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Hi Guys,

Recently built a new system, retiring my old Intel 2600k system after a long 9 year stint.

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Anyway, annoyingly Battle.net and a few other programs keep finding corrupt files on start up, which is becoming an issue. Additionally when running check disk the HDD flagged up errors as well as the SSD

I suspected the Ram on the system is unstable at the rated XMP profile 3200 initially. However since then I've updated the motherboard to 2607 and the problem still persists.

I've run Memtest86 twice (4 passes at a time) and Windows built in test 10 passes, neither are flagging up ram errors. Yet I reinstall applications only for the error to return
 
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Hi Guys,

Recently built a new system, retiring my old Intel 2600k system after a long 9 year stint.

Specs below:
Ryzen 9 3900x
Asus X570 TUF gaming
Corsair 3200MHZ CL16 1.35v
EVGA GTX1060 6GB
EVGA Supernova G2
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Windows 10 Pro


Anyway, annoyingly Battle.net and a few other programs keep finding corrupt files on start up, which is becoming an issue. Additionally when running check disk the HDD flagged up errors as well as the SSD

I suspected the Ram on the system is unstable at the rated XMP profile 3200 initially. However since then I've updated the motherboard to 2607 and the problem still persists.

I've run Memtest86 twice (4 passes at a time) and Windows built in test 10 passes, neither are flagging up ram errors. Yet I reinstall applications only for the error to return
Try upping the Ssoc voltage a fraction ,upto 1.15
 
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Yea, that's a ram issue. Oh Corsair... yikes.

Try upping the Ssoc voltage a fraction ,upto 1.15

Why? The chip doesn't need more soc, it can run that FCLK blind. The ram would need more juice if anything. OP, you're gonna have to massage that ram to find the right settings, ie. timing vs volts to get it to run. Blame corsair.
 

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Try upping the Ssoc voltage a fraction ,upto 1.15
I've just tried to add some voltage, thanks for the suggestion


Yea, that's a ram issue. Oh Corsair... yikes.



Why? The chip doesn't need more soc, it can run that FCLK blind. The ram would need more juice if anything. OP, you're gonna have to massage that ram to find the right settings, ie. timing vs volts to get it to run. Blame corsair.
It's Corsair LPX, I have seen now it's become the budget ram, I've checked these are Samsung B-die chips, any reason it wouldn't flag up errors in memtest etc? I have tried 1.39v ram, and even manually losened the settings which haven't improved the situation
 
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Windows corruption is usually the fault of unstable memory. MT86 is a great tool to start for brand new sticks; it's neither useful nor practical in frequent memory testing for purposes of memory overclocking. Run HCI Memtest with enough instances to fill up all your memory save for 1-2GB for Windows, and run it either to 400% completion on all the instances or overnight.

It won't be an FCLK issue, as it's only at 1600, which can be run on just 1.0V SOC in some cases. Exceeding 1.10V SOC usually is not only pointless but can be detrimental to IF stability.

It helps also to download Zentimings (on github, just a .zip not installer) and get a screenshot of all your timings, as well as find your current SOC voltage in HWInfo. Also, check your VDDP and VDDG (both VDDGs), should be at the bottom of the AI Tweaker tab in BIOS, then use Ryzen Master in Windows to verify those values. Even better would be to use Thaiphoon Burner to find out what your RAM chips actually are.

edit: B-die it is, then. Unfortunately, Corsair consistently ends up with some of the worst binned B-die. Sometimes, you can start with the Safe profile on DRAM calculator for A0/B0 or Bad Bin and pump extra voltage to make it work, because bad B-die still follows B-die rules and behaviour. Other times, your only option is to buy a different kit. Sad, but that's how Corsair is.
 
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Windows corruption is usually the fault of unstable memory. MT86 is a great tool to start for brand new sticks; it's neither useful nor practical in frequent memory testing for purposes of memory overclocking. Run HCI Memtest with enough instances to fill up all your memory save for 1-2GB for Windows, and run it either to 400% completion on all the instances or overnight.

It won't be an FCLK issue, as it's only at 1600, which can be run on just 1.0V SOC in some cases. Exceeding 1.10V SOC usually is not only pointless but can be detrimental to IF stability.

It helps also to download Zentimings (on github, just a .zip not installer) and get a screenshot of all your timings, as well as find your current SOC voltage in HWInfo. Also, check your VDDP and VDDG (both VDDGs), should be at the bottom of the AI Tweaker tab in BIOS, then use Ryzen Master in Windows to verify those values. Even better would be to use Thaiphoon Burner to find out what your RAM chips actually are.

On Thaiphoon - I have definitely got Samsung B-dies on both sticks (they were a pair)

CLDO VDDP - 0.900v
CLDO VDD - 1.05v/auto in bios (1.0477v in ryzen master)

The SOC voltage prior to adjusting was 1.10 - and set to auto in the bios

Below is the Zentimings, i've checked against ryzen master, and they appear to be consistent.

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Edit - Ram sticks are 8gb each not 16gb as this is reporting

I really appreciate everyone's help here and I will try and run the HCI memtest overnight.
 

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On Thaiphoon - I have definitely got Samsung B-dies on both sticks (they were a pair)

CLDO VDDP - 0.900v
CLDO VDD - 1.05v/auto in bios (1.0477v in ryzen master)

The SOC voltage prior to adjusting was 1.10 - and set to auto in the bios
Below is the Zentimings, i've checked against ryzen master, and they appear to be consistent.

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I really appreciate everyone's help here and I will try and run the HCI memtest overnight.

Holy hell, I gotta check for updates. That new Zentimings interface is slick! Still on 1.0.8 here.

Is your procODT on Auto? It's a tricky one because it's not really "high" or "low" or "right" or "wrong". If all else fails, you can play around with it to see if any particular setting helps, but it's a very trial-and-error process, may not help, and you might find an ideal setting in the middle of a sea of bad settings - there's no general suggestions to go off of. But yeah, it's something you can try if you can easily access the Clear CMOS jumper and nothing else solves the problem.

The timings don't look too bad. Geardown helps massively with stability, best to leave it as it is now.

"Bad" B-die can demand upwards of 1.4V just to run respectable 3200/3600 settings. If you have the airflow to always keep the sticks below 50C, it's your call whether you want to dial up the voltage. Personally though, more than 1.4V just for 3200 CL16 is pretty nonsensical for B-die, so if that's what you have to end up doing, may just want to get a new kit.

So I'm guessing that since they're 8GB sticks and low procODT, they're also single rank? Here's the Bad Bin recommendation for single rank 3200/16, but your XMP is already looser. You can give it a shot with manually entering the timings except for the last few from tRDWR-tCKE. tRFC you can just leave at what it is right now, it's loose enough.

Actually, just run HCI as it is right now. The Bad Bin recommendation doesn't look very helpful.

Also set SOC voltage to whatever you have to do to get it to read at or below 1.10V in Zentimings/HWInfo. You don't want to be above 1.1V at these speeds, higher is not always better.
 
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I've just tried to add some voltage, thanks for the suggestion



It's Corsair LPX, I have seen now it's become the budget ram, I've checked these are Samsung B-die chips, any reason it wouldn't flag up errors in memtest etc? I have tried 1.39v ram, and even manually losened the settings which haven't improved the situation

It doesn't matter if they're b-dies or not its the way they're put together. Corsair keeps messing this up. Every week there's another user with issues with their corsair ram, no joke.

Instead of raising the voltage, run the ram at a lower speed then work your way up.
 
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Got same board as OP but Zen+, that system should be booting up with everything on auto in bios & be stable as a rock, especially after updating bios. RMA that ram asap!
That is as a ridiculous situation!
 

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Holy hell, I gotta check for updates. That new Zentimings interface is slick! Still on 1.0.8 here.

Is your procODT on Auto? It's a tricky one because it's not really "high" or "low" or "right" or "wrong". If all else fails, you can play around with it to see if any particular setting helps, but it's a very trial-and-error process, may not help, and you might find an ideal setting in the middle of a sea of bad settings - there's no general suggestions to go off of. But yeah, it's something you can try if you can easily access the Clear CMOS jumper and nothing else solves the problem.

The timings don't look too bad. Geardown helps massively with stability, best to leave it as it is now.

"Bad" B-die can demand upwards of 1.4V just to run respectable 3200/3600 settings. If you have the airflow to always keep the sticks below 50C, it's your call whether you want to dial up the voltage. Personally though, more than 1.4V just for 3200 CL16 is pretty nonsensical for B-die, so if that's what you have to end up doing, may just want to get a new kit.

So I'm guessing that since they're 8GB sticks and low procODT, they're also single rank? Here's the Bad Bin recommendation for single rank 3200/16, but your XMP is already looser. You can give it a shot with manually entering the timings except for the last few from tRDWR-tCKE. tRFC you can just leave at what it is right now, it's loose enough.

Actually, just run HCI as it is right now. The Bad Bin recommendation doesn't look very helpful.

Also set SOC voltage to whatever you have to do to get it to read at or below 1.10V in Zentimings/HWInfo. You don't want to be above 1.1V at these speeds, higher is not always better.

procODT is set to Calculated safe from Ryzen master

I'll start using bad bin settings and read up about it, from a quick search people are recomending upto 1.5v for them.


It doesn't matter if they're b-dies or not its the way they're put together. Corsair keeps messing this up. Every week there's another user with issues with their corsair ram, no joke.

Instead of raising the voltage, run the ram at a lower speed then work your way up.
I'll probably swap out the ram if it won't run at 3200, pointless if a brand new system isn't stable at stock settings.

Ironically the supplier i bought my parts from stock only Corsair memory

If this persists I will return and buy something else, maybe crucial or g.skill from amazon.

Got same board as OP but Zen+, that system should be booting up with everything on auto in bios & be stable as a rock, especially after updating bios. RMA that ram asap!
That is as a ridiculous situation!
Did you have problems on another bios revision? if so was it 1407?
I am starting to wonder if my corruption is left over files from my days on 1407....
 
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I've just tried to add some voltage, thanks for the suggestion

It's Corsair LPX, I have seen now it's become the budget ram, I've checked these are Samsung B-die chips, any reason it wouldn't flag up errors in memtest etc? I have tried 1.39v ram, and even manually losened the settings which haven't improved the situation
Hi,
Very low bin likely
If really b-die use c14 timings 14-14-14-34 for 3200
Verify with this use Read.
Thaiphoon Burner - Official Support Website
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Hi,
Very low bin likely
If really b-die use c14 timings 14-14-14-34 for 3200
Verify with this use Read.
Thaiphoon Burner - Official Support Website
View attachment 167712

I am not sure i understand you correctly so apologies if i have it wrong, but my current XMP profile isn't stable, your timings look way more aggressive how will using your settings help? or are you saying apply your settings and if it errors it is bad memory?

Below I've got the confirmation mine are B-Die ram
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I am not sure i understand you correctly so apologies if i have it wrong, but my current XMP profile isn't stable, your timings look way more aggressive how will using your settings help? or are you saying apply your settings and if it errors it is bad memory?

Below I've got the confirmation mine are B-Die ram
View attachment 167723
Hi,
Yeah mine is just 3200c14 4x8gb kit, corsair often uses loose timings for some odd reason mine is a set of trident-z
There is also 3200c15 kits that use 15-15-15-35 I believe have to look it up so yeah I'd tighten up the timings a little bit seeing it's b-die should work fine.
Dimm voltage wise 1.35v should also be fine sometimes more voltage has a reverse effect especially at rated speed.

Also could try 16-16-16-36 same as a set of 3600c16 b-die uses but still use 3200
 
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Bad memory as in Corsair RAM concerning DDR4 has proven to be problematic.
I've seen issues over and over again and it seems each time they say "Corsair" when asked about what RAM sticks they are using.

RMA the Corsair set, get a set of G. Skills and call it a day.
 
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Hi,
Yep got a 4x4gb kit of corsair dominator 2666c15 same loose timings 15-17-17-35 won't run reliably at rated speed, 2 rma's later unopened box just need to sell it off.
 

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You know, the issue could be more simple than you think. I've seen corruption caused by a bad SATA cable. If there are DMA errors in SMART, then replace the cable with a new one and report back.
 

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24 hours later i have no signs of corruption, I will play some heavy games and see if apps suddenly do the same thing again. I assume it only starts screwing around under load.

Bad memory as in Corsair RAM concerning DDR4 has proven to be problematic.
I've seen issues over and over again and it seems each time they say "Corsair" when asked about what RAM sticks they are using.

RMA the Corsair set, get a set of G. Skills and call it a day.
I need to convince the supplier to refund me, I will give it a whirl if i get any more issues!



You know, the issue could be more simple than you think. I've seen corruption caused by a bad SATA cable. If there are DMA errors in SMART, then replace the cable with a new one and report back.
Thanks for the reply, Unfortunately I already tried this, currently using known good cables off the old system and no difference
 
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24 hours later i have no signs of corruption, I will play some heavy games and see if apps suddenly do the same thing again. I assume it only starts screwing around under load.

I need to convince the supplier to refund me, I will give it a whirl if i get any more issues!

Thanks for the reply, Unfortunately I already tried this, currently using known good cables off the old system and no difference
Hi,
If you succeed ask for 3200c14 kit :)
 

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Definitely! Although I may try a 32gb kit!
Hi,
This comes in handy finding product numbers to search for
 
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Hi,
This comes in handy finding product numbers to search for

Used to be a good list...two years ago. A lot of those kits are no longer made, or are now made with different ICs especially with the introduction of 8Gb CJR and Rev.E as well as the new 16Gb kits. Only stuff like 3200 14-14-14 and 3600 16-16-16 as well as high and tight 4000+ kits that no other IC can do, are still guaranteed to be B-die.

@Bo$$ a slightly unstable memory configuration (no GDM, occasional VDRAM drops) doesn't wreck a file a day. If you run it long term for at least 3-6 months with regular use, you're almost guaranteed to accumulate disk and file integrity errors, but just observing it for a day or two shouldn't elicit any symptoms.

Although I've not seen temperature-induced instability alone result in widespread corruption, remember that these are B-die. B-die is the only truly temperature-sensitive IC, and needs to kept below 50C at all times. With voltage between 1.4-1.5V, the thermal issue arises not during stress testing like Karhu/HCI/MT86, but instead during heavy gaming sessions, due to the intense heat off the back of the GPU easily heating up the sticks beyond how hot they can get in a pure RAM stress test.

Did you manage to do some testing with HCI?
 
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Quick reply of mine:
A) and this was just from reading the title of the thread : have you altered the base clock?
B) A glimpse scrolling I caught about programs set on running upon startup, I for one don't run the battlenet nor the steam one apps on startup , case specific.
 
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I need to convince the supplier to refund me, I will give it a whirl if i get any more issues!

I'd assume it doesn't work as advertised should suffice?

To give ya an idea of ram that works... I've got a set of OLOY 32gb 2x16gb DDR3200 sticks, two sets actually. I slap them into a 1600x system, flip the docp setting and they just work. These sticks were $99 for 2x16gb, dirt cheap for 6 months ago. That is working as advertised. What you have to do to get these crap Corsair sticks to work, they should be paying you for your time lol.
 

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Just started using the PC since yesterday.... Was verifying war-zone and updating CS:GO and bam another error!

Edit: I've tried 1.45v to no improvement. Could this be motherboard related?

Used to be a good list...two years ago. A lot of those kits are no longer made, or are now made with different ICs especially with the introduction of 8Gb CJR and Rev.E as well as the new 16Gb kits. Only stuff like 3200 14-14-14 and 3600 16-16-16 as well as high and tight 4000+ kits that no other IC can do, are still guaranteed to be B-die.

@Bo$$ a slightly unstable memory configuration (no GDM, occasional VDRAM drops) doesn't wreck a file a day. If you run it long term for at least 3-6 months with regular use, you're almost guaranteed to accumulate disk and file integrity errors, but just observing it for a day or two shouldn't elicit any symptoms.

Although I've not seen temperature-induced instability alone result in widespread corruption, remember that these are B-die. B-die is the only truly temperature-sensitive IC, and needs to kept below 50C at all times. With voltage between 1.4-1.5V, the thermal issue arises not during stress testing like Karhu/HCI/MT86, but instead during heavy gaming sessions, due to the intense heat off the back of the GPU easily heating up the sticks beyond how hot they can get in a pure RAM stress test.

Did you manage to do some testing with HCI?
I've got a Noctua NH-D14 on this CPU so i dont think I have an airflow issue and I can likely push 1.4v-1.5v without any heat issues. To be honest I've only got a GTX1060 so heat wont be too big an issue

I agree this is a ram issue, I am just struggling to make it fail any test which is what the company will do when RMAing it.

Will be trying HCI - do i need to run multiples of this overnight? I Saw another tool but paid to test all the ram in one go


Quick reply of mine:
A) and this was just from reading the title of the thread : have you altered the base clock?
B) A glimpse scrolling I caught about programs set on running upon startup, I for one don't run the battlenet nor the steam one apps on startup , case specific.
a. No overclock applied to the CPU, and I'm using the RAM at the specified XMP profile
b. I've never had an issue, but I tend to find problems with Battle.net/Origin/Steam as I typically game on this computer a lot.

I'd assume it doesn't work as advertised should suffice?

To give ya an idea of ram that works... I've got a set of OLOY 32gb 2x16gb DDR3200 sticks, two sets actually. I slap them into a 1600x system, flip the docp setting and they just work. These sticks were $99 for 2x16gb, dirt cheap for 6 months ago. That is working as advertised. What you have to do to get these crap Corsair sticks to work, they should be paying you for your time lol.

I will be doing something about this very soon. I have another kit of the exact same ram from a friend to try tomorrow.
 
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