New GPU 5070 Ti or better CPU Ryzen7 7800X3D ?

[Hir0shi]

I wonder if I should change the 3070 Ti to a 5070 Ti now?
Or maybe it would be better to change the platform to AMD Ryzen7 7800X3D + 32GB 6000MHz CL30 + some motherboard for the price of the 5070 Ti?

I will just point out that I am currently playing at 1080p/144Hz (exchange at a later date)

It seems to me that the 5070Ti can give me (compared to the 7800X3D) a big bootleneck at 1080p?
Maybe I will achieve better results by changing the processor now and changing the graphics card later?
PS: If changing the platform would be a better idea, I'll only take the graphics card and the SSD, and give the rest to my daughter.

Current configuration:
Intel i9-10900K @5.1GHz + Fractal Design Celsius+ S36 Dynamic
ASUS ROG Maximus XII Hero (Wi-Fi) Z490
G.SKILL TridentZ RGB 32GB DDR4 @4266MHz
MSI GeForce RTX 3070Ti Gaming X TRIO 8GB GDDR6X
Fractal Design ION+ 860W 80 Plus Platinum

What do you think? I'd love to hear your ideas and appreciate any suggestions. Thanks for your time.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Personally, in your shoes, with a 10900K already tweaked out on a Maximus XII and fast DDR4? I'd buy the GPU now (especially if you can get one for a nice price, and sell your current one to make up for some of the cost) and then wait for a CPU a little bit longer. 5070 Ti will run great with that setup.

 

[AusWolf]

The 10900 isn't the newest girl in town, but isn't very ancient, either. It could still last you another generation or two, imo.

As for the graphics card, don't just impulse buy, look around first. The 5070 Ti is horribly expensive in the UK, a 9070 would be a much better deal. It depends on your area and availability, too.

 

[eidairaman1]

Don't bother upgrading the gpu from a 3070ti to a 5070ti, not worth the money.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Don't bother upgrading the gpu from a 3070ti to a 5070ti, not worth the money.

Not worth is relative, it should be a ~2x performance uplift with 2x the VRAM capacity from 3070 Ti to 5070 Ti. It's a similar upgrade from going to a RX 6800 to a 9070 XT.

 

[Outback Bronze]

I say upgrade GPU first to whatever (5070Ti) then CPU when you're ready. 9070 XT should also be looked at if the prices are acceptable.

Good luck with your decisions

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I'd upgrade the gpu. Just use DLDSR till you upgrade your platform should work well at 1080p with that gpu.

This generation of gpu is trash but if you want more gpu horsepower it is what it is.

As for the 5070ti it's fine if you can get it for less than 800 usd or whatever your countries equivalent if it's 1000 usd I'd pass for gaming unless you also do work on it the 9070XT is in the same boat if it's less than 700 sure but $800+ meh AF

If they are both terribly prices maybe a platform upgrade would make sense but I'd go 9800X3D personally there are excellent motherboards for 250-300 and good ram kits for 115 so ballpark 5070ti at it's current pricing I'd only go 7800X3D if I was saving 100-150usd.

 

[Hir0shi]

In my country, the cheapest 5070 Ti you can buy are cards like the MSI Shadow 3X OC or the Gigabyte RTX 5070 Ti Windforce SFF. Recently, the ASUS RTX 5070 Ti Prime OC appeared in this range and that's what I was thinking about - all of these cards cost at least $1,050. The rest of the better models are in the range of $1,200 and up. This is simply sick.

I realize that this latest generation of cards is not impressive at all. On the other hand, I've been playing only a few games recently and they are online titles. Honestly, even this 3070 Ti can still handle it and generates frames at the level of 80-120 in most titles. I'm an old dinosaur who likes fluidity above all else. It would be nice to get a little boost.

My reasoning was that I could get 30-40 FPS more by changing the platform itself and then wait for better times, better prices, maybe some great promotions, maybe Ti Super. I don't know. But maybe you're right, maybe my current hardware isn't that bad yet and just wait for some good price shot of a new GPU. I keep thinking.

 

[AusWolf]

In my country, the cheapest 5070 Ti you can buy are cards like the MSI Shadow 3X OC or the Gigabyte RTX 5070 Ti Windforce SFF. Recently, the ASUS RTX 5070 Ti Prime OC appeared in this range and that's what I was thinking about - all of these cards cost at least $1,050. The rest of the better models are in the range of $1,200 and up. This is simply sick.

That's sick and wrong. Try to look for a 9070, those are the only reasonably priced cards in the UK currently. I could also say 5070 non-Ti, but 12 GB for so much money is a bit meh.

 

[dark_globe]

I realize that this latest generation of cards is not impressive at all. On the other hand, I've been playing only a few games recently and they are online titles. Honestly, even this 3070 Ti can still handle it and generates frames at the level of 80-120 in most titles. I'm an old dinosaur who likes fluidity above all else. It would be nice to get a little boost.

My reasoning was that I could get 30-40 FPS more by changing the platform itself and then wait for better times, better prices, maybe some great promotions, maybe Ti Super. I don't know. But maybe you're right, maybe my current hardware isn't that bad yet and just wait for some good price shot of a new GPU. I keep thinking.

it depends on which titles you play the most .
some online games like cs2 for example are very cpu sensitive and your 1% lows would improve a lot with modern cpus with better single core performance .
even a 200 € chip like ryzen 9600x would be much better for modern gaming compared to 4-5 generations old i9 .


that being said i do agree with majority here and you should probably upgrade your video card first
that old i9 still has something left in the tank
5070Ti does not have twice the performance compared to 3070Ti though (in rasterization)
but it has newer version of DLSS and twice the VRAM (which is the biggest problem for 3070Ti in some games)
9070 are usually a better deal in most countries though .
(oddly enough not so much here in slovakia - i can find rtx 5070 for 640 € and 5070Ti for 965 € at respectable vendors)
while the 9070 starts at 730 € and 9070xt at 830 € .

all things considered 9070xt should be the best deal overall .

 

[Frizz]

Honestly its like the worst time to upgrade right now especially since youre happily gaming at 1080p, would suggest to keep things as is and upgrade the entire setup including monitor a bit later in the year as a tonne of newer hardware is coming soon and there will be less demand for the current components which will save you more money.

 

[Dr. Dro]

5070Ti does not have twice the performance compared to 3070Ti though (in rasterization)

Even at 1080p it's close to 2x

 

[Scattergrunt]

10900K is still fine enough, but immediately after your GPU upgrade I would recommend upgrading the platform to something else. 9070 / 9070XT or 5070Ti are good choices, lean towards 9070XT If you care less about RT & need it cheaper (though its still pretty good RT wise, comparable to a 3090Ti / 4070TiS), 5070Ti if you need CUDA for workstation purposes, such as Photoshop.

 

[Rabit]

Better wait due some RTX 5070 have hidden hotspot 107C on back of PCB safe limit is 80C

more info

Parts of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50 Series GPU PCB Reach Over 100°C: Report

Igor's Lab has run independent testing and thermal analysis of NVIDIA's latest GeForce RTX 50-series graphics cards, including the add-in card partner design RTX 5080, 5070 Ti, and 5060 Ti, which are now attracting attention for surprising thermal "hotspots" on the back of their PCBs. These...

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[tommesfps]

May I ask if you have considered to upgrade the display first, to an OLED display?

 

[Dr. Dro]

Better wait due some RTX 5070 have hidden hotspot 107C on back of PCB safe limit is 80C

more info

Parts of NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50 Series GPU PCB Reach Over 100°C: Report

Igor's Lab has run independent testing and thermal analysis of NVIDIA's latest GeForce RTX 50-series graphics cards, including the add-in card partner design RTX 5080, 5070 Ti, and 5060 Ti, which are now attracting attention for surprising thermal "hotspots" on the back of their PCBs. These...

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I deeply respect Igor and appreciate his work immensely, however, this is a complete non-issue. VRMs get hot because the cards use way too much power. It's inevitable. Most VRMs are designed for a lifetime of operation at the 125 degrees C range. It's not going to kill or damage any cards, even with prolonged use. Worst case scenario, if you're worried, put a fan on top of it. It's always the solution

 

[Rabit]

I deeply respect Igor and appreciate his work immensely, however, this is a complete non-issue. VRMs get hot because the cards use way too much power. It's inevitable. Most VRMs are designed for a lifetime of operation at the 125 degrees C range. It's not going to kill or damage any cards, even with prolonged use. Worst case scenario, if you're worried, put a fan on top of it. It's always the solution

But at this temps capacitors lifespan shrink to 5000h, also he mention that PCB vias can fail due thermal cycling at this temps.

 

[Zach_01]

Upgrading the CPU will "only" upgrade performance up to +30~40% (at 1080p) and this is going for the highest SKU.
Upgrading the GPU can potentially upgrade perf to up to x2 (like a 5080).

Vote for GPU upgrade
What GPU?
That is for the OP to decide comparing performance and prices from local market.

 

[Vayra86]

Definitely GPU first though you might question if now is the time. Availability is shite, prices are high, and there are bound to be SUPERs getting released. Plus, when the stacks are filled up for both Nv and AMD, availability is going to be better.

Wait. You can wait, so wait.

 

[Dr. Dro]

But at this temps capacitors lifespan shrink to 5000h, also he mention that PCB vias can fail due thermal cycling at this temps.

I am honestly not worried, I've run a G41/socket 775 el cheapo motherboard that had like a puny 3 phase VRM and no heatsink at all for upwards of a decade, it chewed through 4 CPUs that failed before the board did. Seems a bit sensationalist to me.

 

[docnorth]

Like other members already pointed out, the GPU upgrade seems preferable. The choice depends on availability and your wallet, e.g. right now in my country 5070 non-ti has the best vfm, 9070 and 9070 xt are more or less the same and 5070 ti has the worst vfm. A good quality GPU like yours could also affect the price.

 

[AusWolf]

Like other members already pointed out, the GPU upgrade seems preferable. The choice depends on availability and your wallet, e.g. right now in my country 5070 non-ti has the best vfm, 9070 and 9070 xt are more or less the same and 5070 ti has the worst vfm. A good quality GPU like yours could also affect the price.

I agree. The 5070 Ti should be avoided unless one finds one close to 9070 XT price, which is doubtful. The 9070 (non-XT) and 5070 (non-Ti) are the only things worth considering from this gen so far.

 

[Scattergrunt]

I agree. The 5070 Ti should be avoided unless one finds one close to 9070 XT price, which is doubtful. The 9070 (non-XT) and 5070 (non-Ti) are the only things worth considering from this gen so far.

In this particular situation, I'd agree. But in any other situation.. oh boy, I have had things to say about the 5070. Not worth getting into in a thread about someone asking for upgrade opinions though.

 

[AusWolf]

In this particular situation, I'd agree. But in any other situation.. oh boy, I have had things to say about the 5070. Not worth getting into in a thread about someone asking for upgrade opinions though.

Sure. I'm not a fan of 12 GB cards at $4-500. At all. I said what I said only because the market is in shambles. I'd still rather look for a 9070, as the only really good card this gen.

By the way, this discussion is highly relevant to one's upgrade options.

 

[Scattergrunt]

Sure. I'm not a fan of 12 GB cards at $4-500. At all. I said what I said only because the market is in shambles. I'd still rather look for a 9070, as the only really good card this gen.

I'm fine with that price point if the performance uplift is at least good, because 12GB is still fine enough for 1440p, more than enough for 1080p which is what OP currently has (atleast in my opinion), but the 5070 Is extremely disappointing. Marginally better than the 4070S.. again, considering what OP is upgrading from, 9070 and 5070 are fine choices either-way. (Though I lean towards the 9070, because its also a better card for raster slightly, and has good RT. And for the resolutions OP is playing at, the RT performance differences between the two cards is pretty minimal.)

By the way, this discussion is highly relevant to one's upgrade options.

Most of my problems with the 5070 are just not relevant in this context, and would derail the thread