 2 for an AP. I also still think a budget home or low end business grade gigabit switch will be sufficient here. But you could spend extra and get better backend throughput and management if you feel the need.
 

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If recommend taking a serious look at Ubiquity for routing and WiFi. The Edgerouter Lite3 would work well here. Then look at the UniFi AP series for WiFi.

For a.switch, they do make good ones but likely more capabilities than you need...which from the sounds of it at least a 12 port, and a 16 would be the true minimum I'd recommend.

There's lots of options here. TPLink, D-Link and Netgear make decent budget gigabit layer-2 switches.

I'd also recommend a patch panel so you can label each run at the network.closet location. Then use short CAT 5/6 cables to connect to the switch. That'll include having and learning how to use a punch down tool...but you already will have both if you're doing plated runs in your home. It'll keep things cleaned, organized, easy to maintain and diagnose.

Do you have a dedicated network rack, desk or area for this equipment?

I'm also partial to PFSense, so you could take an old PC or a mini build and use that for a router and still use UBNT APs.

Though if you need more wireless.coverage and want a sort of AIO package, you might take a read at this article. Google's WiFi system actually looks decent and seems to Edge Ubiquity here...this is home grade tho. The ERL and UniFi AP WiFi are SoHo and business-grade.

Another option is to pick up 2-3 Asus AC68Us from the hot deal thread and do.the Asus reID and firmware for $59/each new from TMobil. I would recommend Merlin...set one as a router and 2 for an AP. I also still think a budget home or low end business grade gigabit switch will be sufficient here. But you could spend extra and get better backend throughput and management if you feel the need.
Got some bulk Cat6 cabling I was going to run throughout

No rack but it a closet of its own
 

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Ubiquiti, Add the unify APs as needed like Athlon said. Depends on square footage. but even my pro which is not an LR model can cross my street. 16 port switch. In my shops I personally run the 24s for service stations and they work fantastic. 48's in my core.

I would probably go with.

Unifi USG
Unifi APs
and the Unifi switch family. keeps everything easily configurable from the app if you are looking for a quick deployment with minimal headache.

The router I am partial to opnsense a PFsense fork, but the sophos UTM is nice. If your looking to build your own.

Personally Ubiquiti is just hard not to recommend for prosumer space. They fit a great price point and have enterprise features for soho cost.
 

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Ubiquiti, Add the unify APs as needed like Athlon said. Depends on square footage. but even my pro which is not an LR model can cross my street. 16 port switch. In my shops I personally run the 24s for service stations and they work fantastic. 48's in my core.

I would probably go with.

Unifi USG
Unifi APs
and the Unifi switch family. keeps everything easily configurable from the app if you are looking for a quick deployment with minimal headache.

The router I am partial to opnsense a PFsense fork, but the sophos UTM is nice. If your looking to build your own.

Personally Ubiquiti is just hard not to recommend for prosumer space. They fit a great price point and have enterprise features for soho cost.
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I should mention with the Asus routers in AP mode they also.work as a 4 port gigabit switch. Depending on locations that could make hooking up 8 devices an option.

In most cases that probably isn't going to work unless the devices are fairly close and you have a way to route the wires or can deal with exposed wires.

Here's an affordable semi-managed switch I'd recommend, it's a Netgear with a Lifetime warranty. They're excellent units and on sale for $99, and can even do some QoS, VLANs, SNMP, etc.

The Ubiquity Switches run more, but for good reason as they are good switches and are a solid value. Though unless you need more advanced networking configurations or are doing a lot of larger data transfers that require stronger bandwidth control, I think it's really more than you need. If you feel you'll modify the network or go beyond the basic VLanning and QoS that the Netgear above can do, then by all means this is a great next step before the $500+ Cisco's, HP/Aruba's, etc.

The Edgerouter Lite3 is around $90, and is worth it. I have one as a spare. The 1.90 firmware is solid and if you're willing to do a little command line and follow some of the many good guides, this is an easy router to setup and is very effective.

I linked the Asus RT68U above for $59, it's a $150 home-grade router that claims to cover 3,000sq feet, and after conversion is a more friendly and easy-to-work AsusWRT UI and with Merlin is pretty effective and fairly decent for home-use. Though there's also a $50 UBNT EdgeRouterX, that many users like and is a solid device if you are going to have a simple network on a budget. Great little performer and in some cases can be a little faster the the Lite, just not as resilient overall and will struggle more if you have more high bandwidth transfers and features enabled.

If your'e going AP's, that's a tough go. A couple RT68U's will do pretty well and give you AC bandwidth for an amazing price... the Ubiquity AC Lite for $75 is the next best, and probably has the same range. Both should easily handle your wireless load. The AC68U has an 800MHz overclockable dual core, and MerlinWRT is modded AsusWRT and both are very stable. Ubiquity is pretty stable too, and there's more setup options if you want to run multiple SSID's. While you can do this on both, Ubiquity does it better IMHO.

The better option, the AC Pro is a beast for $130, I've deployed so many of these. Really I go for Ubiquity at budget locations and Ruckus for enterprise-grade. That's a $500+ AP though. Should speak about how well we like and trust Ubiquity wireless products, the AP's have been pretty solid overall and Ubiquity's been really good about keeping stable firmware releases coming.

A couple of any of the above should really do you just fine, the Asus routers should even perform pretty well in that environment. If you did 3 using one as a wireless router and two as AP's, you could probably do just fine coverage-wise for the cost about $40 more than one AC Pro AP. BUT, in the same breath as @Solaris17 correctly put it, Ubiquity is prosumer. They are overall better products, meant for set-it-and-forget-it and more advanced network management capabilities. They will handle more and be more reliable in the long run. Again, depends on budgets and needs. It also depends on skills because you don't want to necessarily use the TMobil firmware on the Asus routers, but rather do the conversion process which requires using SSL or Telnet for some CLI action...though its not hard, and with patience will be just fine. Plus I could help walk you through it if needed along with other users here that purchased those same devices.

I agree with SophosUTM as well, pretty solid along with PFSense for being options if you build a small PC or re-use an old PC and add a second NIC or a dual-port Intel NIC (I find em on Ebay for $30 shipped for Intel Pro PCIe). I actually retired my ERL for PFSense, while I enjoyed the ERL and it's CLI, PFSense made more sense (lol)...and has a lot more capabilities in the GUI, a lot of options and when you mix in things like Hardware accelerated OpenVPN servers, Squid Proxy/Cache, Snort IDS/IPS, bandwidth monitoring, advanced QoS, better multi-wan support and failover, and faster and more frequent upgrades (could be considered good or bad), I feel PFSense is a better platform for using more advanced features. I also prefer its firewall capabilities and rulesets...its like a happy medium between EdgeOS on the ERL and SonicWall SonicOS. IMHO.

I built a PFSense box for around $250 with shipping spring 2016. I used an Asus N3150-C with a quad core Celeron SoC passively cooled as the core, a dual port Intel Pro gigabit NIC (as PFSense didn't recognize the Realtek onboard NIC, I expected this going into it), 8GB RAM, 120GB SSD, mITX case with SFX PSU. Has been one amazing build that I'm running all the features I stated above that PFSense can do. Mostly for lab, testing, and experience. It has been an amazing build though and its one helluva router. I do keep the ERL around and fire it up to update it and update the config so I can drop it in should my PFSense box ever give up the ghost. There have been folks that have build solid PFSense builds for closer to $150. Homebuilt routers are capable of better performance when built and configured correctly.

There's a lot of ways this could go, it depends on what you want, what your experience level is, how much you want to pay, how much you want to learn to make it all work, your concept of networking, etc. Hopefully this post is useful in realizing those to make your decisions so you spend your money wisely.

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If recommend taking a serious look at Ubiquity for routing and WiFi. The Edgerouter Lite3 would work well here. Then look at the UniFi AP series for WiFi.

For a.switch, they do make good ones but likely more capabilities than you need...which from the sounds of it at least a 12 port, and a 16 would be the true minimum I'd recommend.

There's lots of options here. TPLink, D-Link and Netgear make decent budget gigabit layer-2 switches.

I'd also recommend a patch panel so you can label each run at the network.closet location. Then use short CAT 5/6 cables to connect to the switch. That'll include having and learning how to use a punch down tool...but you already will have both if you're doing plated runs in your home. It'll keep things cleaned, organized, easy to maintain and diagnose.

Do you have a dedicated network rack, desk or area for this equipment?

I'm also partial to PFSense, so you could take an old PC or a mini build and use that for a router and still use UBNT APs.

Though if you need more wireless.coverage and want a sort of AIO package, you might take a read at this article. Google's WiFi system actually looks decent and seems to Edge Ubiquity here...this is home grade tho. The ERL and UniFi AP WiFi are SoHo and business-grade.

Another option is to pick up 2-3 Asus AC68Us from the hot deal thread and do.the Asus reID and firmware for $59/each new from TMobil. I would recommend Merlin...set one as a router and 2 for an AP. I also still think a budget home or low end business grade gigabit switch will be sufficient here. But you could spend extra and get better backend throughput and management if you feel the need.


66 blocks and split50 blocks suck, use scotchlocks.
 

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66 blocks and split50 blocks suck, use scotchlocks.

Nah I'd prefer something like this with a wall mount bracket all day long. It's not that hard to punch down a few lines...and less shitty to do than 66 blocks to boot, which really aren't that bad or a pain in the ass IMHO.
 

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I setup a ubiquity LR and their security gateway last week in a client's house it's untouchable.
 
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Ubiquiti ERL with APs as needed.Add in any multi port gigabit switch to fit your needs. With that setup you will crush consumer routers unless you go very high end.

Very this and not to mention the toughswitches you will need unless the OP plans on injectors and extra UPS capacity...
 

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True, but seeing that the AP's come with injectors, set them on top of the switch, feed a short lead from switch to injector and then out to the run from the patch panel or direct connection. Really no need for a $300 switch for a home user with 2 AP's...IMHO that's overkill unless you're a network admin or aspiring to be. Nothing against the switches though, they're solid.
 

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True, but seeing that the AP's come with injectors, set them on top of the switch, feed a short lead from switch to injector and then out to the run from the patch panel or direct connection. Really no need for a $300 switch for a home user with 2 AP's...IMHO that's overkill unless you're a network admin or aspiring to be. Nothing against the switches though, they're solid.
Elaborate more on the use with no switches
 

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Elaborate more on the use with no switches

Please see my previous post for the switch options I suggested.

Remix & Athlon are suggesting a very good switch that can handle POE which would allow them to power the UniFi access points. I'm suggesting using the included POE injectors with the Netgear switch for 1/3 of the price that will handle more than 99% more than most all home users would ever need. The 1% that would use that switch or are aspiring network admins that could make a lab.

I'm kind of curious what you're edging towards this far into the thread, maybe you could clarify more of your needs, budget, experience, what you've researched, any new goals to add to the OP, etc.

I'm not suggesting to NOT use a switch, but rather not needing that class of switch. But if you choose to do it, you'll have some very awesome kit to play with. :D
 
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Injectors cut into UPS runtime tho :( If you got wonky power like I do that blinks for no reason even on a sunny clear day than that's a must....
 

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I sorry to hear that, I haven't had that issue with the UPSes I deploy or use, what UPS are you running if you don't mind me asking?

Definitely something to consider though, and yeah injectors might cut into UPS run time if @Durvelle27 has their network appliances on a UPS in the first place. Something to consider and very worth it IMHO. I run a Cyberpower for my server and network, gives me plenty of time to cleanly shut down the server and wait a while for the power to come back on.

I guess I haven't compared the power consumption of POE injectors vs. the POE switch, but I'm interested if it extends run time.
 
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well it's the AC power that does it... That's why I got UPS units... (APC Backups NS1080 for my PC and the router and modem and BackUps-550 for the switch and AP injectors) The Hubs as an APC RS900 and the HTPC has a cyberpower 550VA one that also powers the downstairs switch)
 

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I sorry to hear that, I haven't had that issue with the UPSes I deploy or use, what UPS are you running if you don't mind me asking?

Definitely something to consider though, and yeah injectors might cut into UPS run time if @Durvelle27 has their network appliances on a UPS in the first place. Something to consider and very worth it IMHO. I run a Cyberpower for my server and network, gives me plenty of time to cleanly shut down the server and wait a while for the power to come back on.

I guess I haven't compared the power consumption of POE injectors vs. the POE switch, but I'm interested if it extends run time.
What's are injectors and POE

Unless your talking about Fuel Injectors lol

I'm new to the whole hardcore networking bizz and this will be the first time deploying something like this
 

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What's are injectors and POE

Unless your talking about Fuel Injectors lol

I'm new to the whole hardcore networking bizz and this will be the first time deploying something like this

POE = Power Over Ethernet

So the Ubiquity Access Points (and many others), accept POE, meaning they'll get data and power from a single Ethernet cable. Negating the need for a WALLWART power adapter.

There are network switches that have built-in POE, and usually cost quite a bit more but can be real convenient in situations where you have VoIP phones, wireless AP's, environmental monitors, paging amps, etc. that can take advantage of POE.

UniFi AP's come with a POE injector, and it does what its name says... it injects power into the Ethernet cable to the AP.

So what you have is a power adapter, it gets power from the wall. It gets a network cable from your router/switch that provides the data signal, and then has another cable that goes to the AP that has data and power.

The ERL isn't the best router for inexperienced users, but with all the guides and included wizards isn't hard either. But if you want the simplest experience, the Asus AC68U might be a simpler option...I'd still strongly recommend the Asus CFE and firmware conversion on the T-Mobil units for better updates and security. In that, there's added complexity but its worth it.

What's your budget?
 
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Okay going to play devils advocate here. I am no network expert. However I do know how to set up a network, modem and router. Why not just get a nice router and be done? I see the recommendations for a Ubiquiti ERL and I get what it is but my router serves me fine and my seed are incredible, really. I dont see how a Ubiquiti ERL can crush this network. I get very fast wireless and internet and wired is just insane speed. 1200 S Ft two stor. But literly my wireless reaches 3 houses down the street

An honest question btw my router is a TP Link AC5400. It is a little pricey but I had a Linksys WRT AC1200 before and same results
 
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