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FC140 is the best air cooler I have used.. it’s great for zen 3.
Glad to hear that. In my case though I am wondering whether it can give me improved results, i.e CPU temperatures under 85 degrees Celsius under heavy loads such as benchmarking. I think the 5800X3D is inherently hotter than the rest of the Zen3 lineup.
 

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Glad to hear that. In my case though I am wondering whether it can give me improved results, i.e CPU temperatures under 85 degrees Celsius under heavy loads such as benchmarking. I think the 5800X3D is inherently hotter than the rest of the Zen3 lineup.
Let those 8mm pipes do their magic :)

My 5900X is boosting to 5150 with it, she absorbs all 235w that my cpu puts out.
 
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Let those 8mm pipes do their magic :)

My 5900X is boosting to 5150 with it, she absorbs all 235w that my cpu puts out.

You should consider a career in sales. :shadedshu:

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Unf for me I only found it in stock on Amazon.com, but I am in the EU. I can pay the standard shipping of 24 USD (+import taxes) and receive it in 1 month or pay 46 USD to get it here within 2 weeks...

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Two questions to OP:
- what is your use case for 5800X3D?
- what are your temps during actual use case?
 
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Two questions to OP:
- what is your use case for 5800X3D?
- what are your temps during actual use case?
To be honest my current cooler is fine for what I use my home PC for:

1) Running some Linux VMs
2) Daily activities such as MS Office tasks and web browsing, watching video tutorials (IT or photography related), YouTube videos etc.
3) Playing single player FPS, Action, isometric RPG and adventure games (though since I had kids I have less and less time to play )

When playing games the CPU doesn't exceed 80-83 degrees Celsius, but the fans noise is a bit annoying.
 
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Are you also ramping case fans with CPU temperature?
 
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Are you also ramping case fans with CPU temperature?
Yes I've set up custom graph profiles in the MSI BIOS for each fan. I've tried FanControl as well, with similar results. E.g CPU Temp graph from FanControl :
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Yes I've set up custom graph profiles in the MSI BIOS for each fan. I've tried FanControl as well, with similar results. E.g CPU Temp graph from FanControl :
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So either way if you want best temps on air you're stuck with NH-D15 because you're in EU (which puts you at around €105).
 
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So either way if you want best temps on air you're stuck with NH-D15 because you're in EU (which puts you at around €105).
Unf it doesn't have enough clearance for my RAM:
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I recently upgraded to the 5800X3D, and based on my experience I strongly recommend you give "PBO2 Tuner" a try. This is a neat little freeware app that allows you to apply negative Curve Optimizer (CO) settings to the CPU.

In my case, and as also documented by someone else here -- https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/uigbv7 -- applying negative CO settings significantly reduced temps while also slightly improving performance on Cinebench 23. I suggest you start with -30 on every core, then test (OCCT is great for this) and reduce the negative numbers for any cores that throw errors. I wound up with -30 on 5 of the 8 cores, -20 on my two best cores (per Ryzen Master) and -25 on one other core.

I'm using a good 240 AIO, but my CPU temperature would still shoot right up to 83C while running CB23 multicore. After the PBO2 Tuner adjustment, it maxes out at 78C while delivering a score of 14,8XX vs 14,6XX previously. Max VCORE during the test is about 1.17V instead of 1.26V. More importantly, when running MSFS 2020 at 1440P UW (3840x1600) on high/ultra settings for extended periods, my CPU settles in the mid 70s instead of low 80s, with similarly reduced CPU voltage and no reduction in FPS.

Please note: The only downside here is that you'll need to redo the PBO2 Tuner settings every time the PC restarts or wakes from sleep. Minor PITA but worth it for now. Eventually I'm sure there will be a BIOS update that allows negative (and only negative) curve optimization or at least some form of undervolting. I was hoping MSI's AGESA1.2.0.7 might offer this, but I guess it doesn't.... so I'm sticking with 1.2.0.6c for now.
 
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I recently upgraded to the 5800X3D, and based on my experience I strongly recommend you give "PBO2 Tuner" a try. This is a neat little freeware app that allows you to apply negative Curve Optimizer (CO) settings to the CPU.

In my case, and as also documented by someone else here -- https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/uigbv7 -- applying negative CO settings significantly reduced temps while also slightly improving performance on Cinebench 23. I suggest you start with -30 on every core, then test (OCCT is great for this) and reduce the negative numbers for any cores that throw errors. I wound up with -30 on 5 of the 8 cores, -20 on my two best cores (per Ryzen Master) and -25 on one other core.

I'm using a good 240 AIO, but my CPU temperature would still shoot right up to 83C while running CB23 multicore. After the PBO2 Tuner adjustment, it maxes out at 78C while delivering a score of 14,8XX vs 14,6XX previously. Max VCORE during the test is about 1.17V instead of 1.26V. More importantly, when running MSFS 2020 at 1440P UW (3840x1600) on high/ultra settings for extended periods, my CPU settles in the mid 70s instead of low 80s, with similarly reduced CPU voltage and no reduction in FPS.

Please note: The only downside here is that you'll need to redo the PBO2 Tuner settings every time the PC restarts or wakes from sleep. Minor PITA but worth it for now. Eventually I'm sure there will be a BIOS update that allows negative (and only negative) curve optimization or at least some form of undervolting. I was hoping MSI's AGESA1.2.0.7 might offer this, but I guess it doesn't.... so I'm sticking with 1.2.0.6c for now.
I appreciate the advice, but I don't feel comfortable messing with this CPU yet. Maybe in a few months. For now I will find a way to improve the cooling situation. Thank you though.

Thanks for sharing your findings! I will put off updating my BIOS for now :oops:
Regarding the lack of PBO in AGESA 1.2.0.7 beta, I've contacted MSI support and they mentioned that there are no plans to add PBO back:
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Thanks for that info re: BIOS plans, or lack of same. Odd that they would offer BLCK overclocking, with all its attendant risks, yet remove all ability to lower CPU voltage. Oh well...
 
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According to another user they lowered all core boost clocks for the 5800X3D in the 1.2.0.7 beta. That should also mean lower temperatures in multithreaded loads. What cooler did you end up ordering?
 
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According to another user they lowered all core boost clocks for the 5800X3D in the 1.2.0.7 beta. That should also mean lower temperatures in multithreaded loads. What cooler did you end up ordering?
Thermalright Frost Commander 140 BLACK (thanks to @freeagent). Confirmed with the manufacturer that it will fit. Temps didn't change, i.e 90 degrees during Cinebench R23.
 
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Interesting to review other users' HWiNFO64 data, so I'm posting mine as well. Of note are the CPU voltages and temps compared to stock, and I attribute these differences to the negative Curve Optimization achieved with the PBO2 Tuner app. FWIW I also lowered my power limits in BIOS by about 10%: PPT 128, TDC 86 and EDC 126, but these changes had no noticeable performance impact.

The CB23 screenshot is a typical single run with a few background apps running, and the HWiFO 64 shot is after 5 minutes of back-to-back runs. Am quite happy with the way this chip is performing now... just wish I could make these adjustments in BIOS vs an app that needs to reset every time PC wakes from sleep.
 

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He just did……two posts up :cool:
 
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He hasn't received the cooler yet. He was talking about the latest AGESA not making a difference in temp.

I did receive mine though (FC140). Will be testing it on a 5950x this weekend.
Ups. Let’s compare notes. My D15 and the 5950X I intent to put underneath in a test bench X470 board next week. Mine will be a pure BIOS adaptation to maximum all core speed under Linux with respect to a decent power uptake. I aim for less than 65 degree C. It’s a dual boot so I can run a simple bench for a reference number.
 
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Display(s) Viewsonic VX2758-2KP-MHD
Case Phanteks Eclipse P400A
Power Supply Corsair HX750 CMPSU-750HX 750W 80 PLUS SILVER
Mouse Logitech G603
Keyboard Corsair K55 RGB
Software Windows 11 Pro
Do let us know how the new cooler performs when it arrives. Reviews for this model are scarce.
I'll post an update once I receive it. Might take a few weeks though. Hoping I see some measurable improvements.
 
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