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Should I Build an AM3+ or FM2+ Machine?


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eidairaman1

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Get an 8320 unless you want to throw money away, same thing as the 8350. Mobo is more important, you want a lot of power phase. Sabertooth will be okay though. I don't think the 8350 is any better binned then the 8320 so its a waste.

Sound cards are usually a waste nowadays. I'd skip it and see if the onboard is good enough for you first before buying.

I'd get a WD Caviar black with the newer controller over a velociraptor. Better HD overall.

No complaints otherwise. Sabertooth you are paying for looks, usually they have a deluxe model asus that has same features without the cheap plastic cover. Its stil a good mobo though.
R2.0 Sabertooth doesnt have the plastic shroud, i seen a review of it pushing a 8350 to 5+GHz. Ive also learned if i Keep the HD small it reduces the amt of stuff i can lose all at once.

Also about the sound card- ive used them since I owned the SB PCI512. I have a XFi PCI but i know that cards long in the tooth now.
About Video cards- 290 or 290X- doesnt matter to me- ill be piecing the machine together.
 
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well then take a SB Z or a Recon 3D PciE instead of that 199$ semi pro PCI card ... even the 119$ EMI shielded SB Z will give good result on a surround setup and 80$ less is 80$ more you can push on something else.

i had a Aureon 5.1 PCI a Hercule Maxi Theather II a SB LIVE! and a SB audigy 2 since the Audigy 2 i never brought a dedicated card i had the VIA VT2020 X-FI licensed some ALC889 and actually the ALC898, but my next mobo might make me change mind as i wrote a bit above that post

for the gpu : good moto (since 290 and 290X are a bit too alike to have a price difference of 100$) take the one you want : that's all.
 

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im pretty sure when i make this all happen it will suit my wants pretty well, the Black widow looks very tempting because of NKRO. Once its built there will be pictures and I will put stock performance numbers up, (Ram will be tuned manually, CPU will run proper voltage) I might just go with a ref 290/X and put a custom cooler and other heatsinks on it
 
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im pretty sure when i make this all happen it will suit my wants pretty well, the Black widow looks very tempting because of NKRO. Once its built there will be pictures and I will put stock performance numbers up, (Ram will be tuned manually, CPU will run proper voltage) I might just go with a ref 290/X and put a custom cooler and other heatsinks on it
What with you getting a true sound equiped gpu I would go hdmi and forget buying a sound card as it's 7.1 surround and is looking to be quite a feature for games of tomorrow but I am mearly passing ideas around
 

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Ok Yall, CPU Choice

8300 or 8350? 8300 can only be found on ebay afaik.
 

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8350 definitely

So nice you'll buy it twice! ;)
 
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I just ordered the motherboard off of frys.com, asus sabertooth r2.0, gonna pick it up tomorrow. I heard the 8350 is better for overclockers, the 8300 is a binned 8350 that didnt make the Clock Cut, after that ill purchase the CPU, RAM, Case, Power Supply. It has been a very long time since i built a PC, its still fresh in my memory though
 
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8350 all the way, I will add that if I could I would now go for Amd own memory too because memory speeds can be quite fickle on Amd's imc at high speeds and low latency id hope that their own memory would work out simpler to use and get tje most from.
 

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Ive had good luck with GSkill Ram when set to proper speeds, I wont be overclocking the Ram Per se.

I Just got the board for 194 bux (less than Newegg, plus i dont have to wait).

I can get the 8350 at Microcenter for that price too and not have to wait (going part for part 1 pay check at a time.

I just hope this motherboard is worth the hype i hear (did research- OCd a 8350 higher than any other board)

only thing that got me is that it only has 1 PS/2 port (probably will be used for Keyboard anyway- Mechanical Keyboard- Brown Switches)
 
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I also agree 8350 all the way
 

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Ok Heres what I have So far- Asus TUF 990 FX Sabertooth R2.0- 194 at Frys (After Tax- easier than waiting for newegg)

Parts To Order Still
8350 (Definitely Microcenter)
Scythe Ashura (Macho is nice but Ashura does pound some numbers out)
2133 Gskill 16GB
Windows 7 Pro 64
Samsung 840 Pro (Screw It might aswell)
1000 Watt Enermax (whynot)
Seagate or WD HDs (not going to have 1 TB Drives Despite performance)
BluRay Drives (Burners)
Logitech 500 or Roccat Kone
MX brown Keyboard
290/290X (Advisable to get a Stock one so i can put a cooler on anyway?)

Rosewill Thor White or Aerocool Xpredator
 
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in many review the Ashura is 1° under the macho so both are in the same league and both can do pushpull but the ashura is a bit more compact :)

as for me i switched from macho to double scythe ... Grand Kama Cross for the AM2+ setup and Katana 4 for the FM2+ setup ... Scythe is gradually becoming my favorite aircooling brand :D

as for the 290/290X part, well putting a aftermarket cooler void the warranty ... and there is many good non ref 290/290X out now ... so i don't really think it is advisable
 
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Ok Heres what I have So far- Asus TUF 990 FX Sabertooth R2.0- 194 at Frys (After Tax- easier than waiting for newegg)

Parts To Order Still
8350 (Definitely Microcenter)
Scythe Ashura (Macho is nice but Ashura does pound some numbers out)
2133 Gskill 16GB
Windows 7 Pro 64
Samsung 840 Pro (Screw It might aswell)
1000 Watt Enermax (whynot)
Seagate or WD HDs (not going to have 1 TB Drives Despite performance)
BluRay Drives (Burners)
Logitech 500 or Roccat Kone
MX brown Keyboard
290/290X (Advisable to get a Stock one so i can put a cooler on anyway?)

Rosewill Thor White or Aerocool Xpredator

Dunno if you are looking to save a little money anywhere, but there was this thread for $99 FX8320. Have to pick it up in-store at Microcenter tho.
 

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Dunno if you are looking to save a little money anywhere, but there was this thread for $99 FX8320. Have to pick it up in-store at Microcenter tho.

Thats not a problem for me as im in houston. Now the 8350 i can get for less than newegg at microcenter.

Greiver- both coolers do exceptionally well about not blocking ram slots. Same with the genesis black.

MX 4 for the thermal compound.

By the way ive never had a problem withreturning stock cards aslong as the stock heatsink is attached
 
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Thats not a problem for me as im in houston. Now the 8350 i can get for less than newegg at microcenter.

Greiver- both coolers do exceptionally well about not blocking ram slots. Same with the genesis black.

MX 4 for the thermal compound.

By the way ive never had a problem withreturning stock cards aslong as the stock heatsink is attached


i know i know :D i had both and both don't hinder the RAM ... but the Ashura is more compact what i mean is :in a push pull setup the back fan will not be so close to the chassis fan (if you have one) than it would be with the macho ... ;)

also MX-4 good choice i tested AS PK-3 Chill factor and the one bundled with the Katana but the MX-4 was always above

for the RMA ... never say never ... for my R9 the RMA went smooth and fast but i had a little phone Q&A about "why the little sticker warranty void if removed was a little bit chipped of the screw of the heatsink fixation" o_O
 

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Well its settled the Ashura will be choice cooler.

the gpu i can get thermalright or arctic heatsink for when i go to buy it.
 
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Benchmark Scores bench...mark? i do leave mark on bench sometime, to remember which one is the most comfortable. :o
R9 290 Toxic is nice according to review ... otherwise hum look for the compatibility with Arctic Accelero extreme, the Accelero Hybride is lowering price where i live ... from 119chf originally to 95chf atm but it's a bit constraining due to the need of having a 120mm spot just for the radiator... and the Extreme serie does just as fine AIO for gpu, better go full custom WCL.

Thermalright gpu heatsink? did they do a new one beside the HR 03 and the Shaman?
i have a Prolimatech MK-26 at home it was awesome on a GTX580 but for my 770 it was incompatible :cry: now i have a R9 270 from MSI and the Twin Frozr IV is even above the MK26 in term of silence and take way less space ...
 

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ok cool, Ugh I seriously want the Aerocool XPredator Evil Blue Edition Case (cant find it anywhere on US sites)
 
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Thats not a problem for me as im in houston. Now the 8350 i can get for less than newegg at microcenter.

Greiver- both coolers do exceptionally well about not blocking ram slots. Same with the genesis black.

MX 4 for the thermal compound.

By the way ive never had a problem withreturning stock cards aslong as the stock heatsink is attached

You can get $40 off mobo when you buy the 8350 or 8320 @ MC. So return that mobo from frys and get it as a combo from MC.

Also they have additional $10 off 16GB crucial 1600 ram and probably another $10 off if you pick up a Samsung SSD 128 GB.
 

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I need some major Help locating this case, Aerocool XPredator Evil Blue Edition, I need it to be able to be shipped to the United states
 
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FM2+, but I have no experience with AMD hardware. But my very first computer was an AMD K6-2.
 
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he allready choose to go AM3+ and FX8350 ;) (just in case)
 
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