Noctua NH-D14 vs Liquid Cooling

[ZenZimZaliben]

Not to mention once you Invest in watercooling, you will have a watercooled PC for a long time, through many hardware changes. Only thing you may need to upgrade is a $3 bracket add/remove tubing. I have had the same pump and radiators since socket 939.

 

[PaulieG]

Not to mention once you Invest in watercooling, you will have a watercooled PC for a long time, through many hardware changes. Only thing you may need to upgrade is a $3 bracket add/remove tubing. I have had the same pump and radiators since socket 939.

VERY good point, though I can't help but upgrade my loop occasionally.

 

[TIGR]

Not to mention once you Invest in watercooling, you will have a watercooled PC for a long time, through many hardware changes. Only thing you may need to upgrade is a $3 bracket add/remove tubing. I have had the same pump and radiators since socket 939.

I've moved my S1283 from 775 to AM2+ to AM3 and soon it's going to 1156.

So, same.

 

[Binge]

@TIGR-The only way would to be able to explain to you the fundamentals of heat transfer, and I don't have the time. Get out a Thermodynamics text book, and check out the transfer properties of water, copper, and air. Then create a diagram and try and factor in some personal logic to see where the weaknesses of a transfer medium are overcome by design and engineering.

Quoting yourself and adding an emoticon won't satiate your curiosity, and it won't happen by demanding other people make observations for you. If you want an answer you can get behind then do it yourself. Otherwise you're going to look at a graph and take it at 1/10th the value of the information gathered in that test.

 

[lemode]

Fair enough. This is the only potential downside. However, if you follow certain steps, the risk is minimal. I'm OCD about my loops, so I triple check that everything is sealed and tight, and I use plubers tape on all my barbs. Then I run my loop away from components for 12 hours before I install it.

One day I will be able to do this...

I don’t trust myself as of now because my (soon to be ex) wife’s sh*thead antics cause me to drink some nights. And to tune her out, I work on pcs while she’s awake. Hopefully by the time the dust settles I can stop destroying my liver and focus on what the hell I’m doing!

 

[Binge]

Relax, and maybe eat a banana. The point is, you're entirely off the point of the thread. There is nobody here uneducated enough to claim air is more effective than water at transferring heat. No need for a intellectual pissing contest either; the thermal conductivity of copper, water, and air (at room temp) are 401, .67, and .026 W/m K respectively. Their specific heat capacities are .385, 4.181, and 1.005 kJ/kgK respectively. Knowing this and how it relates to PC cooling does not grant you the right to arrogance; it simply means you know what pretty much everyone else here knows.

Now, as far as demanding that other people make observations: if I never looked to others for observations, I would know nothing. The same goes for you. Guess what, I got the thermal conductivity and specific heat capacities above from a book! I didn't observe them myself. Have you measured them yourself or did you read about them somewhere? There are benchmarks and tests all over the Internet regarding the performance of various computer components. This thread is about finding out whether there is a recent one comparing the best air cooling setup with other air as well as liquid cooling configurations. Heck, toss in phase change and LN2, because I'd like to see how they all stack up.

If you don't like this thread, feel free to not post in it. And I highly recommend you eat that banana now. You're the only one getting riled up here.

Are you trying to get me worked up by accusing me of it? If you read what I wrote it makes sense. I'm telling you the steps to figure out the truth and to the letter of the law. Since my opinion based on fact wasn't enough then that's the way you go about figuring it out. Come on

 

[TIGR]

@TIGR-The only way would to be able to explain to you the fundamentals of heat transfer, and I don't have the time. Get out a Thermodynamics text book, and check out the transfer properties of water, copper, and air. Then create a diagram and try and factor in some personal logic to see where the weaknesses of a transfer medium are overcome by design and engineering.

Quoting yourself and adding an emoticon won't satiate your curiosity, and it won't happen by demanding other people make observations for you. If you want an answer you can get behind then do it yourself. Otherwise you're going to look at a graph and take it at 1/10th the value of the information gathered in that test.

It goes without saying that water can out-cool an air setup.

Relax, and maybe eat a banana. The point is, you're entirely off the point of the thread. There is nobody here uneducated enough to claim air is more effective than water at transferring heat. No need for a intellectual pissing contest either; the thermal conductivity of copper, water, and air (at room temp) are 401, .67, and .026 W/m K respectively. Their specific heat capacities are .385, 4.181, and 1.005 kJ/kgK respectively. Knowing this and how it relates to PC cooling does not grant you the right to arrogance; it simply means you know what pretty much everyone else here knows.

Now, as far as demanding that other people make observations: if I never looked to others for observations, I would know nothing. The same goes for you. Guess what, I got the thermal conductivity and specific heat capacities above from a book! I didn't observe them myself. Have you measured them yourself or did you read about them somewhere? There are benchmarks and tests all over the Internet regarding the performance of various computer components. This thread is about finding out whether there is a recent one comparing the best air cooling setup with other air as well as liquid cooling configurations. Heck, toss in phase change and LN2, because I'd like to see how they all stack up.

If you don't like this thread, feel free to not post in it. And I highly recommend you eat that banana now. You're the only one getting riled up here.

Edit: accidentally deleted this post while editing. It should be before Binge's last one. Binge, relax. You're not contributing and I won't reply to you again unless in a future post you have something useful to add to this thread.

 

[Binge]

You're totally right buddy. I'm not contributing a block diagram, charts, and graphs because I don't have the time. You, by saying,

'....a $150 liquid cooling setup had damn well better outperform an $80 air cooler; the question is, by how much?'

'....which leads us the the OP, where I'm looking for actual side-by-side tests.

All is relative, but some hard numbers would put them into perspective.'

admit that you want a method in which to find out an answer. I gave you the method now spend the money and figure it out. Nobody here wants to work that hard, and everyone who's used both water and high end air are speaking in relative terms of performance where good is good and better than good is variably better than good. Maybe you should check out http://martin.skinneelabs.com/ so you can learn how water systems are measured in efficiency. That will give you a good idea about how all of the parts in the loop transfer heat and how double the surface area of a water radiator is exponentially greater in cooling capacity than double the surface area of a stand alone copper/aluminum cooler.

 

[phanbuey]

1. yes it will outperform an h50. h50 is the lowest end watercooling you can possibly buy... next to the domino ALC.

2. it will not outperform a dual rad... it will get slaughtered, by how much depends on the chip and the heat that it puts out, as well as a plethora of other factors. But it will get creamed.

3. is it worth it? IMO If you're trying to get the max OC on a new intel quad (i7/i5 etc) then yes, if you're running a chip which is not limited by temps on the OC (like AMD phenom II's or anything dual core) then no.

 

[TIGR]

Binge: What I want is to see the results of testing. 99% of the good people here at TPU, including myself, don't have the money or time to buy and compare all the cooling setups we'd like to see tested. That's why we look at articles, benchmarks, and tests by others. Most of us, myself included, are well aware of how the various systems work. I realize it can be fun and satisfying to make condescending, disparaging remarks about the knowledge of others, and it helps mask your lack of ability to contribute anything relevant, but at the request of the OP, please don't clutter this thread with any more of it. I don't care how many posts or Thanks you have here or anywhere else; you're going to have to earn the status of a person with valuable ideas/information/thoughts to contribute, from square one, before I respond to you any further. So if you don't get responded to after this, now you know why.

phanbuey: thanks!

 

[johnnyfiive]

Just look at reviews of a NH-D14. There are plenty to read. Now, consider what a water cooled setup may consist of, performance will vary depending on parts used. Here is the easy answer.

In stock form the NH-D14 is the best air cooling solution available. It will cost you $90+ when you factor in shipping. You can take a lapped TRUE, that has a lapped CPU, with two 2,000RPM fans and I bet it will perform very similar to a stock NH-D14 setup.

Now factor what I typed above to a water setup. It varies from setup to setup. <---- thats the answer BTW
If you want concrete, factual data, Google or Bing (that varies too) up comparisons and formulate you're own conclusion. Unless someone has both a NH-D14, a water setup, and plenty of time to do all this work for you, I don't think anything anyone else says is going to satisfy you.

 

[Kantastic]

I have to wonder because D14 and Venomous X performance vary between different reviews, so which one is ultimately better?

 

[johnnyfiive]

lol... stop it kan, you're adding rocket fuel to this pink fire.

 

[Binge]

Binge: What I want is to see the results of testing. 99% of the good people here at TPU, including myself, don't have the money or time to buy and compare all the cooling setups we'd like to see tested. That's why we look at articles, benchmarks, and tests by others. Most of us, myself included, are well aware of how the various systems work. I realize it can be fun and satisfying to make condescending, disparaging remarks about the knowledge of others, and it helps mask your lack of ability to contribute anything relevant, but at the request of the OP, please don't clutter this thread with any more of it. I don't care how many posts or Thanks you have here or anywhere else; you're going to have to earn the status of a person with valuable ideas/information/thoughts to contribute, from square one, before I respond to you any further. So if you don't get responded to after this, now you know why.

phanbuey: thanks!

TIGR- Why would I have linked you martin's liquid lab if I wasn't trying to meet some sort of compromise to explain the information I presented in previous posts? You should check out the link. Martin, created that site in order for people to understand water cooling and it's effectiveness by making it comparable to ANY cooler benchmark. His tests/recorded results give YOU the means to make informed observations when looking at the results of others and how to form your own. You would learn a lot, and I sense that you're taking a lot of what's being said and reading it with undue inflection. I hope you know nothing I said was meant to demean you. It's really hard to get the point across without being blunt, so that's all the explanation I have for my actions and enjoy the info @ martin's and the framework I've given you to make your own observations. If you happen to record anything useful along the way don't make the same mistakes I did and keep the info disorganized. For some reason folks like charts

 

[Kantastic]

lol... stop it kan, you're adding rocket fuel to this pink fire.

I'm oblivious to all arguments on this forum. When I get sick of it I'll hit the report button a few times and go on with my quest for knowledge here @ TPU.

 

[TIGR]

Lol sorry guys, I already decided to stop reading (much less replying to) said argument. Honest to god, I was trying to be fair, mature, and objective ... and not too serious.

But Kantastic, you bring up a good point; the discrepancies between reviews beg a larger, carefully done test. Someone posted a rather comprehensive on air coolers recently, but it'd be nice to see more options included, from entry level to top end. I posted this topic because after seeing roundups of 80 types of TIM, dozens of CPU coolers, etc. who knows what else is out there that I haven't found....

 

[johnnyfiive]

I just found the answer for you TIGR.
http://artofmanliness.com/2010/02/08/the-world-belongs-to-those-who-hustle/

 

[TIGR]

Edit: nvm.

 

[johnnyfiive]

I hope everyone is reading that article and learns to hustle.

 

[phanbuey]

I hope everyone is reading that article and learns to hustle.

I will start hustling after I play mass effect 2.

 

[assaulter_99]

I will start hustling after I play mass effect 2.

A little off course, just finished ME2, this game is truely worth it, its just awesome, especially the last 30 mins! Its like some kinda sci fi movie. Pity I didn't play the first one . I won't miss the 3rd one though!

 

[TIGR]

You can go off course as much as you like lol, this topic is officially derailed.

 

[assaulter_99]

You can go off course as much as you like lol, this topic is officially derailed.

Feels kinda strange, a thread starting with noctua v/s WC ending up discussing about mass effect...

 

[TIGR]

So how bout that Superbowl?

(kidding)

 

[assaulter_99]

ok lets just mix it up then, why not the effect of superbowl on geeks? Kidding too!