New Build: Replacing Q6600

[newtekie1]

The reason to go HEDT in this context is essentially the same reason why he got the quad core in an age of dual cores: future proofing. That is what MxPhenom wanted you to say, I think.

Personally I'd go octo Ryzen 2, but that 8700K is really nice too, and is a better overclocker so it'll last longer that way.

I'm not sure that HEDT is futureproofing when it comes to gaming, which sounds like the OP's primary purpose. The extra cores beyond the 6 of the 8700K won't help with gaming, but the lower clock speeds that the HEDT chips tend to reach will hurt in gaming.

 

[magibeg]

Don't get an OEM windows license, is about all I have to say aboot it.

Just curious, what is the reason to not get an OEM windows license? It's what I have typically bought in the past.

I've been using the Assassin for a few years now on my 3930k system and I had it in my previous 2600k system. No issues. As far as the RAM is concerned, just don't get a set of RAM with a big heat spreader on it. The heat spreader on RAM is worthless anyway and is only for looks. Pick a set like the Corsair Vengeance LPX RAM, like you have selected already.

Part of the reason why I was asking is because I've heard of situations where large coolers will straight block 2 ram slots. I don't have plans to buy ram with large heatsinks but i am also focused on buying whatever ram happens to be on sale when i hit the purchase button (within reasonable spec of course) and sometimes it's ram with larger heat spreaders.

Wait to see how Zen+ turns out. With more cores and threads and potentially higher clocks than previous it might be a better choice for your use case.

500$ for that 8700K is ridiculously expensive in my opinion. At that point your heading into TR HEDT territory.

EDIT: Noticed you're from Canada , that's still expensive for what you need , for VMs you need as many cores as possible.

Well I figured that the 8700k was a way to not lose any single core gaming performance while also giving me the future insurance of the extra cores. Ryzen with 2 more cores seems to be about even with the 8700k in multicore but the 8700k crushes it in single threaded applications. The cost difference between the Ryzen 1700 and 8700k is about $100. Going the TR route makes it significantly more expensive.

The Q6600 is still a beast for its price today second hand.
Paired with a GTX 960,970 or RX470, 480 and 8 or 16GB DDR3 Ram (if mobo supports it) would still get you decent performance for less money.

The PC you plan to put together is dope.
I would not change anything from the list right now.

Unfortunately the q6600 is actually dead now

She gave me a good run but now it's time to move forward.

I'm not sure that HEDT is futureproofing when it comes to gaming, which sounds like the OP's primary purpose. The extra cores beyond the 6 of the 8700K won't help with gaming, but the lower clock speeds that the HEDT chips tend to reach will hurt in gaming.

I'm a pretty multi-purpose user, so my goal is to minimize sacrifices. I think the cost might be too high and the single core sacrifice too great to justify it. I figured the 8700K was a good mix between work station and gaming performance.

 

[newtekie1]

Just curious, what is the reason to not get an OEM windows license? It's what I have typically bought in the past.

If you plan to keep your system half as long as you kept the Q6600, there really isn't a reason not to go with a OEM license. You aren't supposed to be able to transfer the license if you change out the motherboard, but if enough time has passed since the last time you activated it, you can change out the motherboard.

Part of the reason why I was asking is because I've heard of situations where large coolers will straight block 2 ram slots. I don't have plans to buy ram with large heatsinks but i am also focused on buying whatever ram happens to be on sale when i hit the purchase button (within reasonable spec of course) and sometimes it's ram with larger heat spreaders.

That is a valid concern. If you are worried, then go with one of Noctua's single tower designs, like the NH-U12S. It still gives a significant improvement over the Hyper 212, and will fit pretty much anywhere the Hyper 212 will as well.

I'm a pretty multi-purpose user, so my goal is to minimize sacrifices. I think the cost might be too high and the single core sacrifice too great to justify it. I figured the 8700K was a good mix between work station and gaming performance.

And it definitely is. I know I'm loving mine.

 

[eidairaman1]

Kudos to your Old Q6600....EXCELLENT CPU for it´s time....I used one (2008-2014)before,he did the job well.........

That's when Intel felt they had to look to the past for architecture (Pentium Pro/Pentium 3 which were P6 arch). Core 2 was as great as the A64 when it launched.

 

[magibeg]

If you plan to keep your system half as long as you kept the Q6600, there really isn't a reason not to go with a OEM license. You aren't supposed to be able to transfer the license if you change out the motherboard, but if enough time has passed since the last time you activated it, you can change out the motherboard.



That is a valid concern. If you are worried, then go with one of Noctua's single tower designs, like the NH-U12S. It still gives a significant improvement over the Hyper 212, and will fit pretty much anywhere the Hyper 212 will as well.



And it definitely is. I know I'm loving mine.

Ok I updated the first post with the Noctua cooler.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

I've been using the Assassin for a few years now on my 3930k system and I had it in my previous 2600k system. No issues. As far as the RAM is concerned, just don't get a set of RAM with a big heat spreader on it. The heat spreader on RAM is worthless anyway and is only for looks. Pick a set like the Corsair Vengeance LPX RAM, like you have selected already.

That is why i recommended the cryorig h7 for cooler. It has zero clearence issues for memory, and its a fantastic cooler for the price.

Things I would consider:
- The cooler is a bit meh, try and get something a tad better. If you don't wanna use watercooling, get something like a Noctua.
- The MSI GTX 1080 Duke is not as premium as the Gaming X and I haven't seen reviews of it so I choose something else.

Other than that, the rest looks nice!

It really doesnt matter what 1080 he gets. The Duke is a fine card. Its also an Asus card not MSi.

 

[Frick]

Just curious, what is the reason to not get an OEM windows license? It's what I have typically bought in the past.

With Win10, the "normal" licenses are retail licenses, and at least where I live the OEM licenses cost as much as the normal ones.

 

[notb]

Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $169.99

Honestly, I went 250GB few months ago and I find it to be not enough. I was on a budget and couldn't afford something larger. You can. Think about it - especially if you're going for VMs.

Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit $116.75

Check the differences between Windows 10 Home and Pro. You might want to get the latter.

Other than that, I think the setup is rather perfect. Have fun

 

[magibeg]

Honestly, I went 250GB few months ago and I find it to be not enough. I was on a budget and couldn't afford something larger. You can. Think about it - especially if you're going for VMs.

Check the differences between Windows 10 Home and Pro. You might want to get the latter.

Other than that, I think the setup is rather perfect. Have fun

I figured that 250 would be enough for the OS and main programs while essentially everything else can be run from the 2TB WD black. I admit though I was a little wishy washy on if that would be enough or not. I'm actually not even certain if the performance difference actually matters in real world usage so I was hoping it would be talked about more. Getting a 500GB SSD SATA might be a better value. For reference I also have a NAS with 5x3TB WD Reds where I store all of my media which takes away the bulk.

 

[peche]

new build by OP:

CPU
Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor $489.99
CPU Cooler
Noctua - NH-U12S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler $79.95
Motherboard
ASRock - Z370 Extreme4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $229.00
Memory
Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $263.95
Storage
Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $169.99
Video Card
Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card $693.50
Case
Fractal Design - Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case $127.99
Power Supply
Corsair - 760W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $199.99
Operating System
Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit $116.75
Total: $2379.11

Parts i will reuse:

Cooling 4x 120mm 1x 200mm fans
Storage Hitachi Deskstar 7K500 500GB SATA2
Case Antec 900 **
Audio Device(s) AuzenTech HDA X-PLOSION 7.1 DTS / Z-5500 logitech
Power Supply Corsair Tx750 watt

ill use the same PSU and also case, fans you have on the previuos build will be reused to, as the HDD, could be used as backup / -spare disc,

 

[notb]

I figured that 250 would be enough for the OS and main programs while essentially everything else can be run from the 2TB WD black. I admit though I was a little wishy washy on if that would be enough or not. I'm actually not even certain if the performance difference actually matters in real world usage so I was hoping it would be talked about more. Getting a 500GB SSD SATA might be a better value. For reference I also have a NAS with 5x3TB WD Reds where I store all of my media which takes away the bulk.

As far as games go, you should be fine - if you're OK with having 2-3 titles installed at once. Many new titles will need 30+ GB of drive space and it's likely this figure will grow in coming years...
Other than that, it depends on what you do, really. Like what do you plan with those VMs.
I'm doing some database work and I'm filling half of my 250GB pretty easily with just the project files currently needed. The other half contains Windows, software, few tiny VMs and other useful files. I moved games back to the HDD (2x WD Blue - RAID 1).

I wouldn't recommend replacing the M.2 NVMe with a SATA SSD. NVMe is just a totally different world. Forget rubbish like fast boot or game loading.
Fast disk could open new possibilities - even some that you're not aware of now.

Few months ago I was replacing my old E5400 Dual Core with some modern stuff. Despite having fairly small budget, I knew that a good NVMe is going to be in the case - even if it costs more than the CPU (which turned out to be almost true ).
Just to give you an example. At work I have to deal with pretty large databases: usually His Awfulness Access, occasionally SQLite or bare text files. And I have a fairly ordinary office PC: i5-6500, 8 GB RAM and HDD - so not unlike what I have at home at the moment. Yet, things that seem impossible to do at work, are pretty easy at home. All thanks to this:

 

[magibeg]

new build by OP:

Parts i will reuse:

Cooling 4x 120mm 1x 200mm fans
Storage Hitachi Deskstar 7K500 500GB SATA2
Case Antec 900 **
Audio Device(s) AuzenTech HDA X-PLOSION 7.1 DTS / Z-5500 logitech
Power Supply Corsair Tx750 watt

ill use the same PSU and also case, fans you have on the previuos build will be reused to, as the HDD, could be used as backup / -spare disc,

I kept the fans, destroyed the harddrive as it was starting to throw errors anyway. The case isn't as user friendly as the current cases and lacks newer USB support. The sound card doesn't bring too much to the table anymore but I will still be using the Z-5500's. The power supply I used in a computer I built for my parents to save them some money.

As far as games go, you should be fine - if you're OK with having 2-3 titles installed at once. Many new titles will need 30+ GB of drive space and it's likely this figure will grow in coming years...
Other than that, it depends on what you do, really. Like what do you plan with those VMs.
I'm doing some database work and I'm filling half of my 250GB pretty easily with just the project files currently needed. The other half contains Windows, software, few tiny VMs and other useful files. I moved games back to the HDD (2x WD Blue - RAID 1).

I wouldn't recommend replacing the M.2 NVMe with a SATA SSD. NVMe is just a totally different world. Forget rubbish like fast boot or game loading.
Fast disk could open new possibilities - even some that you're not aware of now.

Few months ago I was replacing my old E5400 Dual Core with some modern stuff. Despite having fairly small budget, I knew that a good NVMe is going to be in the case - even if it costs more than the CPU (which turned out to be almost true ).
Just to give you an example. At work I have to deal with pretty large databases: usually His Awfulness Access, occasionally SQLite or bare text files. And I have a fairly ordinary office PC: i5-6500, 8 GB RAM and HDD - so not unlike what I have at home at the moment. Yet, things that seem impossible to do at work, are pretty easy at home. All thanks to this:
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Yea you might be right. I figured i'd put my steam folder and such on the 2TB black drive with a choice game or 2 on the SSD but I don't think i'm looking far enough ahead. I might need to dig a little deeper for the 500GB for fear of filling up too quickly.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

I kept the fans, destroyed the harddrive as it was starting to throw errors anyway. The case isn't as user friendly as the current cases and lacks newer USB support. The sound card doesn't bring too much to the table anymore but I will still be using the Z-5500's. The power supply I used in a computer I built for my parents to save them some money.



Yea you might be right. I figured i'd put my steam folder and such on the 2TB black drive with a choice game or 2 on the SSD but I don't think i'm looking far enough ahead. I might need to dig a little deeper for the 500GB for fear of filling up too quickly.

I definitely would go with 500g

 

[newtekie1]

Yea you might be right. I figured i'd put my steam folder and such on the 2TB black drive with a choice game or 2 on the SSD but I don't think i'm looking far enough ahead. I might need to dig a little deeper for the 500GB for fear of filling up too quickly.

I'd take a 480/500GB SATA SSD over a 250GB M.2 drive any day. Especially so you can then use a small 60GB potion of the SATA SSD to accelerate your HDD using Intel RST.

 

[magibeg]

I definitely would go with 500g

I'd take a 480/500GB SATA SSD over a 250GB M.2 drive any day. Especially so you can then use a small 60GB potion of the SATA SSD to accelerate your HDD using Intel RST.

Ah i see how it is now, you guys are friends trying to bankrupt me and get me divorced . I'm actually surprised no one suggested that i get a 1080ti

 

[notb]

Ah i see how it is now, you guys are friends trying to bankrupt me and get me divorced . I'm actually surprised no one suggested that i get a 1080ti

Don't. Save up for Volta.

As @newtekie1 suggested: 500 GB SATA costs more or less as much as NVMe 250GB - for gaming and general use (media, web etc) it'll be perfect.
Nevertheless, I strongly suggest NVMe anyway. It's just amazing.

 

[magibeg]

Alright I'm going to go with the 500GB 960 EVO M2 drive instead

And because you guys are poison for *only* 250 more there is a 1080ti.

CPU
Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor $489.99

CPU Cooler
Noctua - NH-U12S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler $79.95

Motherboard
ASRock - Z370 Extreme4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $229.00

Memory
Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $263.95

Storage
Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $309.99

Video Card
EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC Black Edition Video Card $949.99

Case
Fractal Design - Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case $127.99

Power Supply
Corsair - 760W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $199.99

Operating System
Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit $116.75


Total: $2775.60

Alright, so does anyone see anything I don't or am I making any semi-obvious poor decisions after i shoved the budget slightly? I put the 1080 ti there because it really is substantially faster for the $250.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Alright I'm going to go with the 500GB 960 EVO M2 drive instead

And because you guys are poison for *only* 250 more there is a 1080ti.




Alright, so does anyone see anything I don't or am I making any semi-obvious poor decisions after i shoved the budget slightly? I put the 1080 ti there because it really is substantially faster for the $250.

Id give my left nut for that build.

 

[magibeg]

Id give my left nut for that build.

Good news, it's going to be slightly better, just need to buy this tomorrow:

http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=179_1229_1296&item_id=101468

Samsung 960 Pro M.2 NVMe PCI-E 512GB Solid State Drive, Read:3,500 MB/s, Write:2,100 MB/s (MZ-V6P512BW)
$389.00

Found it for slightly cheaper than the cost of the EVO. I'm going to snag that on my way home I think.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

That is why i recommended the cryorig h7 for cooler. It has zero clearence issues for memory, and its a fantastic cooler for the price.



It really doesnt matter what 1080 he gets. The Duke is a fine card. Its also an Asus card not MSi.

The Duke card is actually MSI. Idk why i thought it was Asus. A while back my friend got a new card and it was the Duke, and thougjt for sure it was Asus. I cant read clearly.

 

[magibeg]

Alright I bought the ram and the Samsung 960 Pro 512GB. I'm picking things up as I catch them on sale, so the prices aren't actually accurate for any of the things i've bought so far.

CPU
Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor $489.99

CPU Cooler
Noctua - NH-U12S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler $79.95

Motherboard
ASRock - Z370 Extreme4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $229.00

Memory
Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $263.95

Storage
Samsung - 960 PRO 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $309.99

Video Card
EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC Black Edition Video Card $949.99

Case
Fractal Design - Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case $127.99

Power Supply
Corsair - 760W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $199.99

Operating System
Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit $116.75


Total: $2775.60


All that is left now is the CPU, CPU Cooler, Motherboard, Video Card, and my windows 10 license. I'm still all ears for advice otherwise i'm still moving in this path.

 

[newtekie1]

Question, are you going to use an optical drive?

 

[magibeg]

Question, are you going to use an optical drive?

Sometimes I think yes, but most of the times i'm feeling like it's a no. I have a blu-ray drive in my laptop and I think I can count on 1 hand how often I've actually placed discs in it. I'll end up booting into windows 10 from USB initially for the install and then end up downloading everything else online most likely.

 

[magibeg]

Alright due to availability and such here is what i'm looking at now. After a lot of reading i'm feeling pretty OK about water cooling now. Assuming everything is good i'll pick up these last parts tomorrow evening.

Motherboard: GIGABYTE Z370 AORUS Gaming 5

CPU: Intel Core i7-8700K

CPU Cooler: Fractal Design Celsius S36 AIO Liquid Coolers 360MM

GPU: GIGABYTE AORUS GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB

OS: Windows 10 Home OEM

 

[Vario]

I don't think the water coolers are worth it. If you buy an All in One it probably won't last 5-8 years. Pumps die and hoses and seals dry out and crack. I had an Asetek from a Cyberpower OEM last 5 years before it cracked and leaked. My Coolit H100i lasted 6 months before pump failed. If it were me I'd buy a real nice air cooler like the ones mentioned earlier such as Cry Orig R1, Noctua NHD15S, Phanteks PH-TC14 PE, Be Quiet Dark Rock etc. The beauty of the air cooler is nothing can go wrong. If a fan dies, it will still provide cooling.