New build. A little advice.

[kapone32]

The thing about Threadripper and AMD in general is that sure, you've got tons of cores, but they are about 30% slower (1950x core compared to 8700k, both OC). So even for video editing, which surprisingly can actually be faster on an Intel k chip, due to the integrated gpu providing hardware acceleration, the Threadripper chips don't perform as expected. Most software, especially adobe software, loves single thread performance, and can take advantage of multithreaded performance in specific use cases. Take a look at render times comparisons

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Based on your assessment of the new update that allows Adobe premiere to use an IGPU. Do you think that the R5 2400G would be a good CPU to use with Adobe; it has the same cores/threads. Even though the 8700K has higher IPC, the GPU is after all much faster than the Intel 630. Has anyone produced a video using the R5 2400G with video editing with Adobe's update?

 

[dgianstefani]

ne6togadno
Asrock has the best VRM's on £140 tier mobos with the Extreme4

 

[coozie78]

As some have suggested, you need to check your software documentation, some suites can use multiple cores effectively, some can use multiple cores effectively during certain actions while some are heavily dependant on single core performance at all times.

Remember, TR4 is an expensive platform., Older 19XX parts are getting rare now, but can represent the best value so if you want to go the TR route ( and need to ) I'd hunt up a 1920X,
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD - Threadripper 1920X 3.5GHz 12-Core Processor (£398.40 @ Alza)
Total: £398.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-11 19:49 BST+0100
Just be quick!

Otherwise, the 8 core 2700/2700X are best suited to multiple core uses within a reasonable budget, pair one of these with a half decent B450MB and 16Gb of DDR4 3000 RAM ( faster if you can afford it ) and you have a excellent video editing/rendering system, provided your software can use all 8C16T often enough to make the purchase worthwhile.

 

[John Naylor]

I've never owned an AS Rock mobo before. A friend has one for his AMD flying simulator setup and swears by them. I've only ever owned Asus mainly + a Gigabye mobo a few years back.

We were an Asus only shop for over a decade; the many thing to remeber is ... like football, who is the dominant team chnages... sometimes quickly. For example, we had done a few rebuilds for folks w/ cracked or damaged MoBos and there was some commonality:

-All 3 Coolers were Hyper 212. Can't blame CM per se, it was user error from over tightening the hold down screws, but spend a few more bucks and the cooler mounting mechanism has 'stops' that render this almost impossible.

-All 3 boards were AsRock. To be fair, have to provide some background. Asus was losing a lot of market share because they catered to enthusiasts and not system builders (read low budget). If they sold cheap boards to this market niche, they had a concern that their image would be tarnished and they created ASRock. A few years later they spun off ASR as a separate company and it suffered some early image hits due to a) depending on board, warrantees were 1 or 2 years, boards were noticably thinner than the competition's, they had many boards with the bulged / melting caps thing, (so did others to a much lesser extent) and they really approached the top in the charts in performance comparisons. Then things started changing.

Even after the spinoff, AsRock's parent company, built Asus laptops and ran Asus's RMA and tech support processes (P68) years. Since then they have made significant strides in both quality and performance. Hard to find issue with the price performance ratio these days, by documentation and BIOS is at the bottom. Asus tends to cheap out 1st in the mid range boards ... to get ALC 1220 for exmaple, you'll usually pay more for Asus than anyone else and there is the RoG Tax which adds $20 - $50 to comparable boards. MSI made great strides starting wirh Z87 substantially outperforming the competition thru Z170 tho their BIOS was not as intuitive as Asus. Starting with Z270, performance among all major vendors seems to have evened out. Gigabyte remains a stalwart not really doing anything exciting but making a very reliable product. The TUF series is oft used on workstation builds. And in the mid range desktop, mostly MSI and Gigabyte.

At the budget gaming level, we have been using the MSI SLI Plus as the starting point on Intel Builds and the Gigabyte X470 Aorus Ultra Gaming on the AMD side.

 

[ne6togadno]

ne6togadno
Asrock has the best VRM's on £140 tier mobos with the Extreme4

cant see what vrms on intel mb have to do with amd cpu.

if you want to tag someone you should use @ before the nickname.

 

[sepheronx]

I hear ya fella I to used to be my own worst salesman go out to build a system come back spending a lot more than I planed once all setup I thought fantastic this awesome then followed by but I don't even need a PC this good lol I would do that probs twice a year at least after 24 years the penny dropped

you should find plenty of good advice here.

are you me?

 

[dgianstefani]

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X470 Taichi Ultimate/index.asp

This isn't a thread only about amd in case you were wondering. However Asrock makes AMD versions of their best mobos.

 

[OutThereSomewhere]

It's more like £600 over here...

I'll see what I can do, he's rather busy and never really replies unless he wants to talk about something he wants lol

No worries, got my eyes on a system build as I type. Was thinking Threadripper but might hold out for AMD's next offering.

Wrong on vrms, that's between Asus and AsRock. MSI and Gigabyte have been cutting corners since 2013 at this rate.

Thanks for setting me straight

As some have suggested, you need to check your software documentation, some suites can use multiple cores effectively, some can use multiple cores effectively during certain actions while some are heavily dependant on single core performance at all times.

Remember, TR4 is an expensive platform., Older 19XX parts are getting rare now, but can represent the best value so if you want to go the TR route ( and need to ) I'd hunt up a 1920X,
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD - Threadripper 1920X 3.5GHz 12-Core Processor (£398.40 @ Alza)
Total: £398.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-11 19:49 BST+0100
Just be quick!

Otherwise, the 8 core 2700/2700X are best suited to multiple core uses within a reasonable budget, pair one of these with a half decent B450MB and 16Gb of DDR4 3000 RAM ( faster if you can afford it ) and you have a excellent video editing/rendering system, provided your software can use all 8C16T often enough to make the purchase worthwhile.

Thanks, a Threadripper is what I'm really after. Will need at least 32GB of RAM for After Effects alone because 12GB is the bare minimum recommended.
At least I'll be able to watch Kittens on Youtube with 32GB of RAM while rendering a video

We were an Asus only shop for over a decade; the many thing to remeber is ... like football, who is the dominant team chnages... sometimes quickly. For example, we had done a few rebuilds for folks w/ cracked or damaged MoBos and there was some commonality:

-All 3 Coolers were Hyper 212. Can't blame CM per se, it was user error from over tightening the hold down screws, but spend a few more bucks and the cooler mounting mechanism has 'stops' that render this almost impossible.

-All 3 boards were AsRock. To be fair, have to provide some background. Asus was losing a lot of market share because they catered to enthusiasts and not system builders (read low budget). If they sold cheap boards to this market niche, they had a concern that their image would be tarnished and they created ASRock. A few years later they spun off ASR as a separate company and it suffered some early image hits due to a) depending on board, warrantees were 1 or 2 years, boards were noticably thinner than the competition's, they had many boards with the bulged / melting caps thing, (so did others to a much lesser extent) and they really approached the top in the charts in performance comparisons. Then things started changing.

Even after the spinoff, AsRock's parent company, built Asus laptops and ran Asus's RMA and tech support processes (P68) years. Since then they have made significant strides in both quality and performance. Hard to find issue with the price performance ratio these days, by documentation and BIOS is at the bottom. Asus tends to cheap out 1st in the mid range boards ... to get ALC 1220 for exmaple, you'll usually pay more for Asus than anyone else and there is the RoG Tax which adds $20 - $50 to comparable boards. MSI made great strides starting wirh Z87 substantially outperforming the competition thru Z170 tho their BIOS was not as intuitive as Asus. Starting with Z270, performance among all major vendors seems to have evened out. Gigabyte remains a stalwart not really doing anything exciting but making a very reliable product. The TUF series is oft used on workstation builds. And in the mid range desktop, mostly MSI and Gigabyte.

At the budget gaming level, we have been using the MSI SLI Plus as the starting point on Intel Builds and the Gigabyte X470 Aorus Ultra Gaming on the AMD side.

Thanks for the insight john, very helpful indeed.

 

[eidairaman1]

No worries, got my eyes on a system build as I type. Was thinking Threadripper but might hold out for AMD's next offering.



Thanks for setting me straight



Thanks, a Threadripper is what I'm really after. Will need at least 32GB of RAM for After Effects alone because 12GB is the bare minimum recommended.
At least I'll be able to watch Kittens on Youtube with 32GB of RAM while rendering a video



Thanks for the insight john, very helpful indeed.

If you want a TR Rig I guess you could jump for a 2900-2950X.

 

[phill]

No worries, got my eyes on a system build as I type. Was thinking Threadripper but might hold out for AMD's next offering.

Anything you'd like to share or do we all have to wait in suspense

 

[OutThereSomewhere]

If you want a TR Rig I guess you could jump for a 2900-2950X.

I'm torn between 1st and 2nd gen TR chips. Of course prices are lower for first gen, then I see some reviews slating the 2nd gen chips. (Toms)
It's hard to decide at times unless an actual owner can give the thumbs up, or down.

Anything you'd like to share or do we all have to wait in suspense

It'll definitely be a Ryzen - Threadripper build but I'm weighing up the cost + performance of the 2nd gen chips vs 1st gen at present. Might have to empty the cookie jar of cash if I want to future proof a machine. Then again the hardware gets refreshed in such a short time and something more juicy hits the shelves making you kick yourself for not waiting a little longer :/

 

[ne6togadno]

2XXX isnt yet. 2nd gen. it is 1st+. it has better memory support and better XFR compared to the 1XXX.
you may visit our https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/ryzen-owners-zen-garden.231658/page-44#post-3921488 and ask there. iirc there are some folks who has experience with both 1XXX and 2XXX