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why would you suggest the bare minimum?
Overclocking on 4GB dimms are a little tougher to obtain stability, even on Sandy Bridge systems. If shooting for 8GB, 4x2GB would work out better and in some cases be cheaper. Now if overclocking was not planned from the get-go then I would say get a 2x4GB kit the fastest you can afford.

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With a budget of 2G you should wait it out for Sandy Bridge E/X79 or look at the 2600K.
 

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DDR3 is almost coming to a end soon. DDR4 will be out and takes over just like DDR3 did so why invest in DDR3 now? I could imagine saying what you say when DDR3 JUST CAME OUT but not at this stage of the game
 

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@Brandon
-EIn my speculations, DDr4 will require a revision of X79/Sandy Bridge-E at first release and require new cpu's. No offense but what you're mentioning right now is moot.
 
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When does the X79 come out? I can probably hold out a month without a new computer. Also, I heard something about the 7xxx series coming out soon so I'm really now considering to wait all together now. This always happens when buying a new rig; to wait or not to wait, meeeh :p
 
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Heard mid->end of next month. Unsure on 7k's.
 
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Heard mid->end of next month. Unsure on 7k's.
Hmm.. What would you do? I really just want to have a computer that can last me for at least 3 years. That is, that it manages to run games on high settings through the 3 years. Would also be a big plus if it was future proof so if e.g 3 year years from now I can just change my GPU and I'll be set for the newest games at the highest settings again. I know its not possible to look into the future, but any thoughts are very much appreciated.

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Personally, I would not get those go with the Crossfire'd video cards. There are still lots of little irritating problems with Crossfire'd video cards. I would get the fastest single GPU video card you can afford, like a GTX580. If it is still not fast enough, you can SLI a second one.
 

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-EIn my speculations, DDr4 will require a revision of X79/Sandy Bridge-E at first release and require new cpu's. No offense but what you're mentioning right now is moot.
I suspect they come atleast by middle of next year. I mean by all means he can blow his money on 16GB of ram JUST to game on. Even my 6GB dont get used EVER. When in BF3 I use around 3GB
 
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I suspect they come atleast by middle of next year. I mean by all means he can blow his money on 16GB of ram JUST to game on. Even my 6GB dont get used EVER. When in BF3 I use around 3GB
Thats why I recc'd the 8 with faster speed. More ram is never bad tho, so ... w/e
 
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as you see, you dont have a use for Sandy-e.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-3960x-x79-performance,3026-15.html

its made for multi threading. for a fact, you dont even need that 2600k. get the 2500k and use that money towards something else. theres absolutely no reason to get these things for games. all you need is a strong 4 cored chip, that is what the 2500k is. 2500k is the cpu of choice. it not only gives the best bang for buck, but is also a very powerful chip

Personally, I would not get those go with the Crossfire'd video cards. There are still lots of little irritating problems with Crossfire'd video cards. I would get the fastest single GPU video card you can afford, like a GTX580. If it is still not fast enough, you can SLI a second one.
ya, but only because those are CNFC non ref garbage. if they were reference cards, i would have been all over it. the reference 6970 is a state of art design from an engineering standpoint. solid, strong pcb digital volterra PWM etc, nice looks etc... or else get a 580.
 

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Thats why I recc'd the 8 with faster speed. More ram is never bad tho, so ... w/e
I just dont see the point of anything over 8GB for gaming and other light things. Unless hes doing full autocad/catia/vercut then there is NO use for 16GB.

A good set of 2x4gb cas7 1.5V 1600mhz sticks would be the ideal spot for him if he wants 8GB
 
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Hmm.. What would you do? I really just want to have a computer that can last me for at least 3 years. That is, that it manages to run games on high settings through the 3 years. Would also be a big plus if it was future proof so if e.g 3 year years from now I can just change my GPU and I'll be set for the newest games at the highest settings again. I know its not possible to look into the future, but any thoughts are very much appreciated.

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That looks FANTASTIC!

Very solid build (I'm obviously biased as it's very similar to mine ;) )

Realistically the 16GB over 8GB and 2600k over 2500k are overkill but that's kinda what TPU is all about, right? And if it fits in your budget you're not lacking anywhere else where the savings on those components would have a bigger impact on gaming.


Regarding the video cards:
nVidia is generally better for a single display, and ATI/AMD is better at super high resolutions (aka, Eyefinity).

If you don't plan on doing Eyefinity, go with nVidia (560TI or 570 in SLI. or 580 single). If you think you'll use Eyefinity (or nVidia Surround) you'll get more bang for your dollar with the crossfired 6950s.


Regarding the future:
You should be able to drop new cards into this system 3 years down the road and not have a serious CPU or PCIe lane limitation. (any PCIe limitation would be on the order of 5% and an x79 platform would be considerably more than a 5% increase in cost for a very small increase in current or future gaming performance).

This (p)review is pretty informative: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-3960x-x79-performance,3026-12.html

The short story is very little to no performance increase in gaming if you go with x79.


Your setup looks great. You've made some great choices. Now go buy!



(oh, and to whomever mentioned DDR4: As soon as DDR4 starts gaining prominence the prices of DDR3 will climb. Might as well get it now?)
 
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When does the X79 come out? I can probably hold out a month without a new computer. Also, I heard something about the 7xxx series coming out soon so I'm really now considering to wait all together now. This always happens when buying a new rig; to wait or not to wait, meeeh :p
For a gamer ? SB-E doesn't seem to add much to the table for gamers. According to THW's review, there is no difference between the top SB-E and the 2600k in gaming. And considering that the SB-E and SB are targeted at two different markets, I doubt the release of the E will push down the prices of the 2600k.
As for the 7k


Personally, I would not get those go with the Crossfire'd video cards. There are still lots of little irritating problems with Crossfire'd video cards. I would get the fastest single GPU video card you can afford, like a GTX580. If it is still not fast enough, you can SLI a second one.
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+1.
Though I've to admit, CF has gone through many improvements recently. Still, a single card's always a safer choice.
 

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(oh, and to whomever mentioned DDR4: As soon as DDR4 starts gaining prominence the prices of DDR3 will climb. Might as well get it now?)
I have to agree with you on this. If you plan on using a DDR3 machine way after DDR4 is released then get it while its hot cause it will be a ripple effect of DDR2's demise.
 
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Your rig looks good to me. (I think everyone is telling you to get cheaper stuff so that your rig doesn't totally eclipse their very exestence.) ;)

I would get 8 gigs of DDR3, its pretty cheap right now and sufficient. 1866 would be good.

After you build it, you'll have a pretty much world class rig and everyone on TPU will envy you. :respect:
 
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Realistically the 16GB over 8GB and 2600k over 2500k are overkill but that's kinda what TPU is all about, right? And if it fits in your budget you're not lacking anywhere else where the savings on those components would have a bigger impact on gaming.
no it's not. excuse me but this is a dumbass way of thinking. this site is for educating what people can get out of the most for their money, not to throw it away. 8 gb is MORE than enough. so is the 2500k.

www.overclock.net/intel-general/1126054-2500k-vs-2600k.html

get those two and use the leftover money towards some expensive shampoo like Calvin klein or a bottle of slippery gel... :D
 
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Some changes to the config:

2x MSI N570GTX 1.28 GB DDR5 Video Card TWIN II FROZR
Seems like 2 GTX 570's in SLI really shines according to http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_hd6990/12.htm (further down on the site at 1920x1200). I'll only be using 1 screen at 1920x1200 so I guess this is better then?

1x 2500k
From different posts and comparison articles it seems like when it comes to the pure gaming experience, it's so much better to take the 2500k since there's not significant difference between the 2500k and 2600k. However, is the 2500k as nice to overclock as the 2600k?

Only problem now is the RAM. Was looking at this http://www.pcx.hu/termek/kingston-hyperx-3x2gb-ddr3-2000mhz-khx2000c9ad3t1k3-6gx-memoria-55903 and it seems to have gotten pretty good reviews. Only thing I'm afraid of is that it won't fit inside my case the cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced. If anyone want find some other RAM that is good here http://www.pcx.hu//?action=termekLista&kategoria_id=10145&keres=&gyartoSelect=&rendezesSelect=2 it would be nice as well. Different options are always great.
 

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Skip the tri channel kit, look for a dual channel. Essentially you would have 2x2 in dual and 1x2 in single channel with those sticks.

EDIT:

Although those sticks are inexpensive and pretty fast. Decent buy, tbh.
 
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2x MSI N570GTX 1.28 GB DDR5 Video Card TWIN II FROZR
Seems like 2 GTX 570's in SLI really shines according to http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/sapphire_hd6990/12.htm (further down on the site at 1920x1200). I'll only be using 1 screen at 1920x1200 so I guess this is better then?

1x 2500k
From different posts and comparison articles it seems like when it comes to the pure http://www.pcx.hu/termek/kingston-hyperx-3x2gb-ddr3-2000mhz-khx2000c9ad3t1k3-6gx-memoria-55903gaming experience, it's so much better to take the 2500k since there's not significant difference between the 2500k and 2600k. However, is the 2500k as nice to overclock as the 2600k?
yes, it oc's similarly. and is the way to go for games. :)

as for those cards, reference 570s are limited by 4 phase vrm's failures. those are reference boards with custom coolers. look for non reference 570s.
 
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Skip the tri channel kit, look for a dual channel. Essentially you would have 2x2 in dual and 1x2 in single channel with those sticks.

EDIT:

Although those sticks are inexpensive and pretty fast. Decent buy, tbh.
So you think I should for go for them?
I can't really seem to find any good dual channel kits in this list http://www.pcx.hu//?action=termekLista&kategoria_id=10145&keres=&gyartoSelect=&rendezesSelect=2 so I'm leaning a bit towards those I mentioned.
 
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yes, it oc's similarly. and is the way to go for games. :)

as for those cards, reference 570s are limited by 4 phase vrm's failures. those are reference boards with custom coolers. look for non reference 570s.
Does the 4 phase vrm's failures take a real hit to the performance? Which are the brands that make non reference 570's?
 
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Does the 4 phase vrm's failures take a real hit to the performance? Which are the brands that make non reference 570's?
I have blown up a ref 570 with really light use, I can attest to this - they overclock like ass if you dont want to break them. Go for the 6950's/6970's or straight for the 580(s). a 580 will OC like a monster.

MSI and GIGABYTE brands with custom coolers are non-reference. You can also get the EVGA HD series, although they are a bit meh.
 
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#49
Hmm.. What would you do? I really just want to have a computer that can last me for at least 3 years. That is, that it manages to run games on high settings through the 3 years. Would also be a big plus if it was future proof so if e.g 3 year years from now I can just change my GPU and I'll be set for the newest games at the highest settings again. I know its not possible to look into the future, but any thoughts are very much appreciated.

The build is currently:
1db Intel Core i7-2600K 3.40GHz BOX
2db XFX ATi Radeon HD6950 2Gb*(HD-695X-CNFC)
1db G.Skill DDR-3 16Gb /1600 KIT
1db Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced (RC-692-KNN2)
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If you want the most futureproof you can get, I would wait for SB-e

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As you can see even the 975 beats the 2500k quite handily and comes quite close to the 2600k. In a game that can utilize the threads SB-e will dominate, and it can handle today's lesser games just as well as SB.
 
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the Nehalem doesnt beat Sandy. thats just straight out nonsense.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=99

about SB-e... its not future proofing. its being worked on for workstations and such, not gaming. BF3 is a different situation because its core-heavy. now go ahead and compare a bunch of benches on that link rather than looking at one redundant score. if you want to wait, i'd wait for Ivy. but keep in mind that it'll be a somewhat long wait. sandy is the way to go and will be.