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Should I Build an AM3+ or FM2+ Machine?


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#1
New build sheet- Aircooled (Not fond of Self contained waterloops)

AsRock 990FX Extreme 9 or A88X Killer, Extreme 6

Vishera 4350/8000/9000 or Richland 6800K or Kaveri 7950K

Enermax PSU -800-1500 Watt

280X or 290X After Market

16 GB Memory- GSkill, Geil, Team (tighest Timings, voltage, Clocks- Yes Latency still has a play in overall performance)

Win 7 Professional 64 (not into 8 till they fix Metrosexual)

Zalman CNPS11X or Silverstone HE01 (prefer my ram-slots free of being obstructed (less there is better coolers that dont block ram slots)

Recommend a Thermal Compound ( produces best heat transfer)

Aerocool Xpredator Avenger SuperTower, Rosewill Thor V2, CM HAF932 Advanced (Prefer Big Cases- I keep them around longer than any other part in machine)

need recommendation on a quick SSD and HDD.

Need recommendation on a Blueray Player and also Blueray Burner.

I probably wont dabble in overclocking till I break in the parts,
 
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#2
New build sheet- Aircooled (Not fond of Self contained waterloops)
AsRock 990FX Extreme 9 or A88X Killer, Extreme 6 - extreme 9

Vishera 4350/8000/9000 or Richland 6800K or Kaveri 7950K - Id go FX 8350 and i did , good chip at the price and despite many a grumble very capable

Enermax PSU -800-1500 Watt - whats not to like here id consider what the future holds re xfire or not though 800 if not

280X or 290X After Market - 280X are way to dear for what it is now a days i got mine for 239 now its 329?? so Id suggest R9290 non X as the X is scarce and scarcely worth it

16 GB Memory- GSkill, Geil, Team (tighest Timings, voltage, Clocks- Yes Latency still has a play in overall performance) - dont go crazy here as above 1833 there are few gains to be had

Win 7 Professional 64 (not into 8 till they fix Metrosexual) - all good though 8.1 isnt so bad ish

Zalman CNPS11X or Silverstone HE01 (prefer my ram-slots free of being obstructed (less there is better coolers that dont block ram slots) - to personal a choice to suggest either plus i know nothing

Recommend a Thermal Compound ( produces best heat transfer) - artic silver all the way ,cheap and works well

Aerocool Xpredator Avenger SuperTower, Rosewill Thor V2, CM HAF932 Advanced (Prefer Big Cases- I keep them around longer than any other part in machine) - to personal a choice to suggest either

need recommendation on a quick SSD and HDD. - samsung 250ish Evo the dogs balls for the money

just my two pence, now roll on the intel trollin ;)
 

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#3
thanks for the reply, lol any other takes on this, if its AM3+ there is only the extreme 9 unless if the Killer Board is better overall (doubt it- Ex 9 has 12 Phase, Ki10 has 10
 
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#4
...now roll on the intel trollin ;)
My 3930K alone probably cost more than the cpu, mobo and memory in this feeble build... ;)

But seriously, unless you're being weird and stupid, any reasonable multi core modern cpu is fine for gaming. Doesn't matter if it's AMD or Intel. The fps differences will be negligible. For gaming it's the gfx card on it's own almost, unless you pair a £50 cpu with a blazingly fast monster 4-6GB memory bandwidth beast.
 

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#5
lol void, Yeah I have been out of the build game for awhile and about time some stuff Im interested in finally appears, Probably definitely 4 GB on the card, reason I looked at the 4350 is because of it being in the same pool as the 6300, 8300 and Up, anything less than 4350 is wasteful- (4300 doesnt have the same setup as the 6300 or 8300 as of cache sizes)
 
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#6
edit for the rest of the build i can't speak since i went from AMD to Intel with my last build (and yes my build would also be cheaper than the54thvoid cpu or even of your build):roll:

nope i'm not trolling, im also happy to see people choose AMD :clap:


the HR-02 Macho from thermalright doesn't block the ram slot and its a pretty decent cooler and cheaper than most other alternative


the size should not be a problem since you aim for a big tower and you wrote about the SST HE-01 Heligon
 

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#7
thanks for the reply, lol any other takes on this, if its AM3+ there is only the extreme 9 unless if the Killer Board is better overall (doubt it- Ex 9 has 12 Phase, Ki10 has 10
You may be better off with an Asus Sabertooth (R 2.0 NOT 3.0) rather than those Asrock's. iirc there are quite a few Extreme 9 owners disappointed with their boards and an FX-8350 would be the CPU to go for.

Regarding cases- I like the Fractal XL models (Define and Arc) for large cases. Cases I would like to look into further would be the HAF XM or the the Raidmax Vampire :)

Cooler- Xigmatek Dark Knight Nighthawk Edition w/duals fans. Great performance, doesn't block ram slots, and looks awesome ;)
 

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reason i looked those 2 up is because they get great performance on 2011, 1150 atleast at vortez.net but ill look into what you suggested norton-

Greiver Thanks for more info,

by the way norton ive had the worst of luck with any asus product- whether motherboard, router, sound, laptop. Im not sure what it is- thats why i tend to steer clear of it but if you must insist hows the ROG 990FX or 88X
 

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I've heard better things regarding the Sabertooth 1.0 and 2.0 than the Crosshair models. My personal choice would be the Sabertooth 2.0 or a Gigabyte 990FX UD3 (not sure of reliability on GB UD5 or UD7 models?)

On Asus quality... I was concerned as well but have had no issues with the 2 Asus boards I have (M5A99X Evo and M5A97 Evo). I do know their customer support is terrible though.
 
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there is not much wrong with the crosshair mobo's but,the saber R2's do seam to clock higher easier( makes no odds to me at 5Ghz with most eco features on and v stable)

Asus's support is utter SHIT too ,yes i bigged it, that's because 8 months after buying a crosshair V non Z they effectively rolled down the shutter, no updates since then to the bios or any of the drivers bar basic feature support on win8.1 and i do mean basic as none of the add in soft(creative gamefirst etc) is supported on 8> ,I doubt the support's any better for Saber's ,,,try looking up my posts on the rog forum(universally theoneandonlymrk) for many an example of there utter shittness regarding help or queries.

hence why id still go extreme 9 or the fatality extreme mobo weva its called, Though i concede the sabertouth R2 and crosshair Z are great boards from the off.
 

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#11
i wish there was a comparison of the Zalman CNPS11X, Silverstone HE01, Thermalright HR02 Macho, Xigmatek Dark Knight 2 Nighthawk, Xigmatek Prime, prolimatech armageddon.

Same with the Comparison of the AsRock 990FX Extreme 9, 990FX Fatal1ty, Asus 990FX Saber tooth, Crosshair, Gigabyte 990FX UD5P

the customer support and sudden bios update stoppage from Asus is what was the final straw back in the day for me.

Ive had better luck with MSI, DFI, Abit, minor trouble with Gigabyte, ECS wasnt bad either, Asus was bad, AsRock Im pretty happy with but Im building a machine with a good stand stock but with room to overclock it later.

I thank everyone in here because of their sincerity and no unruliness, aka not being a troll. Y'all make it easier to be here.
 
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#12
well i had a 125w cpu (i7-920 OC @4.1 and pushed to 4.4) under the macho in single fan setup never broke past 68° full load, also used it on a X4 955 @ 4.1 the temps where quite low

hum if i regroup some data on different review (sadly only on intel chips ... pfff ) i can give you a point of view on the Macho/Heligon/cnps11X/Armageddon, i don't know of the Xigmas never seen any but i can search about


i think we have the majority here Heligon macho CNPS11X and even some extra (ohhh and a night hawk) the macho show off it seems :D at his price point he has no challenger i use it on 1230rpm (70rpm less than the max) and it's pretty much silent but i have a 77w non K cpu :)
 
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noise level doesnt bother me as fans can be easily replaced the Havik 140 dual and the HR02 Macho are the top units in that second chart
 
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Yes, I am an Intel person, but I would rather have an FX-8350 over a 6800K. I dislike the way AMD has designed the "modules" in their latest CPUs because you only get one FPU per pair of integer cores, so IMO you are getting a hyperthreaded dual core at the least with an FM2+ chip. An FX-8350 would be vastly superior because it is essentially double the computing hardware. Just my two cents.
 

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thx, by the way i thought ram was 1600, 1866, 2133, 2400, 2600, 3000, 3200MHz
 

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there is not much wrong with the crosshair mobo's but,the saber R2's do seam to clock higher easier( makes no odds to me at 5Ghz with most eco features on and v stable)
I own both a Crosshair and a Sabertooth 2.0 (in my friend's machine now, running a 6350), and the 8350 overclocked higher on the sabertooth, and literally took half as long to overclock to a stable degree. Also the sabertooth has been 100% stable no issues for 2 years now. The Crosshair currently has a broken LAN port (SOMEHOW?!) and memory just doesn't overclock past 1600mhz anymore. Forgive me, but I find the Crosshair V Formula a POS motherboard when compared to a sabertooth. I also wouldn't buy an ASRock board, as I find them incredibly cheaply made, and the VRM's don't seem to have as good cooling potential as the Asus'. Just my 2 cents.
 

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I own both a Crosshair and a Sabertooth 2.0 (in my friend's machine now, running a 6350), and the 8350 overclocked higher on the sabertooth, and literally took half as long to overclock to a stable degree. Also the sabertooth has been 100% stable no issues for 2 years now. The Crosshair currently has a broken LAN port (SOMEHOW?!) and memory just doesn't overclock past 1600mhz anymore. Forgive me, but I find the Crosshair V Formula a POS motherboard when compared to a sabertooth. I also wouldn't buy an ASRock board, as I find them incredibly cheaply made, and the VRM's don't seem to have as good cooling potential as the Asus'. Just my 2 cents.
did you happen to remove that plastic armor, ive heard it can interfere with mounting of certain heatsinks, i can always add additional heatsinks, AS5 with AS5 Epoxy 50/50 mix
 
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#19
noise level doesnt bother me as fans can be easily replaced the Havik 140 dual and the HR02 Macho are the top units in that second chart
well if noise level is not a problem do like i wanted to do if i had a 3770K instead of a E3-1275v2 ahah

buy a macho Rev.A order a supplementary set of fan clip and 2 of these beauty

and UNLEASH THE BEAST AT 2500RPM!!! :rockout:
 
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I own both a Crosshair and a Sabertooth 2.0 (in my friend's machine now, running a 6350), and the 8350 overclocked higher on the sabertooth, and literally took half as long to overclock to a stable degree. Also the sabertooth has been 100% stable no issues for 2 years now. The Crosshair currently has a broken LAN port (SOMEHOW?!) and memory just doesn't overclock past 1600mhz anymore. Forgive me, but I find the Crosshair V Formula a POS motherboard when compared to a sabertooth. I also wouldn't buy an ASRock board, as I find them incredibly cheaply made, and the VRM's don't seem to have as good cooling potential as the Asus'. Just my 2 cents.
Coon, post: 3035944, member: 104854"]I own both a Crosshair and a Sabertooth 2.0 (in my friend's machine now, running a 6350), and the 8350 overclocked higher on the sabertooth, and literally took half as long to overclock to a stable degree. Also the sabertooth has been 100% stable no issues for 2 years now. The Crosshair currently has a broken LAN port (SOMEHOW?!) and memory just doesn't overclock past 1600mhz anymore. Forgive me, but I find the Crosshair V Formula a POS motherboard when compared to a sabertooth. I also wouldn't buy an ASRock board, as I find them incredibly cheaply made, and the VRM's don't seem to have as good cooling potential as the Asus'. Just my 2 cents.[/quote]

Pos , I think I disagree since not everyone is trying to smash Pi record's but weva and asrock are not that bad these days, np we dissagree is all
 

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d1nky im not in the UK im in the US, by the way those 2 fans I see- probably would make a difference on a slimmer cooler than the HR02 or HE01 for space constraints
 
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d1nky im not in the UK im in the US, by the way those 2 fans I see- probably would make a difference on a slimmer cooler than the HR02 or HE01 for space constraints
they are meant for the Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme which is about the same kind of the Heligon (HE01) but i think it would make a difference as i allready tried some 2.5k rpm 140mm fan on the macho o_O really ... the noise you hear in the youtube video is nothing compared to a SST FHP141 140mmx38mm 2500rpm (which is funny but they are the fan of the Heligon)

on a i7-920 at 4.4ghz it was pretty impressive but ... hell of noise if you consider a full session on Linpack and never above 52° instead of 66° (Tcase 67.8° for the 920)

i need to re buy some of those :D or TY-143 and finde a cheap i7-3770K to play with :roll:
 

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did you happen to remove that plastic armor, ive heard it can interfere with mounting of certain heatsinks, i can always add additional heatsinks, AS5 with AS5 Epoxy 50/50 mix
Can't say I've ever had a problem with it. Only issues with heatsinks I've had is with the Kingston Beast memory, too damn tall for most tower coolers! Shame because the RAM is sublime.
 
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I would just recommend you to look for a FX 6300 series cpu because it hast the best bang for buck factor in the AMD FX series but if you want raw power then get the FX 9590 hope i could help a bit.
 
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