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Hi techlads,

Just after your opinions on a new build i have yet to give the go ahead on but will be in a cpl of days. Im like an older gamer (43), been playing games most of my life (some console) and am looking to have this build for the next 2-3yrs without updating. Im not exactly spec minded when it comes to computers and what works and what doesnt, but im after a system that will play any game at the highest lvl and keep me interested for a while..

Heres the quotes i have received (wth discounts)

System 1:

1x Core I5-3550, 3.3ghz, Quad Core, Integrated graphics
1x Gigabyte GZ-X7/ 450W PSU
1x 500GB SATAII 7200rpm HDD
1x 4GB DDRIII 1333Mhz (1x4gb)
1x H61 Intel motherboard 1155
1x Nvidia GTX560 1GB PCI Express
1x DVD-RW SATAII
1x Windows 7 Home Premium

Price : $1049au

System 2:

Exact same specs as system 1 but with a 650W PSU (instead of the 450W) and Nvidia GTX670 2gb (instead of the GTX560)

Price : $1419au

I have had my fair share of desktops over the yrs, the last puter was very old running intel core 2 3.0ghz and a 9600GT card. It got a virus and needed a re-install but the case was in vbad shape also so basically wasnt worth saving. Just like to know what is best for the $$ and would i need more ram?..better mobo? etc. I preferably dont want to update the gfx card later but thats technology and sometimes cant be avoided.

cheers.
Brett
 
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GTX670 is far better. GTX 560/570/580 are no longer a reasonable choice once 670 entered the market (unless you can get 2nd hand cards at ridiculously low prices). I used 580 for a couple months and switched to 670 immediately when it's available. The difference between 670 and 580 is noticeable, which means that the difference between 670 and 560 must be HUGE.

I also recommend i5 3570K so you can OC it to get more power in the future (when you can afford a more decent CPU cooler, that is).
 
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Since you can afford a GTX 670, than it is the clear choice hands down.
A GTX 560 is not enough for many games at max settings even on launch, let alone today.
 

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Since you can afford a GTX 670, than it is the clear choice hands down.
A GTX 560 is not enough for many games at max settings even on launch, let alone today.
yea..do understand:eek:, i thought as an option to get the 560 now and upgrade at a latter date, but obviously that depends on many things such as wot resolution/games played etc..

Was looking at playing BF3 and simulations(upcoming) with triple screen monitors (iracing) therefore the 560 would be draging the chain.
 
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H61 is the entry level Sandy Bridge mobo. Is it an Intel board? Check if it has Ivy support, might need to have a Sandy CPU to flash an Ivy compatible BIOS. I would suggest you look into some H77 boards. For the GTX670 a 500W PSU is enough.
 

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does say intel on it?.. next one up is the DA-H77M-D3H intel 1155 at $40 more ..does that determine SLI mode or running 2 cards?
 
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H61 is the chipset, you didn't specified the board manufacturer, Intel also makes boards.
The DA-H77M-D3H is a Gigabyte board but neither your first choice the H61 whatever manufacturer nor the Gigabyte board support SLI. For that you will need a P67/Z68 Sandy Bridge or Z77 Ivy bridge chipset. For a budget build (no OC, one GPU) the H77 is suitable (micro ATX) like this one:

ASRock H77M LGA 1155 Intel H77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB...
 

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H61 is the chipset, you didn't specified the board manufacturer, Intel also makes boards.
The DA-H77M-D3H is a Gigabyte board but neither your first choice the H61 whatever manufacturer nor the Gigabyte board support SLI. For that you will need a P67/Z68 Sandy Bridge or Z77 Ivy bridge chipset. For a budget build (no OC, one GPU) the H77 is suitable (micro ATX) like this one:

ASRock H77M LGA 1155 Intel H77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB...
thanx for that crap daddy, my reference and the people doing the build is here ..under "build your own",no mention of the P67 or Z68:confused:
 
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Build your own. That way you can choose your components better. It seems that shop has very limited options. How far you can go with your budget?
 
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Crap Daddy is right!
You will need an H67 atleast
 
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THis is the wrost build your own wab site i have even seen!
Well you can check this priceguide.in
But the prices are in INR you can convert it in $ by divide ing it to 56
 

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is this mobo ok? does say SLI ready and crossfire, anything after that seems to be getting more expensive :(
 
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is this mobo ok? does say SLI ready and crossfire, anything after that seems to be getting more expensive :(
Not a bad budget board. Just be aware it's mATX(small form factor)
 
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Yea ok, what does that exactly mean?:confused:
It's a no frills mATX board. Tho it is a "full featured" Z77 chipset as opposed to the H77 chipset previously suggested so higher quality than the Asrock.
 
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Brettly....if you are using a full sized case....go with a full sized board....ATX sized. The mATX sized boards are a lot smaller and guys are using them in really small cases , such as HTPC's. Powerful little MoBo's.....but if you are using a full sized case....get the full size MB.......more room to play around on.

Also....the GTX670 hands down over even 2 - 560's. In fact , in most games the 670 will beat a set of 560's in Sli. You can check out a bunch of game bench's and you'll see that a single 670 will in fact match or beat a set of 560 cards in Sli.

Future proofing a little with a 670 as well. Use one now.....and in a year from now if you need / want more power.....pick up another one.

BTW....brings me back to a MB option.....get one that will do Sli and one that is well recommended in the forums. I would recommend checking out the Asrock Extreme series boards , along with Gigabyte , Asus and a few others.
 
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Gigabyte GA-Z77P-D3
THis Mobo is als good
 
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Thanx for all the info lads..just give the go ahead on this build..

1xCore i5-3570K, 3.4GHZ Quad UNLOCKED
1xGigabyte GZ-X7/650W Aywun PSU
1x500GB SATAII 7200RPM HDD
2x4GB DDRII 800MHz (2x2GB)
1xGigabyte GA-H77M-D3H Intel mobo 1155
1xNvidia GTX670 2gb PCI Express
1xDVD-RW SATAII

Total: $1540 (didnt need to get windows 7 because had that already)

I know probably a little too much, and doing it myself would have been cheaper but i seriously dont have the time for that. Should i upgrade the CPU to i7? Is it necessary? Use a better SLI mobo? Was looking at using this computer for the long term and he did say using 2x GTX670 i would need a 800W PSU..Case is Thermaltake (i dont know model)..what about coolers? Can i install those myself?..is it necessary?

Anyways..i give the deposit tis morning and looking forward to picking it up :). He said inform him if i wanted to change things. the GTX 680 would have push the price up to the 1800 mark..bugger that

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Well if you can get a i7 then get that but i5 will do just fine
 

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So i cant infact overclock the CPU with that motherboard, i would need the Z77MX instead (50$ more). Is overclocking the CPU an added benefit for fps in games?
I guess getting it now is better than later.
 
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So i cant infact overclock the CPU with that motherboard, i would need the Z77MX instead (50$ more). Is overclocking the CPU an added benefit for fps in games?
I guess getting it now is better than later.
Yes, You can get more fps by ocing your CPU
 
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Good choice

Thanx for all the info lads..just give the go ahead on this build..

1xCore i5-3570K, 3.4GHZ Quad UNLOCKED
1xGigabyte GZ-X7/650W Aywun PSU
1x500GB SATAII 7200RPM HDD
2x4GB DDRII 800MHz (2x2GB)
1xGigabyte GA-H77M-D3H Intel mobo 1155
1xNvidia GTX670 2gb PCI Express
1xDVD-RW SATAII

Total: $1540 (didnt need to get windows 7 because had that already)

I know probably a little too much, and doing it myself would have been cheaper but i seriously dont have the time for that. Should i upgrade the CPU to i7? Is it necessary? Use a better SLI mobo? Was looking at using this computer for the long term and he did say using 2x GTX670 i would need a 800W PSU..Case is Thermaltake (i dont know model)..what about coolers? Can i install those myself?..is it necessary?

Anyways..i give the deposit tis morning and looking forward to picking it up :). He said inform him if i wanted to change things. the GTX 680 would have push the price up to the 1800 mark..bugger that

Brett
I think you will be very happy with this system using the 670.
I have experience using the 460 GTX, 570 GTX, 570 GTX SLI and now the 670 GTX.
The 670 GTX is just a very fast card and reasonable in price. It runs pretty cool and doesn't use too much power.

I really liked my EVGA 570's but they were a bit dated and only 1GB cards. But they were also fast as heck in BF3, single or SLI, in High Mode.
I had the 570 Classified models which are highly overclocked from the factory. The only reason I upgraded to the 670's was because of EVGA's Upgrade Plan. It cost me about $100.00 each card to get the better cards and I went for it.

But now with the 670 GTX I am playing BF3 Ultra Mode and getting slightly better fps and at stock settings, no overclock, using just one card. Stock settings equals less heat and longer life.

As I only use a 24" monitor I don't bother using my second 670 GTX card in this system, there is no benefit.
As far as a 680 instead of the 670...I don't think it's worth the extra money. That's just my opinion, of course.
A few fps difference in some games doesn't make sense to me for the money. I can always overclock the 670 to match the 680 easily enough if I want to.

Bottom line...the 670 GTX is a fantastic graphics card and you won't be sorry you bought one. Have fun.
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I think you will be very happy with this system using the 670.
I have experience using the 460 GTX, 570 GTX, 570 GTX SLI and now the 670 GTX.
The 670 GTX is just a very fast card and reasonable in price. It runs pretty cool and doesn't use too much power.

I really liked my EVGA 570's but they were a bit dated and only 1GB cards. But they were also fast as heck in BF3, single or SLI, in High Mode.
I had the 570 Classified models which are highly overclocked from the factory. The only reason I upgraded to the 670's was because of EVGA's Upgrade Plan. It cost me about $100.00 each card to get the better cards and I went for it.

But now with the 670 GTX I am playing BF3 Ultra Mode and getting slightly better fps and at stock settings, no overclock, using just one card. Stock settings equals less heat and longer life.

As I only use a 24" monitor I don't bother using my second 670 GTX card in this system, there is no benefit.
As far as a 680 instead of the 670...I don't think it's worth the extra money. That's just my opinion, of course.
A few fps difference in some games doesn't make sense to me for the money. I can always overclock the 670 to match the 680 easily enough if I want to.

Bottom line...ther670 GTX is a fantastic graphics card and you won't be sorry you bought one. Have fun.
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Thanx Raw, im pretty sure i will be after coming from a 9600GT card. I will be using a 32' 1080p screen with hopes on a bigger screen (40') later so just verifying what is best.
So you wouldn't recommend a Z77 board? I know there is risks etc when overclocking but to further its life-span cant be a bad thing.