New ram not the same type, how to use DRAM Calculator for Ryzen ?

[gasolin]

tried 3400 wouldn't boot, 3300 it would boot but was unstable

My cpu was unstable, had to raise vcore for my cpu and spend som time trying to figure out how much it needs + changing speed on my ram

 

[VuurVOS]

You can't get odd numbers without turning off power down disable and it's mate in the list, can't recall it's name, gear down disabled I think.

Thank you for noticing I forgot to meantion Gear Down should be disabled.
Without Gear Down disable it should still boot but timing values would be rounded up. In his case it would be 14-18-18-18-34-54

Ryzen calc hasn't been setup for non linear memory kit's, it expects you to have bought a quad stick kit not as hoced two dual Pack's as I and some do, you can't expect the settings to pan out, try auto more.

Ryzen calculator is just for some guide lines but even those values are not 100% guaranteed stable. Same when the memory is getting overclocked with auto values. Those values are also not 100% guaranteed stable.

 

[gasolin]

My 3200mhz cl 14 was stable but only 2 ram sticks, 4 sticks wouldn't boote even when both pairs can do 3200mhz cl 14

i guess it's because one is samsung and the other memory is hynix

 

[VuurVOS]

My 3200mhz cl 14 was stable but only 2 ram sticks, 4 sticks wouldn't boote even when both pairs can do 3200mhz cl 14

i guess it's because one is samsung and the other memory is hynix

More memory means also more load for the memory controller.

With my previous Ryzen 1600x I could do 3466MHz CL14 with two Samsung B-Die dimms which are rated for 3600MHz CL17. With four of those dimms I was even unable to reach 3466MHz CL14 at all. Highest I could get was about 3133MHz CL14 which was also unstable. With upgrading to a Ryzen 3000 serie the memory controller wasn't the bottleneck anymore.
In your case the memory controller should be able to reach 3600MHz but with this mix of memory it is (very) hard.

Something you could try is to put the modules in different banks. For example Hynix in DIMMA1 & DIMMA2 and Samsung in DIMMB1 & DIMMB2.

 

[gasolin]

For now my ram runs 3200 mhz cl 16 not perfect since they can run 32000mhz cl 14 both pair but not together.

My cpu passed 3300x at 4.5 ghz at 1.2875 or 1.2750 voltage llc 2 (1 or 2 x under 1.300volt) and ram 3200mhz cl 16 which is stable in ibt very high, cpu runs prime 95 small fft with no problem (had one workers, tread or core, stopped working do to not enough vcore, is stable atm), temps on my cpu if i have a door open under 70c with my door (balcony) closed 73 c with my scythe fuma 2 running at 900 rpm

 

[VuurVOS]

You can try to lower the tRFC to get more preformance. I suggest the following tRFC values for 3200MHz:
tRFC = 480
tRFC2 = 357
tRFC4 = 219

If it works you can also try to change tCKE from 8 to 1

 

[gasolin]

You can try to lower the tRFC to get more preformance. I suggest the following tRFC values for 3200MHz:
tRFC = 480
tRFC2 = 357
tRFC4 = 219

If it works you can also try to change tCKE from 8 to 1

I will try that later

I will try that later

it woulddn't boote cpu bug led (i want to keep it at 4.5ghz) had to clear cmos and going back to #30 settings

 

[gasolin]

Now im on 3200mhz cl 14 ram (16gb), it's not what i expected

Ram timings did only a little in the aida64 cache and memory benchmark, ram speed did a little more, most i did see was in the passmark test

but around 400 ponits or from around 87 to 93 % faster than all other ram,memorys

I didn't notice anything in games are my fps in games already at it's limited ?

vengance 3000mhz cl 15

Flare x 3200 mhz cl 14

Flare x 3200mhx cl running 3466mhz cl 14

 

[VuurVOS]

Why didn't you try to run 3600/3733 at CL16? Can you make a screenshot of ZenTimings?

 

[gasolin]

Why didn't you try to run 3600/3733 at CL16? Can you make a screenshot of ZenTimings?

Where did i mention that im trying to run my ram at 3600/3733mhz ?

Sweetspot for ryzen is 3600/3733 mhz

I have tried to run my ram at 3600mhz but no matter what ram i use i can't get it to run at 3600mhz (mb rated at 3466mhz)

Every time i tried to look for mb compatibility with 3600mhz crucial balistix it wasn't compatible

I think my cpu/mb limited is 3466mhz

 

[Zach_01]

Where did i mention that im trying to run my ram at 3600/3733mhz ?

Sweetspot for ryzen is 3600/3733 mhz

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I have tried to run my ram at 3600mhz but no matter what ram i use i can't get it to run at 3600mhz (mb rated at 3466mhz)

Every time i tried to look for mb compatibility with 3600mhz crucial balistix it wasn't compatible

I think my cpu/mb limited is 3466mhz

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I don’t think that a CPU or a board is limited to use only 3466. ZEN2 and X470 can do a lot better.

Did you import DRAM XMP (each set of sticks separately) to DRAMcalculator using Thaiphoon burner?

Did you set DRAMcalc correctly? Type of CPU and chipset, type of sticks(ICs and PCB)

 

[gasolin]

Rated at no higher than 3466mhz but could be that they haven't updated it

AMD Ryzen 3 3300X @ 4498.95 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

[f7l1s8] Validated Dump by DESKTOP-NEPLQTO (2020-10-23 11:59:15) - MB: MSI X470 GAMING PRO MAX (MS-7B79) - RAM: 16384 MB

valid.x86.fr

 

[VuurVOS]

You checked the wrong motherboard. You have a MSI X470 Gaming PRO MAX, its rated for 4133 Mhz (https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X470-GAMING-PRO-MAX/Specification)

The Trident Z b-die kit I use (3600CL17) is lesser binned then your Flare X b-die kit (3200CL14). Please check mine configuration it should work.
Dont use RttNOM, RttWR, RttPark values since they are required when using 4 DIMMS.

 

[gasolin]

f...... yes i do but i only have a ryzen 3

You checked the wrong motherboard. You have a MSI X470 Gaming PRO MAX, its rated for 4133 Mhz (https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X470-GAMING-PRO-MAX/Specification)

The Trident Z b-die kit I use (3600CL17) is lesser binned then your Flare X b-die kit (3200CL14). Please check mine configuration it should work.
Dont use RttNOM, RttWR, RttPark values since they are required when using 4 DIMMS.

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They can't run 3600 mhz cl 14 ? (my ram)

 

[VuurVOS]

They can't run 3600 mhz cl 14 ? (my ram)

3200CL14 (8,89ns) has the same true latency as 3600CL16 (8,89ns), this works out of the box with the same voltage (1.35v).

When doing 3600CL14 the true latency will become 7,78ns which is a lot lower and will require more voltage. B-die kits rated for 3600CL14 needs 1.45 volt.

 

[gasolin]

 

[VuurVOS]

You can try 3733 CL16 with tRFC/tRFC2/tRFC4 on 332 and see if it works?

 

[gasolin]

You can try 3733 CL16 with tRFC/tRFC2/tRFC4 on 332 and see if it works?

I don't need to, i think my pc in gaming was already maxed out at 3466mhz cl 14

 

[VuurVOS]

3466 CL14 has a slight higher latency and less memory bandwidth according your own benchmarks.
I would keep 3600 CL16 or even try 3733 CL16 to get even more out of the memory without cranking up the voltage