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Woohoo i love rants ... :laugh:

Is that what kills you , 32bit vs 64bit for gaming ...

What kills me , its that we spend 2000$ US for a computer , that the gaming industry do not care to make games for it .
The market just isn't ready yet. That is, the consumer base ready for 64-bit applications is still small.
 

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What a load of dung (not directed at FordGT)... no need for 64 bit applications? Gaming industry not supporting the hardware? I don't know about some people here but there is a huge market for 3D art and design. Hell digital art in general is a huge reason to have more than enough memory to encode, render, or design. As far as the gaming industry not being up to the pace of high end PCs I beg everyone to go back in time... sure some games really pushed the envelope and hardware took time to catch up, and once they did the market was satisfied for a while. Then other less innovative gaming companies would employ these winning techniques and make more of the same crap until another innovation was made. The tech market and the gaming market are two separate entities that don't ALWAYS move in sync. That being said what really motivates us to upgrade? Is it for the e-peen? Whatever the reason there is no reason for there to be an argument over a statement of satisfaction by one close minded consumer. There are consumers who honestly need all the power they can get, and wth I'm one of them. I don't want a rendering to take me any ammount of time. I want it to be in REAL TIME! There will be a day. It will be beautiful.
 

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Innovation in software usually means lower hardware requirements, not higher. You know, do more (or the same) with less. It's like processors. It's not innovative to double the number of transistors to get double the performance--it is innovative to double the performance of a processor with only 50% increase in transistor count.

An example of innovation can be found in Black and White 2 with the sun/sky. They made it look very realistic by using some simple rendering techniques. They accomplished something that looked great with very little in terms of hardware requirements.


That being said what really motivates us to upgrade? Is it for the e-peen?
Most are motivated by software changes (subject A installs software B on two decade old computer C and A complains B runs slow so A upgrades C :laugh:). There's a few that do it because their e-peen has more influence over decision making than their brain but software is still the majority.
 
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And here I am with 2GB of PC2-4300, man I need to upgrade soon.
 
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Nothin' like a good old chicken and egg debate.

I recommend 4gb of ram for any new 64-bit system build, regardless of what they're running on it. Mostly because ram is so cheap anyways, most people wouldn't notice. Partially because there's really no telling what the next "must-have" bit of software is going to come out. Typical users aren't going to need that extra ram for quite a while, but it sure ain't gonna hurt them. In the event that something comes out with a reason to use more, they'll be safe.

As for gamers and hardware enthusiasts (like the majority here), we're all ahead of the curve for the most part. The apps that we use are also ahead of the curve. Many games can eat up that first 2GB without really blinking an eye. Rendering 3d models, photoshop, video editing, virtual machines, even folding can utilize extra ram as well. Back in the day dual core processors were made to "DO MORE". Why should I close out my apps if I want to game? Most of the time I have a second monitor running performance monitoring, temp sensors, a web browser, and folding on my 2nd gpu. Thank GOD I have the 6GB of ram, because I watch it sneak up into the 5GB range rather often.

I understand the statement for the mainstream users of the world. No, they probably don't need 4GB of ram. But I do.
 

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IMO, 512mb of ram is fine for most systems that browse the web and do very mild gaming.
 
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What a load of dung (not directed at FordGT)..

Your load of dung , does not make you superior .

Who cares of what you have to say , if you are unable to participate in a dialog.
 

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Your load of dung , does not make you superior .

Who cares of what you have to say , if you are unable to participate in a dialog.

OMG, great quote. I'm gonna use it in my sig! Thanks! :D
 
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Your load of dung , does not make you superior .

Who cares of what you have to say , if you are unable to participate in a dialog.

What a load of dung (not directed at FordGT)... no need for 64 bit applications? Gaming industry not supporting the hardware? I don't know about some people here but there is a huge market for 3D art and design. Hell digital art in general is a huge reason to have more than enough memory to encode, render, or design. As far as the gaming industry not being up to the pace of high end PCs I beg everyone to go back in time... sure some games really pushed the envelope and hardware took time to catch up, and once they did the market was satisfied for a while. Then other less innovative gaming companies would employ these winning techniques and make more of the same crap until another innovation was made. The tech market and the gaming market are two separate entities that don't ALWAYS move in sync. That being said what really motivates us to upgrade? Is it for the e-peen? Whatever the reason there is no reason for there to be an argument over a statement of satisfaction by one close minded consumer. There are consumers who honestly need all the power they can get, and wth I'm one of them. I don't want a rendering to take me any ammount of time. I want it to be in REAL TIME! There will be a day. It will be beautiful.

You missed the rest of the post which brings up many good arguments and contribute to the dialogue. He was insulting the idea of 4GB not being enough ram, then gave his reasons why.
 
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IMO, 512mb of ram is fine for most systems that browse the web and do very mild gaming.

Umm right now my Win XP install is sucking up 544mb of memory with two internet browsers open and 34 background process's, I'd say 1GB at least for an internet machine.

EDIT: I killed steam, Tea timer, and EA Download manager and got it down to 420mb.

EDIT#2: I killed the two internet browsers and got it down to 309mb, I'd stilll recommend 1GB though.
 
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Umm right now my Win XP install is sucking up 544mb of memory with two internet browsers open and 34 background process's, I'd say 1GB at least for an internet machine.

EDIT: I killed steam, Tea timer, and EA Download manager and got it down to 420mb.

EDIT#2: I killed the two internet browsers and got it down to 309mb, I'd stilll recommend 1GB though.

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We don't have PC's to run as little as possible. :D

I can tell ya, working on client PC's, going into their homes and whatnot, people will have more erroneous junk sitting there running that you could imagine. I've gathered the mentality that people don't like closing things.
 
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This thread is ridiculous. Machine "A" does this, this and this and needs X amount of RAM. Machine "B" does this, some of that, and this and needs X amount of RAM. Blah, blah, blah. Different strokes for different folks. Different hardware configs for different systems. Once again. Blah, blah, blah.:rolleyes:
 
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This thread is ridiculous. Machine "A" does this, this and this and needs X amount of RAM. Machine "B" does this, some of that, and this and needs X amount of RAM. Blah, blah, blah. Different strokes for different folks. Different hardware configs for different systems. Once again. Blah, blah, blah.:rolleyes:

I know what your saying.:laugh:
 
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This thread is ridiculous. Machine "A" does this, this and this and needs X amount of RAM. Machine "B" does this, some of that, and this and needs X amount of RAM. Blah, blah, blah. Different strokes for different folks. Different hardware configs for different systems. Once again. Blah, blah, blah.:rolleyes:

I know what your saying.:laugh:

:laugh::roll:

But you started the thread! lolololol :D
 
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And he was strictly reffereing to gaming systems using Vista x64.
 

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We don't have PC's to run as little as possible. :D

I can tell ya, working on client PC's, going into their homes and whatnot, people will have more erroneous junk sitting there running that you could imagine. I've gathered the mentality that people don't like closing things.

My understanding is that people don't freaking read anything. They just click and expect things to work.

One girl I spoke to yesterday thought her computer was going to explode because I advised her to make a back up of her personal data and it's not my [companies] responsibility. I mean, WTF?!
 
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Im getting 6 GB so ill be future proofed and don't have to worry about upgrading for the next 12-18 months.
 

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Stalker takes a lot of ram according to Rivatuner as it was telling me it was going over the 4GB mark back when i used to play it..

Not sure about Supcom and i think they have fixed the memory issue that game had were it would keep taking ram till the game crashed.

So for most part i think too that 4GB is enough but 6GB is nice to have even more so as i boot from Vista x64 but mainly use XP x64.
 
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One girl I spoke to yesterday thought her computer was going to explode because I advised her to make a back up of her personal data and it's not my [companies] responsibility. I mean, WTF?!

She was right ... you do not know the amount of data that girls store this days :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Its enormous :p
 

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Not using the full 4gb's doesn't mean 6/8gb is not needed. Basically the more ram u have, the more the system will use as cache, thus speeding up ur pc. FYI, Graphics editing/Vista = 6GB-8GB is not overkill.
 
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I have 4 and wouldn't have it any other way. Multitasking is better IMO. Besides, 4GB is so cheap now why not? Same goes for 6-12GB's. Its cheap, get it while you can. E-Peen length FTMFW!
 
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Not using the full 4gb's doesn't mean 6/8gb is not needed. Basically the more ram u have, the more the system will use as cache, thus speeding up ur pc. FYI, Graphics editing/Vista = 6GB-8GB is not overkill.



Your exactly right. Everytime I've upped the amount of ram, vista uses more. Same with games. When I was playing crysis, at times it was using 5g. And plays sooooo smooth. Just because you have 4g and windows and apps are using a certain amount, doesn't mean it will use the same amount if you double your amount of ram.;)
 
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Need moar memory. It's caching 5 gigs as it is. :)

Not enough until it runs out of stuff to cache, imo.
 
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Display(s) 1x Samsung Odyssey G7 Neo and 1x Dell u2518d
Case Lian Li o11 DXL w/custom vented front panel
Audio Device(s) Focusrite Saffire PRO 14 -> DBX DriveRack PA+ -> Mackie MR8 and MR10 / Senn PX38X -> SB AE-5 Plus
Power Supply Corsair RM1000i
Mouse Logitech G502x
Keyboard Corsair K95 Platinum
Software Windows 11 x64 Pro
Benchmark Scores 31k multicore Cinebench - CPU limited 125w
Eh not to burst bubbles, I stuck 8gb in my machine about 2 weeks ago and playing supcom and well it was faster...... Probably the only game in existence that would use it though.
 
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