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@all Please do not recommend him to Overvolt or Overclock his 5800X3D. Because it is simply not supported on this chip, even if the settings were not hidden/disabled in the UEFI, it will do nothing at best!

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Core Voltage below 1 Volt!
Its gotta be the mb firmware the culprit.
I'll le edit this post in about 15 minutes, with a CB run by my rig, with CORE voltage of 1V, it'll score similar to yours.
Go manual , 1.2V to start, see if mb overvolts past the setting , then adjust accordingly for a result of 1.25Vcore. More than 1.25V high risk of degradation and or damage.
Even your score seems low
 
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Over the past couple of days, I've been having the same issue with an R5 3600. TL;DR - I had manually set the Vcore to 1.3V, just below Auto which is about 1.3125V, probably motivated by recently reading a post about undervolting being the new overclocking. With a 5600X in my main system doing 4650 all core all day, on its own with PBO, I tend to agree. So I thought I would experiment with the R5 3600, and in doing so I killed off ~15% of its performance. Here it's back to Auto Vcore. Note the undervolted performance is basically equal to R5 2600 4.1GHz @ 1.275V
 

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Right now I am at work, so when I get home I will monitor HWInfo values. Thnx.
This is a known problem - you may need a clean install (or at least an upgrade install) to fix the performance issues
 

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It's so weird because when I ran R23 I had multiple background apps running plus 100 tabs of chrome and still scored 15K
 
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Not a 5800X3D, but here's my 5800X for reference.



I have a Noctua NH-U14S on it, and it peaked at 78C. I have it tuned more for single-threaded performance and "lower" temps.

I'm running a pretty old BIOS, though; version 4002 for my ASUS TUF mobo. It's from June 2021 and its AGESA version is 1.2.0.3A.
 
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@all Please do not recommend him to Overvolt or Overclock his 5800X3D. Because it is simply not supported on this chip, even if the settings were not hidden/disabled in the UEFI, it will do nothing at best!

This is the Statement from the Techpowerup review:
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I will not overclock or underclock this CPU. My only goal is to get the thermals under control so the CPU can perform at it's fullest.

This is a known problem - you may need a clean install (or at least an upgrade install) to fix the performance issues
What I've done so far is uninstall and re-install the latest AMD chipset drivers, switch to the Windows Balanced power plan. Later today I will re-install the latest MSI BIOS, repaste the CPU and re-seat the CPU cooler. If that doesn't fix it, then I might consider a clean Windows 11 install or just wait for MSI to release the 1.2.0.7 BIOS (whenever that is)
 
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Update: Enabled PBO in BIOS. Cinebench R23 multicore result still 11,198. Attached are screen caps of HWinfo64 during AIDA64 stress test and CInebench R23 run. Something seems really off.
Package power of 65W max, is eco mode active? That could explain a lot...
 
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Package power of 65W max, is eco mode active? That could explain a lot...
As explained in one of my follow up comments to that, the low scores were caused due to the AMD power plans. Once I switched to the Windows Balanced power plan, the Cinebench R23 scores reached 14,000+.
 
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As explained in one of my follow up comments to that, the low scores were caused due to the AMD power plans. Once I switched to the Windows Balanced power plan, the Cinebench R23 scores reached 14,000+.
Missed that one, sorry. Apparently the powerplan set 65W limit, interesting.
 
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I cleared the CMOS, repasted the CPU with ARCTIC MX-4 and re-seated the CPU cooler. Then enabled PBO on BIOS and XMP. Enabled the Windows Balanced profile and ran Cinebench R23. While the score was decent at 14,205 the CPU reached 90 degrees Celsius again. I've posted a picture of the CPU voltage values from the BIOS. Maybe something is off.
 

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I cleared the CMOS, repasted the CPU with ARCTIC MX-4 and re-seated the CPU cooler. Then enabled PBO on BIOS and XMP. Enabled the Windows Balanced profile and ran Cinebench R23. While the score was decent at 14,205 the CPU reached 90 degrees Celsius again. I've posted a picture of the CPU voltage values from the BIOS. Maybe something is off.
temps seem right. As PBO on auto pumps a lot of voltage through the CPU. Even with my AIO I hit 90*C running R23 but I did hit a higher score as well I believe it allowed PBO to boost higher
 
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temps seem right. As PBO on auto pumps a lot of voltage through the CPU. Even with my AIO I hit 90*C running R23 but I did hit a higher score as well I believe it allowed PBO to boost higher
What do you think about the CPU voltages?
 
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I will not overclock or underclock this CPU. My only goal is to get the thermals under control so the CPU can perform at it's fullest.


What I've done so far is uninstall and re-install the latest AMD chipset drivers, switch to the Windows Balanced power plan. Later today I will re-install the latest MSI BIOS, repaste the CPU and re-seat the CPU cooler. If that doesn't fix it, then I might consider a clean Windows 11 install or just wait for MSI to release the 1.2.0.7 BIOS (whenever that is)
I had same issue with my 5900x when I upgraded from 2700x, was getting 90 fps and low benchmark scores in games I used to be able to play better on a 2700x lol. what fully fixed these issues for me was clean installing windows. might want to give it a try.
 

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I had same issue with my 5900x when I upgraded from 2700x, was getting 90 fps and low benchmark scores in games I used to be able to play better on a 2700x lol. what fully fixed these issues for me was clean installing windows. might want to give it a try.
He corrected the problem with the windows power plans. He had Ryzen power plans previously that were made for Zen & Zen+ only and bugged the os behaviour.
 
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I had same issue with my 5900x when I upgraded from 2700x, was getting 90 fps and low benchmark scores in games I used to be able to play better on a 2700x lol. what fully fixed these issues for me was clean installing windows. might want to give it a try.
I've contacted MSI and they advised me to wait for the 1.2.0.7 BIOS. If that doesn't make a difference then maybe I'll have to do a clean install of windows.
 
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I've contacted MSI and they advised me to wait for the 1.2.0.7 BIOS. If that doesn't make a difference then maybe I'll have to do a clean install of windows.
unless you have terrible wifi, you should probably fresh install windows when getting new parts anyways.
 
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unless you have terrible wifi, you should probably fresh install windows when getting new parts anyways.
I usually do a fresh install only after a full system upgrade i.e. replacing the motherboard and CPU. For single component upgrades such as RAM, and CPU (usually chipset driver is enough) I usually don't. And for GPU upgrades DDU is usually more than enough.

I see, further down.

Still, you don't use an AIO, and it's just a 0rpm PUMP header down there. Is it spinning and just the MSI bug, or...? I'm assuming that's the second fan on your U12S.
It's the motherboard fan. I figured it out a while ago using the software Fancontrol. The rpm value corresponds exactly as I ramp up the fan.

Unless you use your PC for production workloads, you should be fine with your current cooler. Games and most apps can't take advantage of all the threads, and they load the CPU in a different way than content creation software. Hopefully you won't see these high temps often.
When gaming the CPU and GPU reach max 78 degrees Celsius. No stutters observed.
 
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For anyone interested, MSI released their AGESA 1.2.0.7 beta BIOS for my MOBO, the MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI. I flashed it and immediately noticed PBO is missing. In Windows, with Balanced profile my Cinebench R23 scores have dropped to an avg of 13,800. No changes in cooling behavior as CPU temps still reach 90 degrees Celsius.
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Try running 3dmark
Here you go. This score is after applying the Windows Balanced Power profile, on AGESA BIOS 1.2.0.7 beta.
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For anyone interested, MSI released their AGESA 1.2.0.7 beta BIOS for my MOBO, the MSI MAG X570 TOMAHAWK WIFI. I flashed it and immediately noticed PBO is missing. In Windows, with Balanced profile my Cinebench R23 scores have dropped to an avg of 13,800. No changes in cooling behavior as CPU temps still reach 90 degrees Celsius.
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Thanks for sharing your findings! I will put off updating my BIOS for now :oops:
 
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Had set 44.5 multi in bios , thus trading that 100MHz extra it can reach on auto in single thread to 4.55GHz. Changed bios since and may do a retest after I get rid of some WHEA's poping up at the moment..
 

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The 5800X3D does not support core overclocking, curve optimizer or PBO adjustment, so it being gone when this specific processor is installed is normal. Zen 3 as a whole also does not use or support the specific "AMD Ryzen optimized" power plans, these apply exclusively for Zen 2. The official guidance is to use "Balanced" plan on Windows and let the processor regulate itself. At 90 one is certainly experiencing throttling, the load temps should be kept below 80 if you want the processor to run at the highest clock averages possible, so consider investing in some cooling. Cheers :toast:
 
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The 5800X3D does not support core overclocking, curve optimizer or PBO adjustment, so it being gone when this specific processor is installed is normal. Zen 3 as a whole also does not use or support the specific "AMD Ryzen optimized" power plans, these apply exclusively for Zen 2. The official guidance is to use "Balanced" plan on Windows and let the processor regulate itself. At 90 one is certainly experiencing throttling, the load temps should be kept below 80 if you want the processor to run at the highest clock averages possible, so consider investing in some cooling. Cheers :toast:
Yes performance improved much when I changed to the Windows Balanced power profile. The CPU only reaches 90 degrees Celsius during benchmark tests such as Cinebench R23. During gaming and other heavy tasks it never exceeds 80 degrees Celsius. In regards to investing in some better cooling, I am still contemplating whether to upgrade from my current setup, a dual fan Noctua NH-U12S, to a dual fan Thermalright FC140 Black (as recommended by another forum member).
 

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FC140 is the best air cooler I have used.. it’s great for zen 3.
 
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