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no, i wasnt. SB-e isnt more future proof or anything. thats just your wrong thinking into buying more cores helps today. did you even read the preview? its obvious that the E platform is catered more with servers in mind. in some ways such as TDP, its WORSE than Sandy. pulls more power running hotter to begin with. costs more and is worse in some ways functionality wise. but you're in no position to see this.
Yes you're right, your crystal ball is way more functional than mine. I can't easily pull up links that say SB-e overclocks just as high as SB on air, and games will definitely come to a standstill. Thank you for showing me the error of my ways. Have fun.
 
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#84

Which direction did you decide on the GPUs? I just wanted to second the recommendation for SLI'd 570s for the resolution you're running at.

Can you swing this card in your budget?:http://www.pcx.hu/termek/msi-n570gtx-1-28gb-gddr5-twin-frozr-iii-power-edition-oc-videokartya-79133


Regarding that memory: looking at a tri-channel kit really isn't making the most use of what you're spending.

Looking at that site here's a pretty good option:
http://www.pcx.hu/termek/corsair-2x4gb-ddr3-cmx8gx3m2a2000c9-xms3-memoria-79484


As far as overclocking the 2500k vs 2600k:
Due to binning you can generally get a bit higher clock on the i7 than the i5. So 4.2Ghz - 4.8Ghz on the i5 and 4.5Ghz - 5.2Ghz on the i7

It's not a big difference and at these clocks you don't see the same performance gains as the initial overclock (diminishing returns as you increase GHz).
 
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Memory - Intel recommend 1.50v plus/minus 5% which means 1.60v is the ideal safe maximum, but we have found in our testing all 1.65v memory is fine. We have also found most new 1.65v like Corsair XMS3 will run at its rated timings with just 1.50-1.55v which is well within Intel specifications. So people upgrading to Sandybridge you can still use your old DDR3, but we do recommend you run it at 1.60v or less. We are shipping most of our bundles which feature Corsair XMS at 1.50v-1.55v at rated timings. We've also discussed with Asus and MSI regarding voltages for memory and they also confirm in their testing 1.65v caused no issues with reliability.


http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=21199063

Ive seen that high voltage is usually not a good idea for SB... So even if you get the adata chips, you better hope that those are the same IC's or your stuck with some crap ram. Ram doesn't even matter that much anyways - get whatever as long as its 1600Mhz. The performance difference is barely noticeable, if at all.

Just for shits, price this system out and see if you are on budget:

2500K Cpu,
Cheapest SLI capable mobo you can find (pref - gigabyte brand for quick dirty OC)
580 SLI
Corsair TX 750
2x500 GB WD blacks for raid 0
DVD burner
Budget case that can fit 580's
cheapest 8gb ram kit you can find 1333mhz even - really whatever here.
Cooler Master Hyper 212 cpu cooler.

see if that system is in your budget, because if it is, it would smoke what you currently got in games - esp once you got those 580's up to 900Mhz core. Its better balanced for gaming.
 
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Which direction did you decide on the GPUs? I just wanted to second the recommendation for SLI'd 570s for the resolution you're running at.

Can you swing this card in your budget?:http://www.pcx.hu/termek/msi-n570gtx-1-28gb-gddr5-twin-frozr-iii-power-edition-oc-videokartya-79133


Regarding that memory: looking at a tri-channel kit really isn't making the most use of what you're spending.

Looking at that site here's a pretty good option:
http://www.pcx.hu/termek/corsair-2x4gb-ddr3-cmx8gx3m2a2000c9-xms3-memoria-79484


As far as overclocking the 2500k vs 2600k:
Due to binning you can generally get a bit higher clock on the i7 than the i5. So 4.2Ghz - 4.8Ghz on the i5 and 4.5Ghz - 5.2Ghz on the i7

It's not a big difference and at these clocks you don't see the same performance gains as the initial overclock (diminishing returns as you increase GHz).
Ended up with the 2600K. Switching the ones currently in the config with the MSI N570GTX Twin FROZR 1.28 GB GDDR5 III Power Edition / OC you linked to will add about 145$ so that's pushing it quite a bit :/

So far I've got:
Intel Core i7-2600K processzor
2x MSI N570GTX 1,28 GB DDR5 TWIN FROZR II
Asus P8Z68-V PRO
Corsair 2x4GB DDR3 CMX8GX3M2A2000C9 XMS3
Corsair 850TX V2 850W
Seagate 2TB 64MB SATA3 ST2000DL003
Xigmatek CPXT-025 Aegir SD128264 CPU Cooler
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2x Sharkoon 120mm Silent Eagle 2000 fan
2x Enermax Silence 140mm fan
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OCZ 60GB Agility 3 (almost double the price for 120GB so I'll settle with 60GB as OS install and careful storage management of games)
Cooler Master RC-692-KKN2 690 II

Total: 2400$ including shipping

Actually wen't quite a bit over my budget. 1) Every component fits together? 2) Any finishing touches?
 
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the ssd is a waste of money...
 
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Memory - Intel recommend 1.50v plus/minus 5% which means 1.60v is the ideal safe maximum, but we have found in our testing all 1.65v memory is fine. We have also found most new 1.65v like Corsair XMS3 will run at its rated timings with just 1.50-1.55v which is well within Intel specifications. So people upgrading to Sandybridge you can still use your old DDR3, but we do recommend you run it at 1.60v or less. We are shipping most of our bundles which feature Corsair XMS at 1.50v-1.55v at rated timings. We've also discussed with Asus and MSI regarding voltages for memory and they also confirm in their testing 1.65v caused no issues with reliability.


http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=21199063

Ive seen that high voltage is usually not a good idea for SB... So even if you get the adata chips, you better hope that those are the same IC's or your stuck with some crap ram. Ram doesn't even matter that much anyways
that's total nonsense... nothing wrong with 1.65v. not one thing at all. it's no different than running a 1.35v CPU at 1.45v. well below safe specs. Ben from Patriot suggests it himself.

as for the A-Data's, yep, Hyper MHN-E. better than anything you can buy on the market. overbudget though they cost twice as much and like you said, ram performance doesnt matter... just for satisfactory. those had a good price for what they're, so i thought they wouldnt hurt.

OP, really pick up non ref 570s. you dont want your vrms dead.
 
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that's total nonsense... nothing wrong with 1.65v. not one thing at all. it's no different than running a 1.35v CPU at 1.45v. well below safe specs. Ben from Patriot suggests it himself.

as for the A-Data's, yep, Hyper MHN-E. better than anything you can buy on the market. overbudget though they cost twice as much and like you said, ram performance doesnt matter... just for satisfactory. those had a good price for what they're, so i thought they wouldnt hurt.

OP, really pick up non ref 570s. you dont want your vrms dead.
2500K Cpu,
Cheapest SLI capable mobo you can find (pref - gigabyte brand for quick dirty OC)
580 SLI OC to 850-900Mhz
Corsair TX 750
2x500 GB WD blacks for raid 0
DVD burner
Budget case that can fit 580's
cheapest 8gb ram kit you can find 1333mhz even - really whatever here.
Cooler Master Hyper 212 cpu cooler.

That is my system req, honestly, i would like ur opinion, bc i think it would be close in cost but 20% faster in games, with 1TB of fast disk storage. At the end of the day, games will only get more graphically intense, and this system would be a more enjoyable gaming machine.
 
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he can do that too. really depends entirely on each component he wants.

but OP, please put back the 2500k in it's place like most other people. it's what you should go for. the 2600k is not much use for games
 
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Memory - Intel recommend 1.50v plus/minus 5% which means 1.60v is the ideal safe maximum, but we have found in our testing all 1.65v memory is fine. We have also found most new 1.65v like Corsair XMS3 will run at its rated timings with just 1.50-1.55v which is well within Intel specifications. So people upgrading to Sandybridge you can still use your old DDR3, but we do recommend you run it at 1.60v or less. We are shipping most of our bundles which feature Corsair XMS at 1.50v-1.55v at rated timings. We've also discussed with Asus and MSI regarding voltages for memory and they also confirm in their testing 1.65v caused no issues with reliability.


http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=21199063

Ive seen that high voltage is usually not a good idea for SB... So even if you get the adata chips, you better hope that those are the same IC's or your stuck with some crap ram. Ram doesn't even matter that much anyways - get whatever as long as its 1600Mhz. The performance difference is barely noticeable, if at all.

Just for shits, price this system out and see if you are on budget:

2500K Cpu,
Cheapest SLI capable mobo you can find (pref - gigabyte brand for quick dirty OC)
580 SLI
Corsair TX 750
2x500 GB WD blacks for raid 0
DVD burner
Budget case that can fit 580's
cheapest 8gb ram kit you can find 1333mhz even - really whatever here.
Cooler Master Hyper 212 cpu cooler.

see if that system is in your budget, because if it is, it would smoke what you currently got in games - esp once you got those 580's up to 900Mhz core. Its better balanced for gaming.
With those components you mentioned there I land at 2017$ incl. shipping without the additional 80mm/120mm/140mm fans. With the fans It's a total of 2085$.

The cheapest 580 gfx card I picked 2 of: http://www.pcx.hu/?action=termekOldal&azonosito=71447
And the 8gb ram: http://www.pcx.hu/?action=termekOldal&azonosito=73577
lastly, the case: http://www.pcx.hu/?action=termekOldal&azonosito=48676
 
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he can do that too. really depends entirely on each component he wants.
That's a non-answer.

Each component doesnt matter, at the end of the day its in a case, and its a system - it works together. Andynor -if you want to game, go for the faster gaming machine. Otherwise you can spend the next month picking component by component to only waste a bunch of $$ on stuff you will not notice.

With those components you mentioned there I land at 2017$ incl. shipping without the additional 80mm/120mm/140mm fans. With the fans It's a total of 2085$.

The cheapest 580 gfx card I picked 2 of: http://www.pcx.hu/?action=termekOldal&azonosito=71447
And the 8gb ram: http://www.pcx.hu/?action=termekOldal&azonosito=73577
lastly, the case: http://www.pcx.hu/?action=termekOldal&azonosito=48676

u got your answer - that is a $2000 machine that will wipe the floor with the $2400 at any game, any resolution. http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/01/11/amd_69706950_cfx_nvidia_580570_sli_review/
 
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That's a non-answer.

Each component doesnt matter, at the end of the day its in a case, and its a system - it works together. Andynor -if you want to game, go for the faster gaming machine. Otherwise you can spend the next month picking component by component to only waste a bunch of $$ on stuff you will not notice.
how is it a "non answer"? if he wants better cooled cards, he can get that machine. or yours for purely performance. each component does matter. it's subjective. 580s are already cool running cards, but you have two options. a little more power or a Twin-Frozr with a load of fans. it's up to him to decide on. that's not something i can comment on.
 
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how is it a "non answer"? if he wants better cooled cards, he can get that machine. or yours for purely performance. each component does matter. it's subjective. 580s are already cool running cards, but you have two options. a little more power or a Twin-Frozr with a load of fans. it's up to him to decide on. that's not something i can comment on.
Its a non-answer because the OP is asking for your opinion on a better gaming machine and you are not willing to comment because you dont know if the OP wants more fans on his card or not? Not trying to be a d*ck, just not understanding.

The question implied: if it was you, which system would YOU buy?
 
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well... thats going to be hard. 570 SLI packs a lot of power. 580s do improve, and run cool, but those are TF3 cards. also, his tower cools better... i dont know really. its a toss up
 
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well... thats going to be hard. 570 SLI packs a lot of power. 580s do improve (and OC better, and can be overvolted w/o issue), and run cool, but those are TF3 cards. also, his tower cools better... i dont know really. its a toss up
Also you save $400 - so you can even go 2600K on the cheaper system and STILL be under budget. No question 580 SLI> 570SLI.

OP, look at your own OverclockersClub review where you decided to switch to the 570's. Now look at the Overclocked 580SLI graph. And dont forget to look in your wallet :D.

K im out :toast: - good luck.
 
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Forgot to add a hdd, so it's a total of 2129$; still a good price though.

Edit: Actually, as I said earlier, switching the GTX 570 TF2's with GTX 570 TF3's will add about 145$ making the system a total of 2545$ instead of 2400$ if I had the TF2's.
 
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So this is the final build (!?) - 2480$ inc shipping with all fans:

Motherboard: Asus P8Z68-V PRO
CPU: 1x Intel Core i5-2500K
GPU: 2x Leadtek GTX580 1536MB
PSU: 1x Corsair 750W CMPSU-750TX
RAM: 1x Corsair 2x4GB DDR3 1866MHz Vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9
HDD: 2x Western Digital 500GB SATAIII 7200RPM 32MB WD5002AALX
Case: 1x Cooler Master RC-692-KKN2 690 II
DVD-ROM Read/write: 1x Samsung SH-S222AB
CPU Cooler: 1x Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus

FANS:
2x Enermax Silence 140m
2x Sharkoon Silent Eagle 2000 120mm fan
2x Zalman ZM-F1 Plus 80mm fan


Edit: Christ, I'm way too sleepy now. Been on this since I nearly woke up; forgot to add the motherboard as well to the configuration. So the above config adds up to a total of 2480$ or 2400$ without the fans (CPU cooler is not subtracted). Oh well, I'm going to bed! My head is totally messed up, hopefully some constructive feedback will be here tomorrow when I come back :)

Edit 2: If the 8gb RAM set above at 1866Mhz is switched out with the 8gb set Kingston HyperX 8GB (2x4GB) 1600MHz DDR3 memory the setup above goes down to 2375$ without the fans or 2455$ with fans.

Compare it with my previous build - 2400$ inc shipping with all fans:

Intel Core i7-2600K processor
2x MSI N570GTX 1,28 GB DDR5 TWIN FROZR II
Asus P8Z68-V PRO
Corsair 2x4GB DDR3 CMX8GX3M2A2000C9 XMS3
Corsair 850TX V2 850W
Seagate 2TB 64MB SATA3 ST2000DL003
Xigmatek CPXT-025 Aegir SD128264 CPU Cooler
2x Zalman ZM-F1 Plus 80mm fan
2x Sharkoon 120mm Silent Eagle 2000 fan
2x Enermax Silence 140mm fan
Samsung SH-S222AB/BEBE fekete OEM DVD
OCZ 60GB Agility 3
Cooler Master RC-692-KKN2 690 II

Now I'm out ;p
 
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Still looks good to me. Buy it, Buy it, Buy it, Buy it...


@Damn_Smooth: Go play your newly aquired BF3. If you feel like arguing, start a new thread inviting anyone who would enjoy arguing about anything that can be imagined. I might come.
 
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Still looks good to me. Buy it, Buy it, Buy it, Buy it...


@Damn_Smooth: Go play your newly aquired BF3. If you feel like arguing, start a new thread inviting anyone who would enjoy arguing about anything that can be imagined. I might come.
I haven't got BF3 yet or I probably wouldn't be here. What exactly do you feel like arguing about?