OK I have another acquaintance who is wanting to build a real nice ATX gaming rig. Mainly playing AA3 and nothing will be used from his current rig except monitor, mouse, and keyboard. He would like a AMD cpu and a good ATI HD5870. Other than that he asked we just do not get stupid on the $. (no $300.00 cases no $500 cpus if you get my drift ) Basically a real nice single card AMD gaming rig to run Win7 is all he wants. Probably need to air cool but a simple WC kit option would be nice if I can get a price/parts list for it as well. He is no OCing fool but may a little at some point. I know quiet is something we all desire so keeping that in mind is good as well. Thanks again for any suggestions.