Noctua Presents NA-TPG1 Thermal Paste Guard for AMD AM5

[zlobby]

This IHS design is a compromise that shouldn't happened. They've (AMD) earned so much consumer points for compatibility already, might've tried something new for a change. I mean, it's a completely new platform, all parts (CPU, MB, RAM) are already way too much expensive, so why the hell did they bogged down the thermals just for the sake of a damn compatibility? Someone has the money for the AM5 upgrade, but will cheap out on a CPU cooler by reusing the old one? WTH AMD!?

I'm sure someone will then have said 'Hey, if AMD made the IHS 1.5mm thicker we wouldn't need a whole new cooling and mounting solution!'

 

[Jism]

but der8auer has clearly demonstrated that AMD made a huge mistake:

AMD has the best engineers running around and you dont think they know what they do and why certain design choices are done?

Lets make the AM4 coolers compatible for a change. It helps with the tons of E-waste. No need to design a new cooler (or bracket) for that instance now.

Or perhaps the chip, components are sensitive to sudden changes in temperature (expand retract) and with a thicker IHS the problem is'nt so there no more. Any higher end Intel suffers the same or even higher temperatures (100 degrees).

They designed the chip to run that hot. It is inevitable if you consider the amount of transistors on such a small space. It becomes more difficult to cool the smaller things become.

There's tests showing zero difference in between a 360mm AIO cooler vs a simple air cooler. The boost will still stay the same. You are not losing performance.

 

[vmarv]

AMD has the best engineers running around and you dont think they know what they do and why certain design choices are done?
Lets make the AM4 coolers compatible for a change. It helps with the tons of E-waste. No need to design a new cooler (or bracket) for that instance now.
Or perhaps the chip, components are sensitive to sudden changes in temperature (expand retract) and with a thicker IHS the problem is'nt so there no more. Any higher end Intel suffers the same or even higher temperatures (100 degrees).
They designed the chip to run that hot. It is inevitable if you consider the amount of transistors on such a small space. It becomes more difficult to cool the smaller things become.
There's tests showing zero difference in between a 360mm AIO cooler vs a simple air cooler. The boost will still stay the same. You are not losing performance.

Of course they know that the chip runs hot with that thicker IHS and they decided that is ok to have it running like that. This doesn't mean that it's the best for the customer and for performance. They did it only to allow some (not even all) AM4 coolers to be compatible with the new socket.

Apparently now a cpu that runs hot is better than one that grants the same performance with lower temps and less power consumption. Sure...
How about efficiency? To reduce the E-Waste they decided to increase temps, power consumption and CO2? Brilliant strategy to save the planet.

 

[Jism]

It's really still the same heat output. If you dont like it you can always run into ECO mode or simply limit the CPU's maximum power consumption. And it stays perfectly within that constraint.

 

[vmarv]

Will see when AMD will polish the software that controls the new chips.
If I'm not wrong the ECO modes aren't available yet, but one has to fiddle around with the bios to make the cpu behave like that.

If the eco modes reduce the base frequency of the cores during heavy multithreading tasks, like rendering, there will be a reduction in performance, inevitably. And this is why having the cpu to run cooler at stocks, but granting the same performance would be a better option: because there will be more room for performance tweaks.
Anyway, I don't have the money to buy the Ryzen 9, so not really a problem for me. I wish it was.
Peace guys.

 

[SL2]

During the Zen 4 launch there was a slide showing that AM4 cooler compatibility was a key feature of Ryzen 7000 processors (see the slide below) so it was a deliberate choice.

We don't know all their reasons, and it's easy to question their decisions when the result is less than satisfactory.

Making the IHS thicker was part of that choice because due to the AM5 LGA socket the CPU sits slightly lower than it did with AM4.

You clearly didn't read my whole post, as I suggested that the height difference could have been compensated in the socket instead.
When I said the socket could have been higher I meant the socket:

If the plastic pillars that form part of the standard hook type fitting had been reduced in height to allow a thinner IHS there would have been a risk that AM4 coolers would not have enough tolerance to fit correctly.

This has nothing to wo with my post?

An adapter would have solved this issue but that simply solves one problem by replacing it with another.

Well, AMD did the exact same thing by using that thick lid: solving one problem by replacing it with another.

 

[Hofnaerrchen]

Let's get us one thing straight. Who is a professional or not. A professional internet diva, tech journalist, whos earning money with this? Or or a engineer, a manufacturer official and dev sitting behind the desk and don't giving a F* about anything and just making his stuff?

No internet tech diva is really a pro. Just give the man the right tools, instruments and review items, you can make anyone a diva or Jesus with a freaking opinion. That counts also for Igors lab, whose articles often caused my eyebrows rise, also the toxic competition between der8auer that ends up as a circus.

professional: adjective, relating to work that needs special training or education; having the qualities that you connect with trained and skilled people, such as effectiveness, skill, organization, and seriousness of manner; used to describe someone who does a job that people usually do as a hobby; or having the type of job that is respected because it involves a high level of education and training.

I think everything that the Cambridge Dictionary states is the case here. But I am not here to defend another person, Mr. Wallossek's work speaks for himself and based on that I doubt he just is what you call an internet diva or tech journalist (makes you look like someone that sees the job of a journalist in a depreciative manner) and even if the latter was the case: It's good educated journalists most of us get/should get their information from. That's also the reason people like you and me visit pages like - just an example^^ - techpowerup.

Apart from this I doubt there really is a "toxic competition" between Roman (also not just a "simple" youtuber without proper background) and Igor at all. Looks more like a well thought over behaviour that's generating attention for both of them - at least in your case it did work. If I had to guess: Maybe you just are missing the language skills understand what's going on between them.

 

[nico_80)]

use nail polish on those caps done.

 

[Mussels]

Turns out AMD could have used lower default settings, but did an intel to win in benchmarks

7900x can be happily tuned to run at under 100W

8% performance loss in MT, but he ran a -100MHz PBO offset - there would definitely be in-between settings like a 120W target that would shrink that

 

[Dirt Chip]

Turns out AMD could have used lower default settings, but did an intel to win in benchmarks

I`v said it before- we are in underclock contacts days. Overclock contrast are over because on "average" (take 100K cpus, find the best stable OC for all of them, set it as stock) every new cpu is max-out stright from the box by the manufacturer.
In that regard, Intel\AMD made us a "great service" by maximizing performance so you dont need to del with OC yourself. But it got too far and one must underclock to get a resenably operating CPU (and GPU as well).

Next up: NVMe underclock

 

[SL2]

Turns out AMD could have used lower default settings, but did an intel to win in benchmarks

AMD could have done it with some of the CPU's that's for sure, but to overcome the variations in the silicon lottery, and without having to put to much resources on fine tuning, they were forced to bump up by a fair margin.

Here's a good example of what you can get if the silicon lottery is kind to you.

A 31 degrees drop while only losing 14 MHz, although that's not what to expect from every CPU, obviously. (Yes, I've posted this before, together with links)

 

[Mussels]

That's a good example of what *needs* to be worked on.

AMD can definitely tune default PBO settings in AGESA updates, when they have that much room to spare.