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My GF desperately wants me to build her a brand new machine for the sole purpose of playing Final Fantasy XIV. Obviously she'll be doing other things with it, but the only performance she cares about is the one she'll get in that game. The build I have so far looks as follows:

Intel i5 760 (or i7 860 / Xeon 3440, depending on how this thread turns out
ASRock P55 Extreme
GSkill Ripjaws DDR3 1600 CL7-8-7-24
Intel SSD 80Gb G2
Asus HD5850
Cooler Master Hyper 212 plus
Corsair TX650W
Antec 300

If anyone sees anything that can be improved upon, I'm open to all forms of critique.
 
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I would switch the case with a NZXT Beta evo or something,the Antec 300 isn't really a good choice in my opinion since it has very little cable management such as cable holes.
 

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Was never a fan of the Beta case until I actually owned one :D Nice budget case, would def take it over an Antec 300 knowing what I do now.
 

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only thing i would change is instead of getting a 760 u can get a i5 750.. they r both exactly the same just dif. Clocks...

u can OC the fuck out of the 750\

Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache L...

good choise in mobo and GPU :D

-1 on the beta evo it is cheap but there r no sufficent air filters other then a bunch of huge holes -_- ur computer parts could get very very dusty... unless u intend to buy enough filters for all ur intake fans...

I'd rather get this : NZXT Crafted Series Vulcan Black Steel / Plastic G...
 
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I would switch the case with a NZXT Beta evo or something,the Antec 300 isn't really a good choice in my opinion since it has very little cable management such as cable holes.
Was never a fan of the Beta case until I actually owned one :D Nice budget case, would def take it over an Antec 300 knowing what I do now.
I'll be sure to check out the NZXT cases when I go pick one up at the shop, I'm doing the case local since shipping would be prohibitively expensiven. So I can change that one on the fly.

only thing i would change is instead of getting a 760 u can get a i5 750.. they r both exactly the same just dif. Clocks...

u can OC the fuck out of the 750\
I wouldn't mind getting a 750 over a 760, but the price difference is 6€, would be kind of silly to get the lower multi, no?
 
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What are the actual specs of the game? Might be able to get away with lesser hardware if money is an issue.
 

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well 6 uros is a new case fan ;)

in US the price dif. is 12$ that there is 2 case fans ya no? when building a a system u want to be as wise as possible... none the less u wont c any dif. in performance between the 750 or 760 lol unless u choose not to OC then the 760 is for u .

try this case out :

COOLER MASTER Storm Scout SGC-2000-KKN1-GP Black S...

great for gaming nice size looks great as well and free shipping to where ever u are.
 
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Total overkill for a momorpge
 
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Total overkill for a momorpge
Agreed,

If all your GF is going to do is play this one game, (with a side order of general Internet use) you do NOT need a SSD or i7.

If you have the money and don't really give a shit, then hell, go all out.
 

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i thought i was the only who thought this way, this build is monster for just final fantasy lol I think a i5 - 750 and 5770 would do just as good...
 
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i thought i was the only who thought this way, this build is monster for just final fantasy lol I think a i5 - 750 and 5770 would do just as good...
with a WD Cavier Black and your set, saving a good load of money as well.
 

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yep, i'm building a new computer with cheap parts but with bing bang to em... the person i am building it for a is a mobile gamer (so he needs a case with hand bars) (thats where the CM storm scout comes in :D)

he wanted a i7 with GTX480's instead i am going to get him a AMD set up with 555be unlock and OC and get him a 5770 saving him but loads...

and he only plays counter strike... and that is like so not demanding...
 
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yep, i'm building a new computer with cheap parts but with bing bang to em... the person i am building it for a is a mobile gamer (so he needs a case with hand bars) (thats where the CM storm scout comes in :D)

he wanted a i7 with GTX480's instead i am going to get him a AMD set up with 555be unlock and OC and get him a 5770 saving him but loads...

and he only plays counter strike... and that is like so not demanding...
Buttloads of heat, weight, electricity and money.

Also a i7 + a 480 would render liga a gajillion frames per sec in either CSS or CS
 

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exactly what i was saying to him... I'm currently looking up his GPU and mobo atm, but I was against a 480 hands down... extreme waste...
 
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Some of these build ideas are completely overkill and unnecessary for playing Final Fantasy FFXIV, you guys are acting like we are making a rig for Crysis 2 or something.

All you need is a cheap 785G motherboard, Athlon II X3/Athlon II X4, maybe a Phenom II X4 and a $100 GTS 1GB 250. This build shouldnt run you more than $400 and it will eat FF and most other games up for breakfast still


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And yes, I have benchmarked the Athlon II X2/X3/X4 and Phenom II series in Final Fantasy, I created a thread about it last month and yes all these processors eat FFXIV for breakfast still

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=125059
 
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What are the actual specs of the game? Might be able to get away with lesser hardware if money is an issue.
FFXIV is running on the Crystal Tools Engine, the same engine that powered FFXIII on PS3. Recommended specs are i7, 4Gb RAM and a GTX460.

i would use the benchmark tool to see if ureally need this much
I'm currently in the beta on a 4Ghz E8400, 4Gb RAM and a HD5850 @950/1200, the benchmark gives me a score of 2900 on high, while actual game barely copes with any crowd larger than 5 people.

Agreed,

If all your GF is going to do is play this one game, (with a side order of general Internet use) you do NOT need a SSD or i7.

If you have the money and don't really give a shit, then hell, go all out.
The SSD seems unnecessary indeed, but that's more for other things than just this game. The i7 I'm definitely doubting.

... you guys are acting like we are making a rig for Crysis 2 or something.
I can't overstate this well enough: the benchmark is a horrible representation of actual ingame performance. Scoring just under 3.000 points on high, any crowded place is nigh unplayable. I know the game is still beta, but I'm guessing the graphical engine is pretty much worked out at this time. Could she play like this? Probably, but it would be far from an enjoyable experience for someone who likes to explore and walk around cities all day. I'm looking for actual smooth gameplay in 99% of cases on mid to high settings. I'd rather spend a few hundred more than have frequent stutters.

Thanks to all for the replies so far, you've pretty much convinced me an i7 would be pointless.
 
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I say the rosewill challenger
Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Com...

or the nzxt gamma
NZXT GAMMA Classic Series GAMA-001BK Black Steel A...

pretty much both the same cases, the gamma has 2 x 140mm or 120mm on top and challenger only has 1 x 140mm or 120mm for top. great cable management on both.

I own both but I have the challenger front panel on my gamma.

not sure if you can find those cases where your at but look for em. the challenger is also called a casecom 6788

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=112489

not sure if you can buy from ebuyer
Casecom 6788 Black Mid Tower Case with Full Black....

Komplett.be
http://www.komplett.be/Komplett/pro...MA_Midtowermodel_ATX_/GAMA_001BK/default.aspx

Heres a pic of mine so you can see how everything fits.
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t83/shroomalistic/100_5959.jpg
 
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FFXIV is running on the Crystal Tools Engine, the same engine that powered FFXIII on PS3. Recommended specs are i7, 4Gb RAM and a GTX460.


I'm currently in the beta on a 4Ghz E8400, 4Gb RAM and a HD5850 @950/1200, the benchmark gives me a score of 2900 on high, while actual game barely copes with any crowd larger than 5 people.

Strange, you only score 2900, that is pretty low. My Athlon II X4 @ stock (2.6GHz) scores higher paired with a 4850. But then again I run the benchmark @ 720p.

Are your scores @ 1080p or 720p?


The i7 I'm definitely doubting.

I'm looking for actual smooth gameplay in 99% of cases on mid to high settings. I'd rather spend a few hundred more than have frequent stutters.

Thanks to all for the replies so far, you've pretty much convinced me an i7 would be pointless.
i7 isnt pointless as per say. It gets the job done!

My feeling judging by the scores that I have compiled on the FF benchmark in my own thread is that the game is just a quad core whore. My feeling is that it will play better on any CPU that is more than dual core.

Perhaps you could sell your GF your current system (minus your 5850:p) for say $350 and stick in a GTS 250 1GB for her and she'll be content with medium settings. Then with the same $250 left over and pick up a AMD socket, DDR3, and Athlon II X3/X4 and overclock the fuck out of it till about 3.7GHz-4GHz,
 
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I say the rosewill challenger
I was gonna tell you I can't buy Rosewill over here, but I never knew Casecom = Rosewill, certainly gonna check those out. Keeping an eye on the NZXTs at the moment though, they look pretty good for the money

Strange, you only score 2900, that is pretty low. My Athlon II X4 @ stock (2.6GHz) scores higher paired with a 4850. But then again I run the benchmark @ 720p.

Are your scores @ 1080p or 720p?
1080p, which puts more load on the videocard, and seemingly less on the CPU. Strangely enough, I score 2900 on 1080p, and only 2700 on 720p.

i7 isnt pointless as per say. It gets the job done!

My feeling judging by the scores that I have compiled on the FF benchmark in my own thread is that the game is just a quad core whore. My feeling is that it will play better on any CPU that is more than dual core.
Didn't mean to insinuate that i7 was worthless in general :eek: just in this specific case, hyperthreading might not be worth it.

Perhaps you could sell your GF your current system (minus your 5850:p) for say $350 and stick in a GTS 250 1GB for her and she'll be content with medium settings. Then with the same $250 left over and pick up a AMD socket, DDR3, and Athlon II X3/X4 and overclock the fuck out of it till about 3.7GHz-4GHz,
We've been living together for nine years now, so I can hardly sell her anything, she basically takes what she wants. ;) Also, medium is a no go. She's not usually a graphics whore, but when it comes to her MMOs, it's all or nothing. It's my job to make sure it's all.

I don't mind spending serious cash on this, but I'm a price/performance-whore and refuse to pay for things that wont be used or large premiums for small gains.
 
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Could you please find me somewhere where it says that you will need an i7 and 460 in any recommended specs?

All I could find was a mediocre dual core and 9800GT, and that's minimum.
 

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-1 on the beta evo it is cheap but there r no sufficent air filters other then a bunch of huge holes -_- ur computer parts could get very very dusty... unless u intend to buy enough filters for all ur intake fans...

I'd rather get this : NZXT Crafted Series Vulcan Black Steel / Plastic G...
Wait a min- you say the Beta has too many holes and no filters so instead you rec the Vulcan which has a complete mesh side panel? :roll:

The Beta EVO has the front intake and PSU intake filtered stock. You have the option of adding 2 120mm fans on the side panel (which I did in my recent Beta build), but you will have to add filters at a whopping cost of about $7 each new- I got (2) for $5 shipped from a member here :)

Buying 2 cheap dust filters is going to be a lot easier than trying to rig up a filter for the entire side panel.
 

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simple get a Phenom II 945 AM3 785g mobo 4 gigs DDR3 and a 5770 or 5750 for low power usage and good gaming performance.

As for recommended specs dont make me pull up the seriously inflated Metro 2033 recommended requirements of an I7 and gtx 480 when the game ran the same speed on a core 2 duo and a 5870 cost a metric shit ton less.

MMO tend to use just 2 cores at most they can use a good chunk of ram but 4 gigs is still fine

cpu $140
mobo $100
Ram $100
GPU : $129 for a 5770
ASUS CuCore Series EAH5770 CuCore/2DI/1GD5 Radeon ... - note this is an example look around in your region and find a good buy that said ati 4850 5750 5770 4890 nvidia gtx 260core 216 gtx 275 gtx460 1gig etc. fine the best of those for the best price you can
Case: $70 pick your own
PSU: $70 for a good 550 watt like a Corsair Silverstone etc
HDD: 1TB samsung or Western digital at $75-100

and the same engine for FF13 runs on a 5 year old CPU thats way behind the times and a 7800gtx thats in the PS3 the above system i speced out is way overkill in comparison FFIV wont be that demanding. And heres why
1) its an mmo
2) if it is demanding it cuts there customer base severly
3) its an mmo
4) again its an mmo
5) MMOs are made to run smoothly as possible on ancient hardware to get as many subscribers as possible.
 
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